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Date Posted: 23:36:42 07/12/00 Wed
Author: hp
Subject: Re: Click!
In reply to: Remington 's message, "Right hand grip-Peter read this" on 14:28:00 07/11/00 Tue

> Several of us have been using single axis for several
> years, and have gotten better. However, as I have
> posted in the past, I lacked that ease of execution
> that Moe has. In fact, today at lunch, one of my
> golfing buddies made the point that people like Moe
> could hit 600 balls in a day (try to hit 200!!)
> because they had mastered the proper swing mechanics,
> and swinging the club was easier than it is for you
> and me. I buy that argument.
> I think many of us go back and forth between IMA and
> NG, but I, for one, am constantly amazed at the ease
> of execution that Moe showed.
> Peter and I have been going back and forth on this,
> and Peter has defined a most logical pulling
> explanation to the swing, a viewpoint shared by many
> NGCIs. I understood why Peter was going in that
> direction, but my instincts told me that it was a pure
> pusher's swing because of the body positions.
> However, we both became intrigued by the idea of what
> was happening on the drawback. Obviously, Moe was
> cocking those wrists, and he had to be doing it by
> setting the club behind the ball, essentially leaving
> the left arm there, in place, and pulling back the
> left wrist, by curling the right bicep. In other
> words, by pulling back the club, with the right hand,
> it would cock the wrist of the left hand.
> Further, in the Journeyman tapes, you can just see
> that right hand come flying off the right shoulder,
> and you just have the gut feeling that Moe isn't
> pulling that hand away from the shoulder.
> Then, there is the whole business of the tray
> position, and the elbow in front, and that JUST HAS TO
> BE EFFECT. It has to be caused by another causal move.
> Lastly, on this journey, I was executing, at times,
> perfectly, but I didn't understand what I was doing
> differently. Sometimes, I would go to the range, and
> just drill everything to perfection.
> Peter, I think, for me, this is the FINAL nail in the
> coffin. I was close before, but no cigar. In fact, I
> described this to you once before, without realizing
> the importance.
> I put the left hand on the club, in the fingers, or
> more in the palm, makes no difference to me, and my
> thumb pretty much goes on the top of the club. Then,
> I put the club several inches behind the ball to grip
> the right hand. This is important. Do it like Moe
> did it. Grip the left hand, and put the clubhead
> several inches behind the ball FIRST, and, then, grip
> the right hand.
> Where we are all going wrong is with the right hand
> grip. With the club positioned several inches behind
> the ball, the right hand fits more under the club,
> which is what Moe did, before he met Jack. Grip the
> right hand almost as far under the shaft as with the
> Heard grip. With the Heard grip the thumb would
> actually be on the right side of the shaft; don't go
> quite that far. You will figure it out. Or, you can
> do, as I wrote earlier, and take an overlapping grip
> (position the grip with the clubhead several inches
> behind the ball), and the overlapping grip will be WAY
> Now, the backswing is, in fact, a curling of the right
> forearm, and a delivery of the right forearm and hand,
> and notice that you have that whacking motion that was
> missing fron your swing before. Notice that the elbow
> is in front, and the tray position happens
> automatically, all because of the grip of the right
> hand. Lastly, notice how easy it is to keep the back
> of the lefthand flat to the left arm.
> Eureka.
> Remington

Remington...I read your post last night and it immediately said something to me...got to hit balls today with this in mind and it just fell into place, everything...as long as I've been playing (35+), I've never hit irons as well as today...by that I mean long and easy (not loose easy, snug easy)...like a damn spring!

I had started this whole SA using curl the right arm up and was doing it but something never felt quite right and I wasn't consistent...I had previously tried HSS and didn't like the fact that there wasn't a hit...went to SA and the right hand did get more on top (I don't know why, maybe Scotts influence,tape)...but with the right as you describe, it became, as you say, a casual move, the whole thing from the start...thank you, hp

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  • Re: Remington, you should feel vindicated. -- Doug, 13:06:50 07/13/00 Thu
  • Re: Remington, you should feel vindicated. -- Remington, 21:42:06 07/13/00 Thu
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