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Date Posted: 22:51:56 08/12/03 Tue
Author: The Serpent
Subject: Re: Kind of hard to say it's not.
In reply to: Drummond 's message, "Okay, but what if it's not punishment?" on 21:12:53 08/11/03 Mon

If torture was pragmatic then, why was it outlawed in the first place? What I'm seeing here is a simple, quick, and easy solution to a much more complicated problem. Besides the shady details of 9/ll, the way we continue to treat people around the world [i.e. the mid-east], sanctions (military bases, etc.), bombings, slave camps, sweatshops (that would make Jack Leanne sick), using foreign land as our own little battle fields, radiation we leave behind, etc.. You'd think we'd want to clean all that up first before we considered torture, right? Well, besides that, we've already got soldiers capturing so called terrorists and sending them off to Guantanamo Bay, where I believe Amnesty International has already reported some human rights violations such as torture. So, you're taken away from your family on account that you might be a terrorist, and then tortured, and that's going to make you suddenly want to narc for the FBI? Remember the Daryl Cherney and Judi Bari case? If you combined that with Homeland Security, and decriminalized torture, the FBI would have more than likely won that case. Now, with Homeland Security, people dressed in boxed turtle outfits and peaceful sit-in's could [by Homeland definition] make you a domestic terrorist. Do we want all that torture to come along with it? Hell, do we really want Homeland Security? You seem to be acutely aware of politics today. How on earth can you sit there and defend it when there are so many other solutions including a change in foreign policy that would more than likely save lives?

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