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Date Posted: 22:57:14 05/17/03 Sat
Author: Shadowed Sins
Subject: This is not ranting, only voicing an opinion
In reply to: Katie 's message, "Jen, I have never read such bollocks in my life. Stop trying to make DG look as chilldish as you." on 18:32:30 05/16/03 Fri

Listen. My post was a matter of sheer opinion. Not here to blast anyone to hell over it. What few who seemed to take such a great offense need to stop and think for a bit. I never bashed DG for any of this. Nor anyone else for that matter.

Actually, I was upset at seeing everyone fighting over the decision if the Shrine should remain up or not. If I was bashing her, I wouldn't have said in my message that I *hate* to see her upset. There are no "bollocks" about what I said. It's only mere truth and agreement to what a lot of people were voicing about this entire ball of shit. What cannot be denied is that this situation has indeed grown old and moldy. Chaos you're right, this is one morbid, dead horse. It just needs to be let to rest.

Fed up: I agree that I have caused some people to have a low opinion of me, and that is my own problem. I can say the same that I've had a low opinion of some people before, but that's changed. Learning to understand someone when they're willing to change is one step to heightening one's regard about another. I can/am changing, so maybe you'll be able to gain a higher opinion of me later on.

Also. I am not trying to tell the mods what to do. Isn't my place. Just merely agreeing with what other people said about keeping the MIL and war problem off of here.

Katie: Please. We don't need to yell. Can't we keep it civil? Everyone has asked, including me that everyone not fight and I believe everyone would like to see that happen. I ask you, if you have any complaints with me, please take it to e-mail or PM me on PR? It would be greatly appreciated.

Also, Thanks Leto. I am glad you've decided to give me the benefit of the doubt. It's nice to see that you're willing to give me a change. I really take that very highly. You're really a good person, like a lot of other people here, after all. ^^;;

As with the shrine. It's been handled. DG and I discussed it and decided to leave it up as long as none of my new material, I.E. fics, RPs etc get posted. She has also agreed to allow me to post a little blurb containing a message telling how I've changed and things to the sort so my rep with MIL isn't further continued. I feel this is fair and if things get out of control with the Shrine, DG and I have agreed to handle it. No worries.

With that said. I hope we can all just resume being friends. Even though we all don't see eye to eye, I would just like to see this humble board resume to the way it was and all just have fun. If we can do that, then maybe I'll hang around.

In truth, I do like this board, and some of the people. It would be nice to join in on the excitement that goes on here. ^-^;;

-Shadowed Sins




>DG would not break her heart over this. She is not a
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>>For Pete's sake. I really didn't think this whole
>>debate over whether or not to keep the shrine would
>>accelerate into such a heated discussion. If the whole
>>decision really rides on what I feel about the entire
>>mess; I am going to revoke my permission and express I
>>want it down. I am not going to sit back and allow
>>something to remain that is going to tear this board
>>apart.
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>>Everyone has proved valid points with great intensity,
>>and no one here should be banned from expressing how
>>they feel, however, despite the fact that I indeed
>>granted DG permission to keep it up; I was to trying
>>and make amends for all the shit I've done to her and
>>mend what fence I could between us. I want to become a
>>friends, one that I can get along with, and this was
>>one thing I allowed a friend to do. I didn't want to
>>anger her.
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>>I still don't like it. In a sense, I feel it's a bit
>>defamatory with a hint of belittlement, but I am
>>*trying* to see past that.
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>>In all fairness, I will have to side with Ellie, TZA
>>and Nimberthril on this one. All three have expressed
>>that if those of you who feel it's high time to end
>>this gone_on_to_long_escapade; the shrine should come
>>down. And the sheer fact that crusading against me for
>>my past crimes doesn't warrant the current torment.
>>
>>I stand here and yell, "Mea Culpa" to show that I
>>indeed take blame for what I have done before,
>>however, that is neither here nor there. The fact
>>remains that in truth, this whole MIL escapade has
>>well over run its course. It's a given that we are all
>>human and by default; tend to be barbaric and cruel.
>>But, the difference between raw emotion and the
>>ability to think out something is humans can make
>>decisions to counter the primal tendencies within
>>themselves. The ability to rationalize right and
>>wrong, to choose something other then the most
>>distasteful ways of making someone pay for being
>>against your beliefs. These are all things humans are
>>capable of. And another thing humans are capable of,
>>compassion.
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>>While this may not be the *exact* word to describe the
>>feelings for those choosing to take the high road, I
>>can still say it amounts to the fact that they are
>>seeing things from the other side of the fence. While
>>I won't condemn people for making their decisions on
>>what road they choose regarding this; it's well within
>>their right if they want to continue the obsession.
>>But, I still have to agree that this nonsense is
>>nothing more then school yard behavior among
>>elementary kids.
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>>A solution to all of this? Here again another valid
>>point. Fenrir said it best when he said to just drop
>>it and not acknowledge its presence again when brought
>>up. One way to stop a fire is to remove its life
>>source. To end a situation and stop it from
>>continuing; remove its fuel supply. I've always said
>>that another way to see this entire mess die; stop
>>talking about it and do not fuel those who do. It's a
>>sure fire way to stop something, quickly. If none
>>other, at least don't acknowledge those who indulge in
>>frivolities. Best to just make the topic forbidden.
>>
>>I also concur with the idea of letting anyone know who
>>decides to bring this up, that this forum is
>>restricted from creating discussions relating to MIL
>>and to take it elsewhere.
>>
>>Just like Vie said no fighting; anything posted with
>>high probability of generating problems asked her
>>permission before listing them, the mods here can do
>>the same. It's your forum, you make the rules. Rules
>>are a part of life. Saying you don't want to dictate
>>to anyone how to behave on your forum is like saying
>>you don't want to enforce common place rules on
>>everyday society because of fear of encroaching on
>>one's rights. Rules are there to keep order, not to
>>remove rights. Without rules, we'd have chaos. So,
>>don't be afraid to enforce some mild, acceptable
>>rules. It's well within your limits.
>>
>>Furthermore, the debate over the shrine, I profess to
>>just let that decision be between DG, Nimberthril and
>>I. Just out of request, I ask everyone to please stay
>>out of it from here on. Everyone got a chance to
>>express how they felt and why, now its time to leave
>>it to those who will make the final decision. Carrying
>>this further is only rising the tensions between the
>>patrons. It's something that I say isn't needed. The
>>fate of the site is now in our hands.
>>
>>I would also like to add another request. Since most
>>of you have either silently or publicly decided that
>>he/she has chosen to take the high road, I yet again
>>out of respect ask that those of you please refer to
>>me by my real name or my PR alias. Some people
>>expressed that the prodding, poking and baiting of me
>>needs to stop; the first thing I would like to see
>>enforcing that is to cut my ties with the LQ name. As
>>someone said, LQ and I, "Jen" are two totally separate
>>people, in which is true, and I am not taking
>>responsibility for the name anymore. I still say who
>>is that? In a sense, using that name to refer to me is
>>in its own way, "baiting" me back to the situation as
>>it's one rope keeping me tied. But to begin an attempt
>>to stop that, don't use the name as a reference. I am
>>not asking much, just merely expressing that I wish it
>>stopped. I cannot push those who wish to continue with
>>the obsession, however, for those of you who wish to
>>end it, but haven't begun to refer to me as Jen,
>>please do so. I would greatly appreciate it.
>>
>>I just hope this doesn't continue to cause an uproar.
>>I feel that in the wake of this mess; DG is taking it
>>pretty hard. I am not sure, but from her actions last
>>night, and the strange abnormality that she failed to
>>appear on any IM, (Which is unusual for her since she
>>is always on) I feel this entire debate has caused her
>>some distress.
>>
>>I feel bad. If this has, to a degree I want to take
>>the blame. Why? Because the whole root of it leads
>>back to me and I hate/despise to see her upset. I feel
>>she doesn't deserve the grief, and I hope I can
>>rectify it soon.
>>
>>I finally add in my own agreement to end all of this
>>as well. Moving the discussions to another board isn't
>>stopping it, only detouring it to another place to be
>>continued. Either way, it is still a form of baiting
>>and if you enforce or support the ending of MIL, then
>>the chatting about it needs to stop all together. I
>>don't see the necessity of continuing to talk about
>>me, anyway. It's all repetitive and frivolous.
>>
>>Nothing new is ever generated, only regurgitated,
>>ridiculous old news of my past incitements or crimes.
>>It is getting old and just plain stupid. To just add
>>emphasis, it's petty, lame and immature to boot. Take
>>an example. Move on, drop it and get a hobby. It's
>>that simple. Either try to get to know me and let me
>>prove I am not by what's been said, or just part in
>>your own direction. To me, I would also like to see
>>MIL meet its demise.
>>
>>Even though my fics are remotely far from being good;
>>I admit they're hideous, godawful, mangled pieces of
>>crap, I still feel that shouldn't warrant anyone to
>>mock or bully me. Just because someone wrote a few
>>horrible fics doesn't mean the author is a bad person.
>>I am human too.
>>
>>I concur, it's high time to move on.
>>
>>Please forgive me for this message's length, or the
>>fact that I started an entirely new thread with it,
>>but I felt the need to add in my own comments and
>>wanted everyone to know how I feel about all of this.
>>I just don't want to see a war break out from all this
>>and hope that my expressions can clear some tension
>>and allow everyone to just sit the sidelines and allow
>>DG, Nimberthril and I handle it from here on out.
>>
>>Thanks for hearing my side, and I am sorry if I caused
>>anyone grief or headaches. Please forgive me.
>>
>>--Shadowed Sins AKA Jen/Inu

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