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Subject: Re: one more thing


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sammy
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Date Posted: 15:28:28 12/16/02 Mon
In reply to: sammy 's message, "Re: one more thing (longest one yet)" on 19:46:05 12/14/02 Sat

Regarding Bush: It sucks that I didn’t think of this the first time. I thought of it a couple hours after my post on Dec. 14, but I wanted to wait and see how you might respond. However, I want to say it now, since I’ll probably forget it if I wait any longer – In what way does Bush leaving the race issue alone at Bob Jones defend him from my charges? I think it only serves to damn him, since, if he was there to appeal to the religious right (as you claim) and he did not endorse the University’s practices regarding race (as you also claim), then why did he not speak out AGAINST the University’s policies at the time? Why not say something along the lines of, “I’m here to appeal to this crowd on the basis of its deeply held religious beliefs. I feel that Christianity has lost much of its importance in modern day politics, and my candidacy is based on an effort to shift more focus to the good that comes from religion, in society. That is why I have proposed that federal funds be used to support faith-based programs in our communities. In coming here today, I hoped to appeal to you all on those grounds. However, I do not, in any way, support this University’s current ban on interracial dating. I think such a policy is counter to everything this nation stands for, blah blah blah” – You know, something like that. Obviously, saying something like that would have turned off many in the audience, which would have meant less votes in the SC primary. As I see it, there are only two ways of looking at his actions in choosing to speak at Bob Jones University: one, Bush was truly there to speak to the religious right, and in doing so, he saw a clear difference between reaching out to the religious right and reaching out to racists, in which case my post today applies; or two, Bush was concerned about recently losing the NH primary to McCain and he decided to play into the long-acknowledged Republican “Southern Strategy” (a term coined by Nixon, I believe, and described by Krugman in my post on Dec. 13), in which case my post from Saturday night applies. So, if you are trying to defend his visit to Bob Jones by saying that he “left the race issue alone,” I leave it to you to respond to my last post on Saturday, as well as this one today, since I believe the points brought up in this post have added a crucial element to my original argument from Saturday night.

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Dan
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Date Posted: 10:39:07 12/17/02 Tue

So my internet is finally working at a tolerable speed again. Our argument really boils down to just this: is the Republican party by its nature and leadership a racist party? We have agreed Trent Lott did wrong and has to go. We have agreed that racists do not belong in any leadership positions. We seem to disagree as to whether the party chose them FOR their racist views - either overtly or subtly. Until a few weeks ago no one ever questioned Trent Lott on his views of race. Looking back, there was a pattern, but not an overt one. If anyone had suspected of these views he would have never gained the power he had. That is my firm belief. Maybe that is a naive view, but in either case there will be some serious housecleaning throughout the party. If not by choice, then by political necessity. That is good, there is some housecleaning that needs to be done. But, I will stand by the belief that there is no intent to build any racist beliefs into the platform or political base of the Republican party.

I know I did not answer any of your questions in this, but with all the finals this week I've lost most of my mental functioning. Three more days......

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