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Subject: Re: Cystic Hygroma's


Author:
Elizabeth
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Date Posted: 13:41:15 11/07/03 Fri
In reply to: Shannon 's message, "Cystic Hygroma's" on 09:56:57 10/23/03 Thu

I hope more than anything that your child is born healthy enough that these worries will become nothing more than a rich, but difficult, part of you history.

If you aren't able to get more encouraging news, I hope you might be able to find some peace during this waiting.

I, too, waited several months for a child to be born, knowing that she might not make it to delivery, and that her life would be very short if she were born living.

Eventually, I found peace, and came to cherish her movements inside of me. They might be the only way I came to know her while she was alive. I wrote about them at night, I talked to her in the womb. I also found a beautiful christening gown I'd had as an infant and prepared it to bring to the hospital, along with pins tighten it for this very tiny and possibly pre-term girl. I also bought a perfect tiny little outfit.

I had a bag packed early with the special things I wanted & reviewed my instructions carefully with my ob. He had an advance mtg with the hosp nursing team, so we'd have nurses who knew & would be extra supportive & actually chose our assignment.

At the hospital, she WAS born alive. :-) They took many photos and made a number of footprints. We held her and bathed her ourselves, wanting every single moment we could have with her. I had made sure that my medication wouldn't interfere with my ability to hold her and experience her (I had an epidural so I would be prepared if I needed an emergency c-section, but no other meds before).

We were very lucky, we took her home for over 5 months. In fact, I pushed the hospital into going home THAT day so we could be a family together for any time we had.

What I wish I had done (and would have been especially important to me if we had not taken her home): I wish someone had taken photos of her while her footprints were made. I wish we had made plaster hand casts and footcasts there. There was a special soap I subsequently used for her. I wish we'd used that at the hospital -- her very own scent. I wish I'd brought my own receiving blankets for her to be delivered into -- something beautiful & perfect, not the ugly hospital ones! I wish I had asked the nurse to write down what she remembered about my daughter's birth.
A tiny life has few memories, and when I could do something to make the memories more precious -- I guess more suitable to cherishing her perfectly -- it helped me.

If this is hard to read, I am sorry. I know it was hard for me to read of sadness, but I also know that I had to read that, so I felt I would cope if the worst happened. And then anything more was joy. five months of joy!!!
so beautiful.

GOOD LUCK. Again, I pray that you will not need ANY of this.

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Author:
Sarah
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Date Posted: 10:46:24 02/23/04 Mon

Hello, We are starting our 23rd week of pregnancy and the specailist told us that our daughter probably has Turner's and has cystic hygroma on the neck and fluid around the lungs and heart. He is pushing for termination which we have no intentions of doing! The doctors are sounding as if it's impossible for her to live. We don't know what to believe. Any advice?
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Author:
Melanie
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Date Posted: 14:31:20 02/24/04 Tue

Turner's Syndrome is not necessarily fatal, so I'm guessing he is telling you that because of the fluid around the heart and lungs. I wouldn't want to give you a false sense of hope, but doctor's are not always right. That is why termination is certainly not something he should be pushing for. There are some advantages to carrying to term, even when the prognosis is not good. They include:
You have that extra time to say goodbye to your baby and to prepare and you may have time to hold her.
You won't have to wonder whether or not your baby would have survived, you will know, and you will know that you gave her every chance.
It can be much harder in the short run but it sometimes more beneficial as far as grieving goes, in the long run to take the course you are taking, especially if you are not comfortable with termination.
Even with very sick babies, I have often heard parents comment on how these little ones touch the lives of others.

I can't tell you if it would be impossible for her to live, but she's alive now and you have her now. Like I said, doctor's are sometimes wrong... hope for the best and pray for it, and prepare yourself for the worst. That way, no matter what the outcome you will have made the necessary plans. Find a doctor that specializes in high risk pregnancy and a neonatologist that are willing to work with you.

In the meantime, you might find this of some help:


http://www.turner-syndrome-us.org/resource/resources_detail.cfm?id=109

http://www.turner-syndrome-us.org/resource/faq.html

--Melanie
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Author:
monica
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Date Posted: 11:41:57 03/03/04 Wed

Hi Sarah -- wow, we have two Sarah's with a TS diagnosis!

Well, your dr is just nutty to say that it's *impossible* for your baby to live w/ TS and cystic hygroma'and hydrops. Granted, the odds are not in your favor, but it's foolish to say impossible. More likely is that dr doesn't want to manage this pregnancy -- maybe, to give him the benefit of the doubt, he just wants you to avoid the possible pain of losing your baby. WHo knows . . . what's important is what you want.

What kind of info/resources do you think would be of help to you? Are you in info overload and just looking for support, someone to have hope with you? We can do that for you. Just tell us what you need!

The yahoo group (below) has not been active recently, but if you email the groupowner/moderater, I'm sure she will set you up with other moms -- perhaps some of them have been exactly in your shoes!

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ts-pregnancy/

Okay, Sarah, we are here for you, just help us to know what your needs are!

Sincerely, Monica
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Sarah
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Date Posted: 15:02:58 03/03/04 Wed

Hello, I just thought I would update you guys. We just switched doctors and the new doctor found things on our records that the other doctor kept from us. We found that our baby has no kidneys and therefor will not live long after birth. Especially in addition to all of her other problems. I have ten weeks left, so I have started planning her funeral. Thanks for the support, Sarah
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Author:
Monica
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Date Posted: 15:22:24 03/03/04 Wed

Oh Sarah -- I'm so, so sorry.

Do you want to be put in touch with some other moms who lost their baby for the same reason? I know a handful of moms who would be very willing to talk with you (or email with you) and help you process what is happening, and what will happen.

Let me know -- you can email me if you like.

Hugs and prayers!

Sincerely, Monica


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