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Date Posted: 04:25:44 09/16/17 Sat
Interesting polls about events in childhood, teenhood and adulthood
Knut Holt
aquila_grande@yahoo.no
Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex
http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm
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Americans- please tell in my unbiased poll who you would vote for if rhe presidential election was today
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/621050
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Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events, like abduction for surveillance and experimentation by governments or mafias
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524
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Extended, mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia - where the kid undergo endoscopic inspections in the intimate zone and other body areas, extensive ultrasound inspections, ex-rays of several body zones, intrusive specimen collection and body function testings:
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395
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Poll about cystoscopy or bladder inspections in kids and adults:
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327
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Secret, intimate, intrusive medical exams and procedures under anesthesia on kids and adults:
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976
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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807
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All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.
Knut Holt
aquila_grande@yahoo.no
Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex
http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm
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SOME OF THE STORIES I HAVE COLLECTED
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Girl, 11 yo, Italy, intimate examination ordered by the Child protective agencies
I am a female. I was a school-aged child, 11yo, in Italy in 2014. My exact age when this occured.
I was examined in a health centre in a regular doctor's office Parents went with me we by public transportation. A doctor did the exam with two nurses present.
OVERVIEW OF THE EXAM:
They examined my head teeth or jaws. They did an orthopedic exam. They examined the organs inside my chest. They examined my organs inside my stomach. They examined my genitals. They examined my rectal zone. They did a general examination of my pelvic zones.
They inserted instruments into my vagina. that spreader thing I forget what it's called They performed a psychological exam. They made interrogations about my social relations and my daily life.
They also checked my sexual function. The doctor took a long time rubbing my genitals and asked how it felt to see if there was a reaction.
ARRANGEMENTS AND POSITIONS:
I was totally naked. My positions during the exam: lying on my back the head end slightly lower than the feet end.
THE EVENT AS IT PROCEEDED:
First they whisked off my clothes (my parents told me to just wear a loose shirt and skirt with no underwear) Secondly did lots of measurements and weighing, then laid me down on the table Thereafter did all the typical exams of all the parts but very thoroughly.
Then looked inside my vagina and rubbed my vagina for a long time They also asked how it felt if I was reacting. They also touched my nipples The took a wet cloth of some kind and wiped it all over my genitals for several minutes.They also took photos for my medical record.
At some pont had me pee in a beaker.
Judgement:
What do you think was the reason for this exam? I think something about my sexual function? What is your opinion about thios experience? It made me kind of tingle but I was too young to feel much yet. I was a little embarrassed exposed
MORE ABOUT THE GENITAL EXAM:
They palpated my outer female genitals. They spread my genital lips to look inside. They examined my vagina with a speculum. They also rubbed me for a long time
They spread my cheeks and examined extarnally my rectal zone.
The nurses also touched me a lot down there in addition to the doctor.
SOCIOPSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM:
They spent some time asking me questions about whether I had experimented with boys or other girls. They asked if I was still going to the beach naked or if I had started wearing bottoms yet
OBSERVATIONS AND STRANGE THINGS
Someone came and performed a psychological test even though I was called in for quite another thing.
Someone strange person came and performed an intimate exam even though I was called in for quite another reason. Someone strange person came and performed a social interrogation even though I was called in for quite another reason.
I don't know if the photos were kind of strange maybe The exam took a very long time. at least it felt like a while.
DIAGMPSIS AND FOLLOW-UPS
The exam did not result in any diagnosis. or at least nobody told me. the doctor did talk to my parents while I waited nude outside the room.
COMMENTS
This exam was ordered by the child protective agencies to check out if the girl was being abused sexually, had sexual habits or was involved in something that the society has defined as abuse.
By such an exam one looks over the whole body in naked condition to see if there are marks of injuries of any kind, and to observe reactions. If the girl is very shy or uncomfortable, or the opposite lets her be exposed without shyness, both are taken as signs of abuse.
One looks especially thorroughly in the mouth and at the teeth to se the dental status and oral hygiene. Bad dental status or oral hygiene is seen as signs of abuse.
One looks into the vagina to see signs of sexual activity and one takes specimens from the vagina and genitals to search for microbes or rest of semen. Certain microbes found will be taken as sign of abuse, and also a boken hymen. The wet cloth was used to sample specimens to be analyzed.
One touches the intimate parts, including the vulva, anal region and the breats to test the reactions. Certain reactions, for example that the anus relaxes reflectorily is taken as sign of sexual abuse.
One takes pictures of the child in naked conditions, including pictures of the intimate region with the child laying with legs spread to be analyzed by other experts than the doctor an the nurses.
Forthermore one interrogates to see how much the child knows about sexual matters or will tell something directly. If the child knows more about sex than learned in schools it is taken as a sign of abuse.
It is possible that the school observed something unusual in the behavior of the girl and reported it to the child protective agencies. Possibly the parents reported something that led to the exam.
In some countries the child protective system has got huge sums of money so that they can take as many children a possible from the parents. These ordeals have got inustrial proportions in the last years, and certain private cervices also have a huge proffit from the ordeals.
Accordingly the Child protective system has establsished very strict norms for what is normal and vert wide criteria for what is abuse in order to be able to take all the children they are supposed to take, and any authority dealing ith the kids are ordered to report any unusual behavior or interest to the child protective agencies.
In this case the parents were probably not told the purpose of the exam, but given a dummy explananation.
Knut Holt
http://www.mydeltapi.com
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Boy. 8yo, Eastern Europe - kidnapped from school for intimate tests
I am male. It happened at schoolage, 8 years old, in Eastern Europe including the whole of Russia, in the years 1980-1989. They performed an exam or procedure but was not given information about what they did.
ANESTHESIA GIVEN
I was given sedative medicines through my mouth
THE ORDEALS AS REMEMBERED
We had some sexual experiments during afternoon school.
We were kidnapped from school with one of my schoolmate. I was given to sleep in ambulance car.
Then I waken up in hospital fully naked without any body hair with several Hosen (tubes) from my body (mouth nose anus penis). My schoolmate was my in the same state on neighboring bed.
ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE EXAM
WHen I woke up I had IV tubes, tube through my nose and mouth, catheter, a tube into my anus and electodes on me. They checked something but don't know what exactly.
SYMPTOMS AFTER THE ORDEAL
I had pain irritition or other problems in my mouth, in my nose, in my anus or rectum. in my colon or lower stomach. It took a long time before I woke up.
COMMENTS
It looks like the boy and the classmate were used as guine pigs in a medical project, and that it begun with test of sexual reactions in the school, then they were taken to the hospital in an ambulance for exams through all body openings.
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Teenage boy, North America, development and intimate exam by school nurse
I am a male. I was a teenager. Year 1960 - 1969. In North America. I was examined at school, school dispensary. I was already at school and only the nurse an me were present. Was told it was a routine physical examination
ARRANGEMENTS:
I was totally naked. My positions during the exam: I was standing, lying on table and bent over. Only the nurse and I were there, no doctor or other teacher. Before we were in groups.
EXAM OVERVIEW:
I was told to strip to my underpants. Then a thorough exam of my head eyes ears and throat. Thereafter examined my upper body arms chest spine. Then examined my legs and feet while lying down.
I was subsequently bent across the table and was rectally probed and manipulated. The exam ended this way: My penis scrotum and testicles were examined. The rectal and genital exam seemed to be overly extensive.
MORE ABOUT THE GENITAL EXAM:
They palpated my outar male genitals and testicles. They slid down my foreskin and spread my urinary opening. They palpated my prostate with a finger into my rectum. They let me masturbate to collect a semen specimen.
They spread my cheeks and examined extarnally my rectal zone. They examined my rectum with an inserted finger. They inserted a speculum into my anus to examine it internally.
OBSERVATIONS AND OPINIONS
I was called in for quite another thing but they also examined my genital urinary and rectal zone. The exam did not result in any diagnosis.
What do you think was the reason for this exam? School physical What is your opinion about thios experience? A little over the top I thought the semen specimen by masterbation while she watched was strange.
COMMENTS
This was a further check of the development and puberty status after the ordinary school physical in group previously. This is frequntly done, when there is doubt of something or unusual things are observed. The things done by the exam are actually what are needed to get an accurate picture of the puberty status, but the way it was arranged seems somewhat odd, so one may wonder if the nurse did it unneededly for her own sexual gratification.
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Girl, 12yo, USA, Body and pelvic exam with internal pelvic surgery
I am female. It happened as early teen, in North America, USA. The procedure occured in 2010 or later. I was 12 almost 13. It happened towards the end of last school year in May. They took me from the school but the drive was only like 15-20 minutes so it wasn't far.
This was the last of 3 procedures I have been through. The first 2 were just where they took me in and examined me and stuff but this one they actually did surgery.
The procedure occured at a health center. Told me it was a check up for sexually active students. Taken there in a van kind of like an ambulance. Vaguely remember they talking about my uterus something about checking my organs for something too. I was really out of it and they were using a lot of medical words so I didn't really understand.
This happened to me twice before already so at first I didn't think it was a big deal and believed it was about me being sexually active (the other two times I know that other sexually active girls when through the same thing.)
But this time they actually performed some kind of surgery on me so now I'm a little freaked out. Plus that whole thing with protective services threatening to take me away. What's going on do you know anything about this stuff? Please email me Kinkykelly@protonmail.com
ANESTHESIA
After they did the examination I was given a drug that made me sleep. I did wake up a few times and was dimly aware of what was going on but for the most part I was under.
I was awake but drowsy from the anesthesia. I woke up occationally. They injected it.
They put me under the same paralyzing drugs asthe exam before. I couldn't move but I could feel everything they did.
WHAT I SUSPECT WAS DONE DURING THE PROCEDURES
I had an exam or surgery in my stomach area. I had endoscopy or other procedures through my urethra, my vagina and my anus. They performed an exam or procedure but was not given information about what they did.
THE PROCEDURE AS I REMEMBER IT
So at some point it looked like they either put something into my stomach or took it out. I really couldn't tell but the image of the doctor's hand going into my stomach through a cut beneth the naqvel is clear and he had something in his hand.
ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE PROCEDURE
Yes I was hooked up to an IV attached to some blood bags. No I was breathing normally. Yes, a catheter, it was attached to a machine. Had a tube in my anus I don't know if it was measuring me but I think it was the same as the enema they started the procedure with.
A bunch pf electrodes on my head 4 on my chest stomach. 2 on each leg and arm some on my butt and 4 on my vagina. They examined my vagina and anus again took some readings. Eventually left and the nurse undid all the tubes and stuff and got me ready to go. They were curious I think asked me questions about what I was feeling or something I don't really remember. It happened two or three times and they would put me back under.
What do you think it was about? Kinkykelly@protonmail.com
SYMPTOMS AFTER THE PROCEDURE
I had slime bleeding discharge or rest of lubrication coming out of my urethra. I had pain or irritation in my vagina. I had slime bleeding discharge or rest of lubrication coming out of my vagina. I had pain or irritation in my anus or rectum. I had slime bleeding discharge or rest of lubrication coming out of my anus or rectum. I had pain irritation or gas in my colon or lower stomach. I had signs of needles having been stuck into my stomach or breast area. I had strange bruices around my body. .
My vagina anus and urethra were really sore which was different from the last times. It felt like they had put something really big in there. Not to get crude but I've had sex before and know what it feels like after a big penis so it was a lot like that.
Also my stomach right around where the cut was was hurting like a dull aching pain though. And for a couple days after my breasts were really tender and sore there were definitely little marks from needles too and they had gotten a little bigger. Like just bigger enough to make my bras tight and uncomfortable. After a few days that went away.
SPECIAL OBSERVATIONS
Strange persons appeared around me before and after the procedure than those you expected to perform the procedure. The school health service was more than usually interested in me around the time of the procedure and asking questions or doing exams that did not seem to be related to the procedure. The child protective agencies were interfering with me and my family around the time of the procedure. The whole ordeal until I was fully awake took at least twice the time expected.
As for the school and protective agencies they were definitely interested. The school nurse kept asking about how I was feeling and specific stuff like have I gotten my period and have I been taking my birth control. She never asked stuff like that before so that was weird.
Also child protective services came and talked to my mom. They were threatening to take me away because my mom was letting me have sex (she wasn't by the way!). I was eavesdropping and they kept telling her that I was examined by the school and that was what the exam I told her about was and it provided enough evidence to take me away. My mom told me not to tell anyone about it after that.
COMMENTS:
Thanks for your responce at Misterpoll about extreme medical procedures. I have been investigating these things for a while, and know a lot about them, so I can answar a lot of questions you might have, so come back and ask anything so many times you want.
But still there is a lot more I want to know about thee ordeals, so I also have a lot of questions, I hope you can answar.
What you have experienced is a stndardized comprehensive exam done on children and teens at specific ages. Especially the second ecxam is this procedure in its full extent. The first exam was a shorter version of the procedure.
The surgery she went through is something often done as follow-ups to this exam. What they do is to adjust the shape and inernal sizes of the pelvic organs, probably to make the function in these organs adhere to a decided normality scheme.But there is still much I do not know about these adjustments and I try to find out more.
These exams have been going on for several decades in several countries around the World, and there seems to be some sort of international coordination.
Somw schools or communities do the exams for all children, others for children that show special behavior or symptoms pr development symptoms. The exams also seems to be part of a grand scale international research and surveillance project. Both girls and boys go through these exams. But they are never talked about in public, and there is always some degree of serecy around these procedures, Child protective agencies often seems to be involved, and it occurs to me that the units doing these ecams also do them as a service for the CPS system.
Detecting medical problems at an early time seems to be one abjective, and especially pelvic problems. Surveillance is another purpose, control of the kids a third and research a forth.
It looks like they rook out something placed im her uterus at each exam and replaced it with a new thing. Maybe it had the purpose of hindring pregnancy, but it could also be a research device that recorded body activities. They also possibly took out her apendix through the whole they had made in her stomach.
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Girl, 11yo, Australia, health and development assessment with a pelvic focus
About an 11 years old Girl. It happened in Australia, 1990-1999. Answering as a parent, hope that is ok.
She was due to have tonsils removed for repeated tonsillitis. However we could have the procedure and aftercare free of charge in exchange for enrolling onto some medical study which we understood was essentially studying normal anatomy and measurements. We agreed and went to the local hospital for the operation.
We obviously let her know about the operation, and she had suffered with her tonsils so was happy.
We drove her to the procedure at a regular hospital.
OVERVIEW OF PREPARTIONS AND ARRANGEMENTS
She was not allowed to eat some time before the exam. She got laxatives to clean out my stomach at the place where the exam took place. They washed her body before the exam. She got a traditional enema before the exam to clean out her stomach.
She mostly only had her underwear on the time she stayed awake. They placed her upon a simple examination table. They placed her upon an advanced surgical table. She was placed to lay on her back with my flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices. She was placed to lay on my left side.
She got IV tubes into blood vessels, in an arm, a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in her blood. She got electrodes on her cheast.
Parts of my body got numbed by a shot with a syringe. She got anesthesia through tubes into blood vessels. She got anesthesia gas to breath in through a mask. She got some numbing and lubricating cream injected into her urinary opening, vagina and anus. The anesthesia made her sleep mostly, but she woke up occationally.
PREPARATIONS AS OBSERVED DIRECTLY BY PARENTS
Well we went to a small presurgical ward where she was stripped off to knickers only but had a bed and blanket.
The surgeon came to see us first, put our mind at rest, about the tonsillectomy etc. This was followed by the anesthetic team who cannulated arm and weighted her.
Finally the dr from the research people came as explained to us that they would take their samples and measurements once she was asleep and prior to the actual surgery.
Was taken to theatres some time later on the bed and transferred over. She had some injection through the cannula and gas and air over her nose.
A nurse then took off knickers and then she was pretty much bathed in iodine type solution all over from her naval down and parted labia bottom cheeks etc.
She was then positioned in stirrups.
OVERVIEW OF EXAMINATIONS DONE WITH EXTERNAL EQUIPMENT:
They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on her chest and other body areas. They examined her upper body with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined her hip area with an ultrasound device or something similar. They took chest x-ray pictures. They took x-ray pictures of her hip area.
OVERVIEW OF INTERNAL INSPECTIONS:
They inspected the inside of her urethra and bladder with a scope. They took specimens from her urethra with a tube. They took specimens from her bladder with a tube.
They used a speculum in her vagina. They took specimens from her vagina with a tube. They inspected her vagina with a scope. They inspected through her vagina with an ultrasound probe. The doctor explored her vagina with a finger.
They inspected her anus with a speculum. They took specimens from her anus with a tube. They inspected her through her anus with a rigid scope.
They made an opening in my belly button or just under it and inspected the inside of her belly with a scope.
THE EXAMINATIONS AS OBSERVED BY THE PARENTS:
We were only allowed on during the induction then we left but watched from a window. They measured her limbs, head circumference, measured her nipples and areola, hips and waist. Ultrasound of hip joint.
Measures her labia and lots of other measurements of vulva but don't know exactly what.
Again measurements of opening were taken and speculum and various objects were inserted. I don't know precisely to what purpose or recording was for. Long rigid scope was passed into back passage
Once they were finished the ENT surgeon did the operation to remove tonsils.
ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE PROCEDURE
She had catheter into her bladder. She just lay some time in a bed to recover. She lay naked under a blanket after the exam.
she stayed over night to make sure she could eat and drink and then we went home. We Drove home together.
THE SCHOOL SHE ATTENDED
She attended public boarding school. Normal school no relation to operation.
COMMENTS
Wgat is descreibed here is a standardized procedure subjected to children worldwide. The main purpose seems to be collection of data about health and development of children and teens and for general surveillance about the health of young persons in the populations. The procedure has been going on for several decades, and is still going on more than ever in a modernized version.
Some societies seem to have made the procedure mandatory as health and development screening at certain ages, of which 11-12 seems to be a peak age. Often the procedure is done when the child is under anesthesia for some other purpose, and often secretly, but it was not held secret in this case.
Knut Holt
http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm
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