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Head Viper Fails history test15Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught,whether by word or our epistle. 16Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.First, I must say, it's nice to see the SnakePit dwellers do read my forums, though they profess to ignore them. Obsession at work again.
The perverted papist try to use vs.15, as if it says, traditions by word AND epistle, to justify their heretical doctrines. However, St. Paul says "word OR epistle", which means that the "oral" communication of truth must be in alignment with the "written" communication of Truth, or equivalent to one another. Instead, the papist choose their perverted doctrines over the Written Word anytime there is conflict between the two.
Whereas St. Paul exhorts the Thessalonians, and thus the entire Church to "stand fast"---ie, to hold one's position, solidly in the sound doctrines where the oral communication is in alignment with the Written Word of God in order to keep from error and apostasy, the papists jump headlong into
heretical positions(apostasy) that are contrary to the Written Word of God.
The perverted papist try to use vs.15, as if it says, traditions by word AND epistle, to justify their heretical doctrines. However, St. Paul says "word OR epistle",Yeah, I think that's what I said too. In other words, my addled adder, St. Paul's spoken word or his written word. And guess what, St. Paul's written word became part of the Bible ("became" as in the future). So his letters had the same authority as his spoken word -- both coming from the same source. What magically made St. Paul's written letter more authorative than his spoken commands? Nothing, of course, and there were many things not written, but still commanded. This is what Catholics call Tradition. It does not oppose the Bible, but the Bible does not oppose it either. Same source, unity in purpose, both from God. Remember, my confused scaly one, the Bible, as we know it, did not exist until about 400 A.D.
Instead, the papist choose their perverted doctrines over the Written Word anytime there is conflict between the two.No, my Pit dweller, Catholics don't. There is no conflict between the Bible and Catholic Doctrine. The conflict exists between Catholic Doctrine and the interpretation of the Bible by the so-called "reformers." It wasn't a Catholic who called the Epistle of St. James an "epistle of straw." It wasn't a Catholic who added the word "only" to a verse in Romans. A so-called "reformers" pulled off this trick to make the Bible jive with his newfangled, Satan-inspired, doctrines. And these are the "heroes" the vipers would oppose to the Catholics.
Whereas St. Paul exhorts the Thessalonians, and thus the entire Church to "stand fast"---ie, to hold one's position, solidly in the sound doctrines where the oral communication is in alignment with the Written Word of God in order to keep from error and apostasy,Acutally, no, my "careless with the truth" little venom spitter. What St. Paul said -- which, strangely enough was quoted in your own hissing diatribe, was "Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught,whether by word or our epistle." Only a sidewinder would try to change these plain words into: "...to hold one's position, solidly in the sound doctrines where the oral communication is in alignment with the Written Word..." The word "traditions" was the common link in this verse. Hold fast to the traditions whether taught by word or epistle. Nothing at all here about the epistle being above the word, or that the word had to jive with the epistle. Remember, my truth-challenged belly crawler, the Bible, as we know it, was still being written. The Apostles wrote it. Their epistles were authorative, as were their spoken words. The early Church Fathers quoted the Apostle's epistles because they were written those who had walked with our Lord. The early Christians obeyed the Apostles words, written or spoken, because the Apostles were the head of the Church. Is this confusing you, my venom dripping little cotton mouth?