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Date Posted: Tue, Sep 08 2009, 22:00:43 PDT
Author: CR Vets
Subject: PSF/DUP STORMONT ROW

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McGUINNESS AND ROBINSON AT LOGGERHEADS 09/08/09 14:16 EST

A row has broken out between Sinn Fein and the DUP after NI
First Minister Peter Robinson said he wants to change the
way the assembly makes decisions as soon as possible.

Mr Robinson said ending the veto that parties can exercise
is as important as devolving policing and justice powers.

He was speaking at a conference in Belfast's Ulster Hall.

But deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness accused the
first minister of returning from his Florida holiday
suffering from sunstroke and spending "too much time at
Disneyland".

It is understood the speech delivered by Mr Robinson was not
the speech cleared by Mr McGuinness's office last week.

Instead of the three-page speech which underscored the
achievements of devolution, Mr Robinson gave an address as
DUP leader.

The first minister signalled there could be a delay in
transferring policing and justice powers due to problems
around finance.

He added there was no need to wait until 2015 to change
voting rules and end community designation.

"The St Andrews Agreement provides for a review of
arrangements by 2015 but we should address problems when
they exist and not await an arbitrary date," he said.

Mr Robinson said: "It is not always going to be possible to
reach an accommodation and as a result of our voting system
a failure to agree means deadlock - this has been the case
on a number of issues," he said.

Mr Robinson was speaking at a conference entitled "How can
devolved government deliver for citizens", also attended by
former Scottish first minister Jack McConnell.

However, Mr McGuinness said: "Peter's proposals appear to be
some attempt to create the conditions where other parties
can gang up on Sinn Fein, that will not be allowed to happen."

"The propositions expressed by the DUP leader are fantasy
politics."

Mr Robinson told delegates that the abolition of community
designation - the system by which assembly members are
categorised as unionist, nationalist or other - was at the
heart of proposals which his party will publish in greater
detail later this month.

"As a consequence of this, new voting arrangements for the
Assembly and the Executive will be required," he said.

"As a moral and practical matter, community designation is
fundamentally flawed. It is deeply undemocratic, it
entrenches community division and hinders the development of
normal politics in Northern Ireland and in practice means
that the votes of all Assembly members are not equal."

The Stormont voting system - created by the Good Friday
Agreement - effectively hands those who control most
unionist or most nationalist votes a veto over any
initiative and was meant to act a guarantee to either side,
thereby ending years of unionist domination in the North.

Mr Robinson acknowledged this was an initial safeguard but
said there were other ways to provide community confidence.

He said the DUP was proposing the introduction of weighted
majority voting.

"Where a cross-community vote is required by legislation or
triggered by a petition of concern, a proposal would require
the support of 65% of Assembly members present and voting to
pass," he said.

Mr Robinson said this would mean "that no single political
party would have the capacity to block proposals which
otherwise could command widespread support".

Mr Robinson reached out to the Ulster Unionists and SDLP,
promising them more consultation ahead of Executive meetings.

He criticised the approach of these parties to date and the
way they have handled Executive business, suggesting they
had been "less than responsible" in their approach.

He said he would consider offering unanimity over decisions
at the Executive table.

Mr Robinson is also seeking changes to the Ministerial Code
which would require the first and deputy first minister
within a "reasonable period" to table and permit a vote at
the Executive on a matter proposed by any minister.

On the issue of policing and justice, he warned that the
transfer of these powers could be delayed if the British
government maintains its present position on funding.

"The people of Northern Ireland would not thank us if we
took on functions which are not properly funded and then be
forced to divert funds from health and education to meet the
shortfall," he said.

SDLP deputy leader Alasdair McDonnell said Mr Robinson's
comments "regarding how he and his cohorts in Sinn Fein
conduct Executive meetings demonstrate that our criticism
has been entirely justified".

"In the wider community there is a steady growing sense of
disappointment at the quality of devolved government with
little policy innovation, poor prioritisation, no real
decisions and no real delivery."

Ulster Unionist deputy leader Danny Kennedy questioned
whether Mr Robinson's plans to give his party and the SDLP a
greater role in Executive business was "an admission we
haven't had the role we should have had".

He said the DUP's plan to abolish community designation
"looks suspiciously like the DUP trying to change the rules
because, having examined their performance in the Euro
election, they fear that their vote will continue to
collapse and that Sinn Fein will emerge as the largest party".
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