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Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Go...'gate [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 23:17:18 06/17/02 Mon In reply to: El Guapo 's message, "Joining Ivy" on 17:05:39 06/17/02 Mon I'm not trying to speak for Colgate and I apologize if I gave that impression. The same debate has gone on for years and there is room for all opinions. Many Colgate Alumni (including many of my classmates) attended Colgate for just the reasons you outlined. It is my own belief, however, that Colgate would affiliate with the Ivy if the opportunity ever came. The lack of unanimity in the PL as to the aid issue, however, spells trouble for Colgate and the PL. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Dan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:30:23 06/20/02 Thu I still think it is presumed arrogance that you would ever get the invitation over say Lehigh or Bucknell based on a U.S. news and world report ranking.......

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:11:30 06/20/02 Thu This has nothing to do with USNWR survey, which in my opinion underrates all of the full PL members. It does have to do with the combination of a non-scholarship policy, academic compatibility, and the fact that Colgate has been a continuing opponent to many Ivy schools in many sports for over a century.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Dan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:14:35 06/21/02 Fri sure.....

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: El Guapo [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:47:57 06/23/02 Sun Lehigh is an engineering school. If they were to change leagues an alliance with RPI and Clarkson and WPI and maybe Carnegie Mellon would make most sense. Whereas Bucknell would be most likely to hook up with Syracuse and any other school willing to wear such a repulsive orange-and-blue combination :D Seriously, though, Colgate HAS been associated with the Ivy League schools since long before there was such a thing as an Ivy League. When I tell people in the North I went to Colgate they either haven't heard of it or think it IS in the Ivy League.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:54:13 06/23/02 Sun In the 30's and 40's, before the Ivy League, New York sportswriter Caswell Adams identified a dozen teams whom he considered to be the "Ivy Group" which ultimatly evolved into the Ivy League. Among the teams were Army, Navy, the present Ivies, Colgate and Rutgers.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Ram-Ray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:44:27 11/12/02 Tue Hey 'Gate, Here is more complete info on that story about where the Ivy League got it's name from Coswell Adams. Adams was asked on a RADIO PROGRAM if he felt Columbia, Harvard, Yale and Princeton could compete with powers such as Fordham, Nortre Dame and Pittsburg ( then, national powers). His response was "Oh, those schools are IV league, not on the same level of play". He said the Letters I V which sounded like "Ivy". As there were three divisions, Adams was saying they were a notch below. That is what happened. Funny how things change!

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Tim Carson [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:57:26 03/24/03 Mon Recently I heard that the Ivy League asked Lehigh University to become part of the league. Lehigh sports programs are capable of competing and the academics are rising. Is there any truth to what I heard?

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Ram-Ray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:49:11 11/12/02 Tue On may posts, including that of Towson's, I see negative references to the PL as the Ivy wanna bees, the Primadonna League, Snobs-r-us, etc. Now this whole moot line of argument pitts a false sense of smug superiority over one another. Colgate should be Ivy? No, Bucknell would be invited, No no! Lehigh and LC should be before Bucknell and Colgate....etc. ad nausium. There was even a line here about dropping Fordham next. News flash: the ancient eight don't want to make it the nifty nine or the terrific ten. Ask any of the Ivies and NONE of the PL members are good enough to join their little smug group. IMHO, the only PL member who can come close is the newest member,Georgetown and they would NEVER get this make-believe invitation becasue they are a(gasp!) Catholic-Jesuit school! (anyone here know of the media contraversy of what Columbia said at the Fordham-Columbia game?) Judging by this whole line of postings, perhaps the negative statements about the PL have merit. Perhaps the PL are snobbs after all. Did Towson belong?, no, they did not. They are a big commuter state school with no tradition and mediocre standards. But now we have people saying "My school's better than your school". What next? Better get rid of Fordham and American...just not like us. Oh! lets get rid of all those Jesuit schools! like HC and Georgetown! And while we are at it, Bucknell is on the SAT bubble..lets cut them. And then we can dump......... All I can say is, I hope no one from the PL administration sees this whole sorry posting. I was very glad when Fordham was invited to join in '88. The PL is a class league. Lets keep it that way.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Tim Michels [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:45:45 03/24/03 Mon Recently I heard that the Ivy League was inviting Lehigh or Bucknell into the league. Both schools are challenging and ranked highly with US NEWS. What is your take on the situation? Is there any truth here?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy- Bucknell or Lehigh? Yeah, I think I read it in Mad Magazine Author: FC1841 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:19:39 04/09/03 Wed Lehigh or Bucknell joining the Ivy League? .

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy- Bucknell or Lehigh? Yeah, I think I read it in Mad Magazine Author: FC1841 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:20:43 04/09/03 Wed

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: HCsader07 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:00:54 09/21/03 Sun keep dreaming, and it is a little pathetic that all you can talk about on your message boards is the ivy league. There is little need for the ivy league to expand, and I havent heard a real reason for the ivy presidents to want to invite leheigh, colgate, or bucknell. The PL is fine without them. To attract students on an ivy league level we need to dinstinguish ourselves as different from the ivy league, not as a lesser version of the same thing.