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Date Posted: 07:44:42 05/19/02 Sun
Author: OTWB
Subject: There ARE some things that can't be spun, and that last five minutes on Friday, Roger played it for ALL he was worth. It took my breath away, not totally unexpected, but it really was intense. When Roger wants you to know something about Todd, he is talented enough to make it REAL. BTW, before Cabbie takes yet another spin on the T&B wheel... click
In reply to: Llanviewer 's message, "I get it completely Lafaux. It can be denied -but Todd was doing some major jonesin' for Blair. That's what one of the major aspects of the storyline this week -no spinning needed." on 10:45:13 05/18/02 Sat

I do NOT think that the baby lie was an act of love. It was also an act of making sure that there was no one in the Manning pack but his own spawn. It was selfish, and it was VERY animalistic, almost territorial. I didn't think it was out of his realm to do such a thing, shocking that it was to some.

Todd definitely LOVES Blair, but he does it in his own way, and Blair knows it. She also loves him, but she is showing ME that she's STRONG enough to walk away from something that is so destructive to her. I don't see sacrificing oneself as an act of love as much as I see it as an act of SELF-DESTRUCTION and pointless OBSESSION. It's also an act of FOOLISH ARROGANCE to be sure that YOUR LOVE can "save" anyone, it just doesn't work that way, IMHO.

I may love Todd and Blair as a couple, but I also can really relate to that kind of pain. Down deep inside, I'm not sure that I'd have it any other way for her.

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[> [> [> [> [> But the fact is that BOTH sides ARE spinning it. I saw alot of things fly across Roger's face. I'm a T&B'er and I WANTED to see what all the other T&B'ers saw...but I didn't. Actually I did, but I ALSO saw a bunch of shit I DIDN'T want to see...do I ignore that stuff and only concentrate on the stuff that's good for my couple? I still say that RH (and GT) played it so that BOTH sides could get what they wanted out of it. And the ensuing arguments about what we all saw is part and parcel......either way we are coming back for more, which is what they want. -- ladyday, 12:48:59 05/19/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Uh uh, not this T&B fan... -- Aipar, 13:08:01 05/19/02 Sun

Only if it's revealed that Troll has a nefarious plan will I stick around. Another round of TnT vs Blair for custody is NOT what I call must see tv. I saw nothing ambigous about the most important moment of Friday's show- Todd's look when he saw Blair had come back. He WANTS Blair back and if he goes seeking Troll it's only because he can't have Blair. And as a T&Ber that gave up a long time ago on my couple, I thank GT for making that clear. It doesn't matter how much he teases both fanbases because he already answered the burning question...who's Todd's FIRST choice? Blair. IMO, that's ALL that matters now.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Since we know T&B are a dead issue and Tea's only around for a few more episodes (*WAAAA!!* she's so much fun) it's all rather a moot point now. Still, one essential fact remains...T&B did (quite a few times) TnT didn't and we may never find out why, leaving this an open ended discussion/debate/brawl. -- Candy's new motto."He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day", 13:15:28 05/19/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> I agree ladyday. I saw some things I didn't like and some that I really did. Click -- Lou, 13:43:59 05/19/02 Sun

I did concentrate on the aspects I liked of course. But I saw Todd relieved and happy that Blair was back. That doesn't thrill me, but it gives respect to T&B and their fans. Plus I saw Todd affected by Téa's words to him which did please me.

If both fanbases are pleased at the end of Todd story arc I say we send GT as a special emmisary to the Middle East....LOL


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Not a bad idea Lou..Might be a tiny problem with the slapstick comedy act though, neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians strike me as having a great sense of humor. -- Candy, 13:58:06 05/19/02 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> True Candy... -- Lou, 14:49:58 05/19/02 Sun

Alas! Neither has had much to laugh about lately.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> You just have to take the good with the bad. No, we're not going to like everthing we see, but the bad kind of spinning occurs when you go to the absurd to try and explain it, I think. -- OTWB, 14:31:39 05/19/02 Sun

>I did concentrate on the aspects I liked of course.
>But I saw Todd relieved and happy that Blair was back.
>That doesn't thrill me, but it gives respect to T&B
>and their fans. Plus I saw Todd affected by Téa's
>words to him which did please me.
>
>If both fanbases are pleased at the end of Todd story
>arc I say we send GT as a special emmisary to the
>Middle East....LOL


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> The age old question... -- Lou, 14:47:50 05/19/02 Sun

Who gets to say what's bad spin and what isn't?


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I can think of a few examples, but refuse to get into it, lest we lose track at the topic at hand. The biggest problem for me in most of it is when winning your point is bigger than what's actually on the screen. At one point or another, I'll look at some of these "abusdities" and see the old, "It could happen" thing and I think to myself, "yeah, pigs could fly out your ass too," but why would they go there? It has to be based on something that at least resembles the story on the screen. Not a big requirement for most, but too big for some. -- OTWB, 15:30:52 05/19/02 Sun

>Who gets to say what's bad spin and what isn't?


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Generally, when I see something that hits me like that, I don't even bother answering to it, because likely you'd have to get just as absurd to answer to it.... I generally just LMAO, and click on the next post. -- OTWB, 15:33:28 05/19/02 Sun

>>Who gets to say what's bad spin and what isn't?


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