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Subject: TEEN PICTURES ARCHIVE / LEGAL TEENS ARCHIVE < Teen_Girls~Boys_15_19

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Firstly, please pray for that my mother was cheated by Mr. Kwong, Mr Ho, Hin Chai and Anna years before, she went to a company and worked as an Office assistant, but they cheated my mother, and compelled my mother to give her money out to them(they cheated my mother that the money was used for investment, and the investment was failured), and went away, thank God for that the policemen arrested Mr. Kwong now, but the Mr. Ho , Hin Chai and Anna were still not arrested, please pray for that God can help the policemen in the investigation, and find the evidence to accuse the Mr. Kwong and his helper in the judiciary court, thank God for that the policemen sent us several letters till now about that the investigation is in the progressing, please pray for that God can move their heart, Mr. Kwong , Mr. Ho, Hin Chai and Anna will regret about that they cheated my mother, and they can have pity on my mother , and return the money back to my mother , thank you.
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(6) Please pray for and thank God for that I will not be suffered in the marital problems, so that I can seek the kingdom and the righteousness of God first, and have a spiritual growth up, and I will not regret about the decision I made in this marriage this life, that I will only choose the Christian girlfriend that was arranged by God, please pray for that if God had not prepare a Christian girlfriend for me, help me to keep alone whole life, so that I will not be hurt again in order that I can restore my psychological health and have a spiritual growth up. (7)Please pray for that the son of my brother will not hurt himself, my brother and my sister will not be suffered in the marital problems , my sister can have good psychological health, and we can maintain a good relationship, we will not be hurt by the husband of my sister and the wife of my brother, so that my mother and I can help my sister and my brother to accept the Jesus. (8)Please pray for that I can continue submit my prayer requests and study bible from the net, so that my mother and I can firmly believe in the bible ,and we can have assurance of the salvation. And please pray for that we will not suffer a loss in the Lord's Judgement Day, thank God for that I can keep on use mind or mouth to pray in the office , please pray for that God can keep my stomach health if I pray with fasting for too long time, and please pray for that God can keep me not to hurt myself if I undergo stress because I found some blood come out of my body nowadays, please pray for that God can keep me if I need to see a doctor, please pray for that God can help me not to bleeding inside my body and I can restore my health, and please pray for that I can not only keep on use mouth to pray in the office but also in the whole life time, God can keep my health when I pray too vigorous, and I can pray at mid-night , and my mother and I can go to the church where God prepared for us and donate our money there in the will of God, so that we can have spiritual growth up , please pray for that I can maintain a good psychological and body health, and can keep on pray with heart this life, and please pray for that I will not suffer from disease ( such as heart disease) if I pray too vigorous. (9)Please pray for that my family members and I can have place to live and food to eat and we can have safety in using electricity and fire, pray for my sister that she want to born a baby, please keep her health and baby's health, and please pray for that we can apply for compassionate rehousing in God's will, may God have mercy upon my family members. (10) Please pray for that when I distributing the gospel pamphlets in the mainland China, the policemen come to me, and write down my Identity Card number, please pray for that God can help me to tackle with it. (11) Please pray for that I hurt my skin in order to keep on praying, please pray for that I can keep on pray with hurt my skin and will not infected by the SARS or other viruses.(12)Please pray for that my brother will not go on drinking the wine and gambling, and please pray for that when his wife want to divorce with him, he will not have some irrational thoughts, such as commit suicide or hurt himself or do some hurtful things . so that he will not be arrested by the policemen. (13) Please pray for that God can add my pain, so that I can be purified, and help me to have spiritual growth up, and please pray for that my family members and I will not be hurt by my colleagues, classmates, church members and friends include Christian colleagues, so that they can be helpful for me to live out a good witness before my family members, my grandmother, my father, my sister, my brother and my relatives can all accept the Jesus Christ, and my mother and I can have a spiritual growth up and can strenghthen our faith.
And I am sorry for any inconvience I made to submit my prayer request here. Pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, a-men.

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Subject: prayer

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Date Posted: 12:49:54 12/04/09 Fri
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Subject : Lord Jesus Christ please add my pain and help me to further my job contract as I now use a sharp thing to cut into my body in order to keep on praying, pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, a-men.

Thank God for that I can submit my prayer request here, and thank you for your prayer, may God bless you.
Firstly, please pray for that my mother was cheated by Mr. Kwong, Mr Ho, Hin Chai and Anna years before, she went to a company and worked as an Office assistant, but they cheated my mother, and compelled my mother to give her money out to them(they cheated my mother that the money was used for investment, and the investment was failured), and went away, thank God for that the policemen arrested Mr. Kwong now, but the Mr. Ho , Hin Chai and Anna were still not arrested, please pray for that God can help the policemen in the investigation, and find the evidence to accuse the Mr. Kwong and his helper in the judiciary court, thank God for that the policemen sent us several letters till now about that the investigation is in the progressing, please pray for that God can move their heart, Mr. Kwong , Mr. Ho, Hin Chai and Anna will regret about that they cheated my mother, and they can have pity on my mother , and return the money back to my mother , thank you.
Secondly, (1) thank God for that now I have taken in the psychological medicines, please pray for that God can protect me from the side effect of psychological medicines, my mother will not place the psychological medicines into my food, I can forgive my family members if they place the psychological medicines into my food, and please pray for that my family members and I will not hurt by my bosses, and will not suffer a loss at the judgement day. and please pray for that my mother and I can use all our spare time (holidays) to study bible, distribute the gospel pamphlets and pray, so that we can have spiritual growth up and I can further my contract. (2)Please pray for that my mother, brother , sister and I can have safety during working hour, please pray for that God can protect my family members and I to have a job. (3)Please pray for that my parents could have goood relationship between each other, my father will not want to divorce with my mother; (4) Please pray for that I now use a sharp things to cut into my skin in order that I can keep on praying, (5) Please pray for that I can restore my psychological health, because I am always blame myself about the sins I committed before, I am afraid that God will punish me about the sins I committed before, please pray for that I can have biblical mind to know will God punish me one day or not, so that I can live out good witnesses and have peace to face the punishment from God one day, and please pray for that God can forgive me. (6) Please pray for and thank God for that I will not be suffered in the marital problems, so that I can seek the kingdom and the righteousness of God first, and have a spiritual growth up, and I will not regret about the decision I made in this marriage this life, that I will only choose the Christian girlfriend that was arranged by God, please pray for that if God had not prepare a Christian girlfriend for me, help me to keep alone whole life, so that I will not be hurt again in order that I can restore my psychological health and have a spiritual growth up. (7)Please pray for that the son of my brother will not hurt himself, my brother and my sister will not be suffered in the marital problems , my sister can have good psychological health, and we can maintain a good relationship, we will not be hurt by the husband of my sister and the wife of my brother, so that my mother and I can help my sister and my brother to accept the Jesus. (8)Please pray for that I can continue submit my prayer requests and study bible from the net, so that my mother and I can firmly believe in the bible ,and we can have assurance of the salvation. And please pray for that we will not suffer a loss in the Lord's Judgement Day, thank God for that I can keep on use mind or mouth to pray in the office , please pray for that God can keep my stomach health if I pray with fasting for too long time, and please pray for that God can keep me not to hurt myself if I undergo stress because I found some blood come out of my body nowadays, please pray for that God can keep me if I need to see a doctor, please pray for that God can help me not to bleeding inside my body and I can restore my health, and please pray for that I can not only keep on use mouth to pray in the office but also in the whole life time, God can keep my health when I pray too vigorous, and I can pray at mid-night , and my mother and I can go to the church where God prepared for us and donate our money there in the will of God, so that we can have spiritual growth up , please pray for that I can maintain a good psychological and body health, and can keep on pray with heart this life, and please pray for that I will not suffer from disease ( such as heart disease) if I pray too vigorous. (9)Please pray for that my family members and I can have place to live and food to eat and we can have safety in using electricity and fire, pray for my sister that she want to born a baby, please keep her health and baby's health, and please pray for that we can apply for compassionate rehousing in God's will, may God have mercy upon my family members. (10) Please pray for that when I distributing the gospel pamphlets in the mainland China, the policemen come to me, and write down my Identity Card number, please pray for that God can help me to tackle with it. (11) Please pray for that I hurt my skin in order to keep on praying, please pray for that I can keep on pray with hurt my skin and will not infected by the SARS or other viruses.(12)Please pray for that my brother will not go on drinking the wine and gambling, and please pray for that when his wife want to divorce with him, he will not have some irrational thoughts, such as commit suicide or hurt himself or do some hurtful things . so that he will not be arrested by the policemen. (13) Please pray for that God can add my pain, so that I can be purified, and help me to have spiritual growth up, and please pray for that my family members and I will not be hurt by my colleagues, classmates, church members and friends include Christian colleagues, so that they can be helpful for me to live out a good witness before my family members, my grandmother, my father, my sister, my brother and my relatives can all accept the Jesus Christ, and my mother and I can have a spiritual growth up and can strenghthen our faith.
And I am sorry for any inconvience I made to submit my prayer request here. Pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, a-men.

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Subject: prayer

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Date Posted: 04:17:04 11/21/09 Sat
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Subject : Lord Jesus Christ please help me to further my job contract as I now use a sharp thing to cut into my body in order to keep on praying, pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, a-men.

Thank God for that I can submit my prayer request here, and thank you for your prayer, may God bless you.
Firstly, please pray for that my mother was cheated by Mr. Kwong, Mr Ho, Hin Chai and Anna years before, she went to a company and worked as an Office assistant, but they cheated my mother, and compelled my mother to give her money out to them(they cheated my mother that the money was used for investment, and the investment was failured), and went away, thank God for that the policemen arrested Mr. Kwong now, but the Mr. Ho , Hin Chai and Anna were still not arrested, please pray for that God can help the policemen in the investigation, and find the evidence to accuse the Mr. Kwong and his helper in the judiciary court, thank God for that the policemen sent us several letters till now about that the investigation is in the progressing, please pray for that God can move their heart, Mr. Kwong , Mr. Ho, Hin Chai and Anna will regret about that they cheated my mother, and they can have pity on my mother , and return the money back to my mother , thank you.
Secondly, (1) thank God for that now I have taken in the psychological medicines, please pray for that God can protect me from the side effect of psychological medicines, my mother will not place the psychological medicines into my food, I can forgive my family members if they place the psychological medicines into my food, and please pray for that my family members and I will not hurt by my bosses, and will not suffer a loss at the judgement day. and please pray for that my mother and I can use all our spare time (holidays) to study bible, distribute the gospel pamphlets and pray, so that we can have spiritual growth up and I can further my contract. (2)Please pray for that my mother, brother , sister and I can have safety during working hour, please pray for that God can protect my family members and I to have a job. (3)Please pray for that my parents could have goood relationship between each other, my father will not want to divorce with my mother; (4) Please pray for that I now use a sharp things to cut into my skin in order that I can keep on praying, (5) Please pray for that I can restore my psychological health, because I am always blame myself about the sins I committed before, I am afraid that God will punish me about the sins I committed before, please pray for that I can have biblical mind to know will God punish me one day or not, so that I can live out good witnesses and have peace to face the punishment from God one day, and please pray for that God can forgive me. (6) Please pray for and thank God for that I will not be suffered in the marital problems, so that I can seek the kingdom and the righteousness of God first, and have a spiritual growth up, and I will not regret about the decision I made in this marriage this life, that I will only choose the Christian girlfriend that was arranged by God, please pray for that if God had not prepare a Christian girlfriend for me, help me to keep alone whole life, so that I will not be hurt again in order that I can restore my psychological health and have a spiritual growth up. (7)Please pray for that the son of my brother will not hurt himself, my brother and my sister will not be suffered in the marital problems , my sister can have good psychological health, and we can maintain a good relationship, we will not be hurt by the husband of my sister and the wife of my brother, so that my mother and I can help my sister and my brother to accept the Jesus. (8)Please pray for that I can continue submit my prayer requests and study bible from the net, so that my mother and I can firmly believe in the bible ,and we can have assurance of the salvation. And please pray for that we will not suffer a loss in the Lord's Judgement Day, thank God for that I can keep on use mind or mouth to pray in the office , please pray for that God can keep my stomach health if I pray with fasting for too long time, and please pray for that God can keep me not to hurt myself if I undergo stress because I found some blood come out of my body nowadays, please pray for that God can keep me if I need to see a doctor, please pray for that God can help me not to bleeding inside my body and I can restore my health, and please pray for that I can not only keep on use mouth to pray in the office but also in the whole life time, God can keep my health when I pray too vigorous, and I can pray at mid-night , and my mother and I can go to the church where God prepared for us and donate our money there in the will of God, so that we can have spiritual growth up , please pray for that I can maintain a good psychological and body health, and can keep on pray with heart this life, and please pray for that I will not suffer from disease ( such as heart disease) if I pray too vigorous. (9)Please pray for that my family members and I can have place to live and food to eat and we can have safety in using electricity and fire, pray for my sister that she want to born a baby, please keep her health and baby's health, and please pray for that we can apply for compassionate rehousing in God's will, may God have mercy upon my family members. (10) Please pray for that when I distributing the gospel pamphlets in the mainland China, the policemen come to me, and write down my Identity Card number, please pray for that God can help me to tackle with it. (11) Please pray for that I hurt my skin in order to keep on praying, please pray for that I can keep on pray with hurt my skin and will not infected by the SARS or other viruses.(12)Please pray for that my brother will not go on drinking the wine and gambling, and please pray for that when his wife want to divorce with him, he will not have some irrational thoughts, such as commit suicide or hurt himself or do some hurtful things . so that he will not be arrested by the policemen. (13) Please pray for that God can add my pain, so that I can be purified, and help me to have spiritual growth up, and please pray for that my family members and I will not be hurt by my colleagues, classmates, church members and friends include Christian colleagues, so that they can be helpful for me to live out a good witness before my family members, my grandmother, my father, my sister, my brother and my relatives can all accept the Jesus Christ, and my mother and I can have a spiritual growth up and can strenghthen our faith.
And I am sorry for any inconvience I made to submit my prayer request here. Pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, a-men.

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Date Posted: 14:43:40 10/27/09 Tue
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Subject: If you can�t love a god who lets anyone suffer forever

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Date Posted: 07:39:35 04/22/08 Tue
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If you cannot love a god who would let anyone suffer forever, you can copy and paste (if necessary) the following urls into the address bar and find out that a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation.

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If necessary, copy and paste the following url into the address bar.

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At the top and bottom of that same THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD page, there is the following link to fourteen other writings in the same series that are related to this same subject.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm</a>

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Subject: HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE by James Coram

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Date Posted: 05:54:25 11/16/07 Fri
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HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE by James Coram

The introduction at the beginning of each chapter is not the chapter itself. You must click on the highlighted title of each chapter to bring up the entire chapter to read it. Each chapter is quite long and comprehensive.

The �danger� in preaching the truth resides only in the imagination of the person who doesn�t understand the truth.

The online book �HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE� by James Coram needs no defense. It stands on its own merit.
It has helped many people. It will help many more.

Most comments and questions regarding this book are responded to within the writing itself, for example, �WHAT ARE CORRECT TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE?�

A frequent response to first learning about the existence of this book is,
�You believe the words of men, but we believe the Bible.�
But the actual reading of, �HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE� by James Coram will prove to all readers that JUST THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

IMHO, "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" by James Coram is the most powerful of all of the dozens of books that I have read, the hundreds of tapes that I have listened to, and the many online articles that I have read that show that a correctly, (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation. (I am 69 years old)

In fact, to me it is so powerful that it renders all arguments to the contrary completely irrelevant to the truth that it proves that, by the time God�s plan for the ages of time has been consummated, the universal salvation of all sinful creatures from everything from which they need to be saved, most certainly, will have occurred.

It can be read in its entirety online at <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html">http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html</a>

Or, it can be Googled up by typing in HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE

It has seventeen chapters, each chapter having its own highlighted heading followed by a short introduction.
Just click on the highlighted heading and the entire text of that chapter will appear.

Since I have read many writings, the sum total of which probably contain every argument in existence in support of the idea that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation, I am confident that if anyone were to read "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" in it's entirety, they would change their mind about their belief that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation.

However, as a friend recently reminded me, one must be disposed of the Ultimate Placer to receive any revelation; it�s all about Sovereign causes & effects. Or as Ralph Waldo Emerson put it, �People only see what they are prepared to see�

From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada
�That God may be All in all� 1Cor.15:28

Write to me personally at rodgertutt@sympatico.ca

My website is <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/">http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/</a>

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Subject: Why are you and I having faith in Jesus for salvation?

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Date Posted: 05:53:23 11/16/07 Fri
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SELF-HELP SALVATION AND PRIDE

By James Coram, director of THE CONCORDANT PUBLISHING CONCERN

Some Christians think that the gaining of their salvation is, in part, a human achievement. Other Christians think that the maintaining of their salvation is, in part, a human achievement. Yet other Christians think that both the gaining and the maintaining of their salvation is, in part, a human achievement. Even though it be ever so small, many Christians think that their part (which becomes the most important part) is absolutely necessary for the success of their salvation. God�s part, they think, is not sufficient

What everyone needs most is a willing heart and a change in their stubborn will. But many Christians think that at that point, just when we need Him the most, God lets us down. They think that He will not grant anyone a willing heart or effect a change in their stubborn will. This is something, they think, that they must supply on their own.

Even if we have been graced to come to Jesus, we tend to suppose that this was thanks to ourselves. Indeed, many seem to become much more proud and self reliant after �conversion� than ever before. And they seek to cover this up through much ill-disguised religious parlance in which it is true that they do give much, but certainly not all the credit to God. For example, �The Lord did it all, after I let Him.� or �I could never be where I am today without His assistance.�

This increase in pride is the result of having been subjected to such an abundance of human-independence teaching in an atmosphere in which it is continuously encouraged and reinforced, verified and justified with much approbation and exaltation.

After all, such believers are sure that they, unlike others, have �made their decision for Christ.� And, they say, this has not occurred in the grace of God as a result of their having been chosen before the disruption of the world (even if the Scriptures do say so), but is the result and is thanks to their very own decision. Though others may far excel them in lesser things, when it comes to what is most important, they think it is obvious that they are superior. They think, �At least I was willing and sufficiently disciplined, for when it mattered the most I did the right thing and the switch got thrown, so people like me will go up to heaven while everyone else will go down to hell.�

Just think of it. Picture this type of self-help salvation and pride. For all eternity (or at least for the ages) they will be able to say, �All those miserable sinners burning in hell could have gone to heaven too. Certainly the work of Christ saved no one at all. It wasn�t supposed to. All it did was make salvation possible. Besides, every one of those sinners deserves to be in everlasting burning, for unlike me, they didn�t do what they should have and could have. And here I am in eternal bliss, perfectly good and perfectly happy, even though billions of my fellow creatures are perfectly miserable and doomed to stay that way forever (or at least for the ages). Yet in the end I only got here myself because of what I did, not because of the sacrifice of Christ. I chose to meet God�s demands for His (so-called) free gift and I did so. I wasn�t given any special grace. It wasn�t any easier for me than for anyone else. It�s too late now anyway so let them burn. Too bad for them, but not for me. I�m happy and so is God. In fact we�re all happy here.�

You see, that�s the ultimate selfishness of that view and that�s what it leads to. One can only avoid boasting in self by truly ceasing to believe things and say things that are inherently of a boastful nature.

It is only the word of the cross that effectively and wisely trains us in this true humility so that �if anyone is boasting, in the Lord let him be boasting,� as Paul says. It is an empty gesture to go through the motions of giving all the glory to God, while at the same time continually believing that good decisions and acts are things which ultimately owe their existence to one�s own self, God having but made them possible. May He enlighten us to see truly that it is �in the grace of God that I am what I am.�

After thought. Since the salvation of even one soul is 100% by God�s grace plus nothing, the salvation of all souls will be no problem for God at all according to His sovereign perfect timing for each individual.

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Subject: my testimony

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Date Posted: 05:51:38 11/16/07 Fri
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MY TESTIMONY

The idea that God lets any creature suffer endlessly has caused me more suffering than all other problems of my life combined. By the time I had reached the mission field I had hoped to have found a satisfactory answer that would justify God allowing this to happen. I didn't find such an answer. Surrounded by thousands of people, dozens of whom were dying every day and beginning an eternity of suffering in hell was too much for me.

In 1966, at age 28 (I�m 69 now), it caused me to have a nervous breakdown. For several weeks I was confined to my bed in a state of terror night and day. The terror was caused by the fear of what a God I could not love or respect would do to me after I died. It took me twelve years to fully recover from the breakdown. I quickly became agnostic, for the Christian gospel and the Bible were no longer any comfort to me at all. Many evangelical friends tried to help me. They meant well, but in the end they all had only words of condemnation towards me. This added more suffering to my already intense suffering.

Gradually I began to learn that there have been, in centuries past, and still are today, a few people in the world that see a different kind of God in the Bible. They see a God who will not let any creature suffer forever. They see a God in the Bible who will change every second of everyone's suffering into something better that it happened, including the sufferings of Satan. I learned that a correctly (literally) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. I read dozens of books, and listened to hundreds of tapes by men who believe this way and I gradually became converted to believing this way myself.

Since 1981, through my newspaper ads and my telephone ministry, I have sent out many hundreds of packets of literature explaining why I believe as I do. I have also sent this evidence to hundreds of pastors and Bible school teachers. None of them have told me that they are able to refute it. I have also read eight books that were supposed to refute the evidence in favour of universalism, but none of them do. Because of this evidence, my panic attacks became less frequent until twelve years after my breakdown they ceased altogether. Now nothing gives me greater pleasure than to make this evidence available to others who have suffered because of the same problem I had, and I use a substantial amount of my money and time to this end.

Because of the enormous amount of suffering the idea of "endless hell" causes in this world, I am asking you to consider the possibility that you should stop endorsing the idea that the Bible teaches it. Or, at least, let others know that there are (and have been in centuries past) people who do not think the Bible teaches it.

Many of the responses from pastors and teachers range from a mild: "The majority don't agree with you so you must be wrong", to the vicious "For every week you leave your ad in the papers, God will increase the temperature of the fires of hell for you personally".
Most are somewhere in between these remarks. But none have told me they are able to refute the evidence. And, until they can, they will not be able to stop me from sharing the good news that a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation.

My website is <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/">http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/</a>
A website that answers all the arguments that seem to support the idea that the Bible teaches endless suffering in hell is
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/">http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/</a>

It is linked to the tentmaker site <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/">http://www.tentmaker.org/</a>
where the �scholar�s corner� in the right hand column under �research� deals with every aspect of the subject. The search engine at the top of this same tentmaker page is very comprehensive regarding this subject. Just type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture verse and ten articles will appear that refute the endless hell and annihilation doctrines. Then click to the next page and ten more articles will appear, and so on and so on for many pages.

I am also going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is much more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle.

You can Google up his testimony by typing in ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE
Or you can copy and paste the following url into the address bar
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html</a>
You can access my forum through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt.

It may well be that a few members or surfers of this form will be able to benefit from the testimonies of Charles and myself.

May God's blessing rest with your spirit!

From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada
�That God may be All in all� 1Cor.15:28

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Subject: Writings that were the CURE not the cause

Author:
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Date Posted: 05:50:40 11/16/07 Fri
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My name is Rodger Tutt. I am 69 years old. I could have avoided a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78) had I known as a youth about the following information concerning what a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches.

You can access my website through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt, or
My website is <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/">http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/</a>

You can also access most of the following writings through Google by typing in the title.

BOOKS THAT SHOW THAT THE BIBLE TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION, THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF WHICH CAN BE READ ONLINE

If necessary, copy and paste the following urls into the address bar.

0. ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST � Charles Slagle
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html</a>
1. HOPE BEYOND HELL - Gerry Beauchemin (recently published)
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/index.html">http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/index.html</a>
2. CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm</a>
3. THE BIBLE HELL - J.W. Hanson
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html</a>
4. THE ORIGIN AND HISTORY OF THE DOCTRINE OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT � Thomas Thayer
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html</a>
5. THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE � Dr. Loyal Hurley
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/infinitegrace.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/infinitegrace.htm</a>
6. JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN "HELL" - J. Preston Eby
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/hell.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/hell.htm</a>
7. ONE HUNDRED SCRIPTURAL PROOFS THAT JESUS CHRIST WILL SAVE ALL MANKIND - Thomas Whittemore
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html</a>
8. TWENTY-FOUR SERMONS ON UNIVERSAL SALVATION � John Bovee Dods
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/Bovee2.htm#Top">http://www.tentmaker.org/Bovee2.htm#Top</a>
9. THE SECOND DEATH AND THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS � Andrew Jukes
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/restitutionindex.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/restitutionindex.htm</a>
10. ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY REASONS FOR BELIEVING IN THE FINAL SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND � Erasmus Manford
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/150reasons.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/150reasons.html</a>
11. THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS � J. Patching
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/RichManandLazarus-Patching.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/RichManandLazarus-Patching.html</a>
12. BIBLE TRANSLATIONS THAT DO NOT TEACH ETERNAL TORMENT � Gary Amirault
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html</a>
13. AION � AIONIOS � John Wesley Hanson
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html</a>
14. BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED � John Wesley Hanson
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html</a>
15. THE CASE OF JUDAS, ETCETERA
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter16.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter16.html</a>
16. THE PROBLEM OF EVIL � John Essex
AND THE ROLE OF THE ADVERSARY � James Webb
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TheProblemofEvil.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TheProblemofEvil.html</a>
17. HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE � James Coram
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html">http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html</a>

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Subject: Why I believe the Bible teaches universal salvation

Author:
Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/)
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Date Posted: 05:49:31 11/16/07 Fri
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The people who want to keep believing that the Bible proves that everyone deserves to suffer forever in hell just because they were born into this world, or because they don�t make the �right� choice before it�s �too late,� or that God created beings with a will so strong that they can irreversibly choose themselves into a state of eternal torment - these people will keep believing it because they want to.

But people who want to believe that the Bible nowhere supports such a concept of God will examine the evidence contained in HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE at <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html">http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html</a>

And also here
Information, and frequently asked questions in support of a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaching universal salvation,

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm</a>

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/sitemap.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/sitemap.html</a>

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html">http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html</a>

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and they will learn that the Bible actually teaches universal salvation instead, not even annihilation.

Or, they will go to the search engine at the top of <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org">http://www.tentmaker.org</a> and will type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage. Ten articles will come up refuting the claim that the Bible teaches eternal torment. Then they may click to the next page and ten more articles will come up, and so on and so on for many pages.

The many entries in my guestbook that is accessed towards the bottom of my front page

at <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/">http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/</a>

and the many entries at <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm</a>
show just how much this information is helping people.

This was the information that enabled me to recover from a twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-68), and it gives me great joy to keep learning every day that it is helping more and more other people too!! I�m 69

I am also going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is much more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle.
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html</a>

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Subject: My tribute to Ray Prinzingr

Author:
Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/)
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Date Posted: 05:48:10 11/16/07 Fri
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Ray Prinzing is my hero. His writings can be Googled up and read online. Just type in Ray Prinzing.

During my twelve year nervous breakdown caused by my inability to emotionally cope with the idea that God lets any creature suffer forever in hell, every morning, as I washed my family�s dishes, I would listen to one of Ray Prinzing�s many tapes.

I have listened to 178 of them several times, and 23 of them many times

In addition to these tapes, I always read every issue of his periodical GOSPEL ECHOES which he later renamed LETTERS OF TRUTH and gleaned many pages of his writings into my personal journal.

Many people have a hero, someone in their life that made a contribution to their welfare so significant that it is far above the influence that anyone else has had.

Ray Prinzing is that hero to me.

For several years my 95 year old dad called me from his nursing home each evening. Each time he called I read a portion of my over four thousand page journal to him, and many of these readings are the gleanings that I wrote from Ray Prinzing�s writings and tapes. Many nights my dad fell asleep listening to one of Ray�s tapes.

As I listened to Ray�s tapes during my nervous breakdown (1966-78) I gradually became more and more sure that I was going to recover. The contents of his tapes gave me the courage, in 1978, to take a public stand that I believe that the Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. (I�m 69)

My panic attacks completely stopped.

And now I spend most of my time offering people, in various ways, the information that helped me recover and helps me stayed recovered.

The current issues and many back issues of UNSEARCHABLE RICHES magazine (started in 1909) from the CONCORDANT PUBLISHING CONCERN, and the GRACE AND TRUTH magazine from England have both been a great help to me.

In addition to Ray Prinzing�s tapes and writings there is one particular book and one particular set of tapes that have been very influential in my life.

The book is A.E. Knoch�s ALL IN ALL. In spite of the claim that there are contradictions in it, and in spite of �cult-buster� Don Hewey�s other attempts to discredit it, (arguments to which Richard Condon has responded), ALL IN ALL remains, in my opinion, one of the best of all the many books that I have read in support of the Bible teaching universal transformation.

Don Hewey is a believer in the inspiration of the King James Version. When he accuses A.E. Knoch of "contradicting the Bible," in many cases what he really means is that A.E. Knoch contradicts the KJV, because the Concordant Translation does not rely on the Received Text from which the KJV was translated. Don Hewey therefore also attacks the RSV, the NIV, and other modern translations. For this reason much of what Don writes just doesn't make any sense.

As far as Knoch calling the life that Lazarus will be raised to as it being eonian and unending, it is both. Lazarus will have unending life and that life will allow him to live through the oncoming eons which is called '"eonian life."

But even if Don Hewey�s criticisms had any merit, they would still not detract from the fact that this book IRREFUTABLY proves that the Bible teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation.

Richard Condon�s detailed rebuttal of Don Hewey�s criticisms of ALL IN ALL can be read at
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://gtft.org/Library/condon/QuestionsWithoutAnswers.htm">http://gtft.org/Library/condon/QuestionsWithoutAnswers.htm</a>

The tapes that I referred to are a set of eight 90 minute cassettes called HUMAN CHOICE AND THE DEITY OF GOD by James Coram. I have listened to this set of tapes several dozens of times and consider my knowledge of their content to be priceless.

Both ALL IN ALL and the HUMAN CHOICE tapes can be obtained online at
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.concordant.org/">http://www.concordant.org/</a>

Ray Prinzing has now passed on, but his influence is so wide spread that he will not be forgotten on this earth for many, many years, if ever. And that is a very good thing!

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Subject: Ray Prinzing is my hero

Author:
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Date Posted: 05:47:13 11/16/07 Fri
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GOOGLE UP RAY PRINZING TO READ SOME REALLY GREAT WRITINGS

During my twelve year nervous breakdown caused by my inability to love a god who would allow anyone to suffer forever, I would listen to a Ray Prinzing tape while I washed the dishes of my family every day. Through the years that I repeatedly listened to these tapes I became more and more confident that that I was going to recover from my breakdown.

In the opinion of Rodger Tutt of Toronto, Canada, the following are the best of all of Ray Prinzing�s taped sermons. I will list the very best of these best tapes on the next posting

6 CHRIST OUR MERCY SEAT
8 NO SUBSTITUTE
9 TRUST
16 SEE NO EVIL
29 THEREFORE CHOOSE LIFE
30 GOD�S WONDERFUL VENGEANCE
32 SUFFICIENT THE EVIL
35 CHANGING THY STRENGTH
36 AS KINGS AND PRIESTS
38 REVELATION TO REVELATION
42 THE TREE OF LIFE
48 KEPT IN PEACE
51 GOD�S RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENTS
55 ALLEGORY OF RACHEL
56 NONE SHALL BE LOST
59 REPENTANCE TOWARDS GOD
61 AND GOD REPENTED
63 THE END OF THE LORD
71 URGED ON BY FAITH
76 MINISTRY OF SALT
89 BLESSINGS REWARDED OR INHERITED
90 NO CONDEMNATION
95 NOT SOMEHOW BUT TRIUMPHANTLY
101 PASSING THROUGH
104 THE INTERPLAY OF GOOD AND EVIL
105 THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD
109 PLENTEOUS REDEMPTION
111 OF THE SAME LUMP
119 HELD TOGETHER BY LOVE
121 ESTABLISH THE SECOND
122 ESTABLISH THE SECOND, PART TWO
123 ESTABLISH THE SECOND, PART THREE
128 ADVANCE IN ADVERSITY
131 ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT
133 AFTER THE PRESSURES
134 THE POLISHED SHAFT
135 INTERNAL TRIUMPH
136 RECONCILED INTO HIMSELF
138 AT PEACE WITH YOUR CALLING
142 THE HIDDEN ONES
143 GOD�S GENTLENESS TO MAN
147 BEYOND DISCIPLINE
148 BEHOLDING HIM
149 DELIVERANCE
150 ENTER THY CHAMBERS
151 GOD OF THE VALLEY
152 GOD OF THE MOUNTAINS
153 IN QUIETNESS
154 IN CONFIDENCE
158 RENEWED INTO HIS MIND
160 EAT THE BOOK
161 HOLD FAST TO THE HEAD
162 THE SEVENTH MAN
164 SORROW TURNED INTO JOY
165 MAKE READY A PEOPLE
166 DESIRE OF ALL NATIONS
167 THE BIRTHRIGHT CHALLENGE
168 MY FATHER IS GREATER
169 HIS PARTICIPATING PRESENCE
170 CHANGES, TYRANNY OR BLESSING
171 TILL HE PLEASE
172 IN HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
173 KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL
174 THE SWORD GUARDED WAY
175 THE HEAVENLY VISION
176 DEFEATING THE ACCUSERS
177 NEITHER TOIL NOR SPIN
178 THE LAW OF CIRCULARITY
180 HE THAT SHALL ENDURE
181 LIFT UP A STANDARD
183 MUCH MORE
186 WHEN GOD HIDES HIS FACE
187 FAITH VICTORIOUS
188 DIVINE CONFIRMATION
189 WAIT FOR WISDOM�S CHILDREN
190 GOD CHOSE OUR FATHERS
192 LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER
194 EARTHEN VESSEL SINKS
196 A VERY PRESENT HELP
197 A NEW COAT, YEAR BY YEAR
198 COME UP HITHER
199 UNDER HIS SHADOW
200 A HUSHED SECRET
201 EXPECTATION OF RIGHTEOUSNESS
202 RETURNING INTO GOD
203 PUT A DIFFERENCE
204 FROM EAST TO WEST
206 TIME OF YOUR SOJOURNING
207 HIS HAND IS STRETCHED OUT
208 WHAT SHALL I DO?
209 TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS
210 GIVE DILIGENCE
211 LIVING EPISTLES
215 THE LORD THY REARWARD
216 THE ANGER OF THE LORD
217 GOD APPOINTED HORIZONS
218 HOLD FAST TILL I COME
219 ACTIVELY RESTING
221 AN INNER REJOICING
222 BLESS ME INDEED
224 NO MORE ECCENTRIC
225 NOT A SPIRIT OF FEAR
226 FORGET NOT ALL HIS BENEFITS
227 AND SUDDENLY
228 THE HEAVENLY HOST ATTENDS
229 FIT FOR THE KINGDOM
230 JUDGEMENT UNTO VICTORY
231 GOD IS IN CONTROL
232 THE LORD OUR HELPER
233 OUR THREEFOLD JUDGEMENT
235 GOD COUNTED THE COST
236 THY LIFE FOR A PREY
237 THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS
238 FROM POVERTY TO RICHES
239 ABIDING IN GOD
240 PARTS OF HIS WAYS
241 CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST
242 MASTER OF MYSELF
243 ANOINTED EYE SIGHT
244 FAITH THAT OBTAINS
246 THE FURNACE FOR GOLD
247 RAISE UP THE FOUNDATION
248 SHALL PROSPER IN HIS HAND
250 INWARD REVELATION OF THE SON
251 KINGDOM LIFE TRANSFORMING
252 SO GROWS THE KINGDOM
253 AFTER YE HAVE SUFFERED
254 CHOSEN TO KNOW HIS WILL
255 HEALING THE BREACHES
256 OUR THREEFOLD RESURRECTION
257 A THORN FOR THE FLESH
258 THE MINISTRY OF WAITING
259 THERE IS A RIVER
267 HEARING, LEARNING, COMING
268 THE LORD ALWAYS BEFORE ME
269 HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED
270 GOLD IN THE MAKING
271 MAKE TO LACK, READY TO FILL
273 ACQUAINTED WITH THE ALMIGHTY
274 EACH IN HIS OWN RANK
278 GOD�S UNFINISHED WORK
280 FULLY PERSUADED
285 CONTINUALLY WITH HIM
286 SURRENDERED TO HIS LORDSHIP
295 TO RECONCILE ALL THINGS
296 INIQUITY SHALL HAVE AN END
297 OVERFLOW WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS
298 THINGS BELONGING TO PEACE
301 HIS DESIRE IS TOWARD ME
302 REFINED AS SILVER
303 AND GOD REMEMBERED
304 LOOSE THE PRISONER
305 ASPECTS OF SPIRITUAL LIFE
306 GOD�S INDWELLING CONTROL
307 OUT OF HIM WE CAME
308 GRACE UPON GRACE
309 JUDGEMENT RESTS FOR A LIGHT
310 HIS MERCY ENDURETH FOREVER
312 THE SURE MERCIES OF DAVID
315 THE DEVIL DESTROYED
316 TOTAL AVAILABILITY
317 VIEWING THE THIRD DAY
326 KINGDOM AUTHORITY
339 GOD SO LOVED HE GAVE
340 NO MORE EXACTORS
342 WORSHIP CREATURE OR CREATOR
352 BUT GOD MUCH MORE
371 THE RICHES OF RIGHTEOUSNESS
374 REVELATION A POSITIVE BOOK
375 THE CITY ENLARGED
377 HIS TABERNACLE IS WITH MEN
379 GOD�S GREAT SECRET CHRIST
383 THE LAMB UNSEALS THE BOOK
385 FREEDOM OF THE GLORY
387 ESTABLISHED BY GRACE
386 YESTERDAY, TODAY, FOREVER
390 FIRE IN REDEMPTION�S PLAN
393 WE PREACH CHRIST
398 POSSESSED BY CHRIST
401 THE AIM OF INSTRUCTION
405 FATHER GAVE ME A COMMANDMENT
408 EAGLE VISION

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Subject: The best of the best of the Ray Prinzing tapes

Author:
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Date Posted: 05:45:54 11/16/07 Fri
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GOOGLE UP RAY PRINZING TO READ SOME REALLY GREAT WRITINGS

Ray Prinzing�s very best, and his two extra good tapes.

30 GOD�S WONDERFUL VENGEANCE
101 PASSING THROUGH
104 THE INTERPLAY OF GOOD AND EVIL
109 PLENTEOUS REDEMPTION
123 ESTABLISH THE SECOND, PART THREE
138 AT PEACE WITH YOUR CALLING
215 THE LORD THY REARWARD
216 THE ANGER OF THE LORD
217 GOD APPOINTED HORIZONS
226 FORGET NOT ALL HIS BENEFITS
230 JUDGEMENT UNTO VICTORY
232 THE LORD OUR HELPER
235 GOD COUNTED THE COST (extra good)
236 THY LIFE FOR A PREY
237 THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS
248 SHALL PROSPER IN HIS HAND
255 HEALING THE BREACHES
295 TO RECONCILE ALL THINGS
315 THE DEVIL DESTROYED
339 GOD SO LOVED HE GAVE
352 BUT GOD MUCH MORE
385 FREEDOM OF THE GLORY
387 ESTABLISHED BY GRACE (extra good)

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Subject: Response to "ARE YOU REALLY A CHRISTIAN?"

Author:
Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/)
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Date Posted: 05:42:46 11/16/07 Fri
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To the extent that anyone is successfully able to measure up to the list of "qualifications" on that post, why do you think that is so?

SELF-HELP SALVATION AND PRIDE

By James Coram, director of THE CONCORDANT PUBLISHING CONCERN

Some Christians think that the gaining of their salvation is, in part, a human achievement. Other Christians think that the maintaining of their salvation is, in part, a human achievement. Yet other Christians think that both the gaining and the maintaining of their salvation is, in part, a human achievement. Even though it be ever so small, many Christians think that their part (which becomes the most important part) is absolutely necessary for the success of their salvation. God�s part, they think, is not sufficient

What everyone needs most is a willing heart and a change in their stubborn will. But many Christians think that at that point, just when we need Him the most, God lets us down. They think that He will not grant anyone a willing heart or effect a change in their stubborn will. This is something, they think, that they must supply on their own.

Even if we have been graced to come to Jesus, we tend to suppose that this was thanks to ourselves. Indeed, many seem to become much more proud and self reliant after �conversion� than ever before. And they seek to cover this up through much ill-disguised religious parlance in which it is true that they do give much, but certainly not all the credit to God. For example, �The Lord did it all, after I let Him.� or �I could never be where I am today without His assistance.�

This increase in pride is the result of having been subjected to such an abundance of human-independence teaching in an atmosphere in which it is continuously encouraged and reinforced, verified and justified with much approbation and exaltation.

After all, such believers are sure that they, unlike others, have �made their decision for Christ.� And, they say, this has not occurred in the grace of God as a result of their having been chosen before the disruption of the world (even if the Scriptures do say so), but is the result and is thanks to their very own decision. Though others may far excel them in lesser things, when it comes to what is most important, they think it is obvious that they are superior. They think, �At least I was willing and sufficiently disciplined, for when it mattered the most I did the right thing and the switch got thrown, so people like me will go up to heaven while everyone else will go down to hell.�

Just think of it. Picture this type of self-help salvation and pride. For all eternity (or at least for the ages) they will be able to say, �All those miserable sinners burning in hell could have gone to heaven too. Certainly the work of Christ saved no one at all. It wasn�t supposed to. All it did was make salvation possible. Besides, every one of those sinners deserves to be in everlasting burning, for unlike me, they didn�t do what they should have and could have. And here I am in eternal bliss, perfectly good and perfectly happy, even though billions of my fellow creatures are perfectly miserable and doomed to stay that way forever (or at least for the ages). Yet in the end I only got here myself because of what I did, not because of the sacrifice of Christ. I chose to meet God�s demands for His (so-called) free gift and I did so. I wasn�t given any special grace. It wasn�t any easier for me than for anyone else. It�s too late now anyway so let them burn. Too bad for them, but not for me. I�m happy and so is God. In fact we�re all happy here.�

You see, that�s the ultimate selfishness of that view and that�s what it leads to. One can only avoid boasting in self by truly ceasing to believe things and say things that are inherently of a boastful nature.

It is only the word of the cross that effectively and wisely trains us in this true humility so that �if anyone is boasting, in the Lord let him be boasting,� as Paul says. It is an empty gesture to go through the motions of giving all the glory to God, while at the same time continually believing that good decisions and acts are things which ultimately owe their existence to one�s own self, God having but made them possible. May He enlighten us to see truly that it is �in the grace of God that I am what I am.�

After thought. Since the salvation of even one soul is 100% by God�s grace plus nothing, the salvation of all souls will be no problem for God at all according to His sovereign perfect timing for each individual.

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Subject: ARE YOU REALLY A CHRISTIAN?

Author:
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Date Posted: 14:59:31 09/13/07 Thu
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ARE YOU REALLY A CHRISTIAN?

� Not every one who says to Jesus, �Lord, Lord,� shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but those who do the will of His Father in heaven. Many will say to Him, �Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name and in your name cast out devils and in your name done many wonderful works?� And then He will profess to them, �I never knew you: depart from me, you who practice lawlessness. (Mt. 7:21-23).

� People honor Jesus with their lips, but their hearts are far from Him (Mk. 7:6).

� They worship Him in vain, teaching for doctrine men�s rules (Mk. 7:7).

� And exchanging His Ten Commandment Law for men�s traditions (Mk. 7:8).

� Resisting sound doctrine to suit their own desires, they gather to themselves many teachers who will say what their itching ears want to hear (2 Tim. 4:3).

� Turning their ears away from the truth, they embrace myths (2 Tim. 4:4).

� �And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them� (Rom. 1:28-30).

� They have a form of godliness, but deny its power, and we should have nothing to do with them (2 Tim. 3:5).

� They are blind guides, and when the blind lead the blind, they all fall into the pit (Mt. 15:14).

� For there is a way that seems right but ends in death (Pr. 14:12; 16:25).

� And nearly everyone is going that way (Mt. 7:13).

� For the whole world is deceived (Rev. 12:9).

� Except the elect (Mt. 24:24).

� But those who would enter eternal life must obey all ten of His Commandments (Mt. 19:17).

� For it we disobey just one Commandment, we are lawbreakers and therefore sinners (Jas. 2:10).

� For sin is the transgression of His Ten Commandment Law (1 Jhn. 3:4).

� And the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ, our Lord as well as our Savior (Rom. 6:23).

� For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life (Jhn. 3:16).

� And Christ is the resurrection and the life, and everyone who believes in Him will receive everlasting life (Jhn. 11:25).

� If they obey Him (Jhn. 3:36 NASB).

� For if we will repent (and be baptized) in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins, His Heavenly Father will forgive us and give us the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

� And unless we have the Spirit of Christ, we do not belong to Him�and we are not Christians (Rom. 8:9).

� And therefore we remain unredeemed sinners�and lost (Rom. 3:23).

� We must repent or perish (Lk. 13:3,5).

� And God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should repent (2 Pet. 3:9).

� And every Christian does repent continually for the forgiveness of his sins, in the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord as well as our Savior (1 Jhn. 1:9).

� And obeys all ten of His Commandments, and remains faithful to Him (Rev. 12:17; 14:12).

� Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, our Lord as well as our Savior (Rom. 8:1).

� If they obey Him (Heb. 5:9)

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Subject: for Bible believers who cannot love an endless-hell god
Author: Rodger Tutt [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:40:12 08/23/07 Thu (69.158.55.250) BIBLICAL CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALIST RESOURSES Copy and paste the following url into the address bar <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html">http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html</a> [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: CELEBRATE Marriage and Family!!

Author:
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Date Posted: 11:30:14 06/12/07 Tue
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We are looking for women of faith to represent their area in the Mrs Oregon America Pageant in October of 2007. This pageant has a mission beyond the physical. Our hope is to spread, state wide, the wonderful works of our contestants in their church, family, marriage, and community. For more insight into our program go to www.mrsoregon.net . Blessings,

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Subject: HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE by James Coram

Author:
Rodger Tutt
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Date Posted: 06:46:23 04/25/07 Wed
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The introduction at the beginning of each chapter is not the chapter itself. You must click on the highlighted title of each chapter to bring up the entire chapter to read it. Each chapter is quite long and comprehensive.

The �danger� in preaching the truth resides only in the imagination of the person who doesn�t understand the truth.

The online book �HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE� by James Coram needs no defense. It stands on its own merit.
It has helped many people. It will help many more.

Most comments and questions regarding this book are responded to within the writing itself, for example, �WHAT ARE CORRECT TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE?�

A frequent response to first learning about the existence of this book is,
�You believe the words of men, but we believe the Bible.�
But the actual reading of, �HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE� by James Coram will prove to all readers that JUST THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

IMHO, "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" by James Coram is the most powerful of all of the dozens of books that I have read, the hundreds of tapes that I have listened to, and the many online articles that I have read that show that a correctly, (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation. (I am 68 years old)

In fact, to me it is so powerful that it renders all arguments to the contrary completely irrelevant to the truth that it proves that, by the time God�s plan for the ages of time has been consummated, the universal salvation of all sinful creatures from everything from which they need to be saved, most certainly, will have occurred.

It can be read in its entirety online at <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html">http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html</a>

Or, it can be Googled up by typing in HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE

It has seventeen chapters, each chapter having its own highlighted heading followed by a short introduction.
Just click on the highlighted heading and the entire text of that chapter will appear.

Since I have read many writings, the sum total of which contain every argument in existence in support of the idea that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation, I am confident that if anyone were to read "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" in it's entirety, they would change their mind about their belief that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation.

However, as a friend recently reminded me, one must be disposed of the Ultimate Placer to receive any revelation; it�s all about Sovereign causes & effects. Or as Ralph Waldo Emerson put it, �People only see what they are prepared to see.�

From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada
�That God may be All in all� 1Cor.15:28

Write to me personally at rodgertutt@sympatico.ca

My website is <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/">http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/</a>

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Subject: End Times Info

Author:
Aurora
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Date Posted: 17:50:04 02/11/07 Sun
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The hourglass is nearly empty. The culmination of End Times is upon us and the Great Tribulation is just around the corner. There are a total of TWO things that you need in order to obtain Eternal Life and Man-Made Religion is not one of them. (1) A Good Heart Condition. (2) An Acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior. We urge those who wish to obtain Eternal Life in Christ's Kingdom to read the following very important message: <A rel=nofollow target=_blank HREF="http://lightoflifeministry.com/4f0" target="_blank">An Important End Times Message</A>

For additional End Times information also visit: <A rel=nofollow target=_blank HREF="http://EndTimesTruths.com/4f0" target="_blank">End Times Truths Revealed</A>

And for Free End Times Newsletters visit: : <A rel=nofollow target=_blank HREF="http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=558806" target="_blank">Free End Times Newsletter Storefront</A>

We don�t aim to twist arms or convince anyone of anything they aren�t ready or willing to believe as their hearts will ultimately dictate what they perceive to be truth. However, it is also our responsibility to warn those who do not accept this Truth, will face Judgment at Armageddon. For this reason we pray that the eyes and hearts of all who read our message are opened to the Truth whether that is now, or in the near future when our words come to pass.

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Subject: A literally translated Bible teaches universal salvation

Author:
Rodger Tutt
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Date Posted: 14:54:29 01/24/07 Wed
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THE ACTUAL TRUTH IS ALWAYS WORTH REPEATING

The �danger� in preaching the truth resides only in the imagination of the person who doesn�t understand the truth.

The online book �HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE� by James Coram needs no defense. It stands on its own merit.
It has helped many people. It will help many more.

All comments and questions regarding this book are responded to within the writing itself, for example, �WHAT ARE CORRECT TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE?�

A frequent response to first learning about the existence of this book is,
�You believe the words of men, but we believe the Bible.�
But the actual reading of, �HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE� by James Coram will prove to all readers that JUST THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

IMHO, "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" by James Coram is the most powerful of all of the dozens of books that I have read, the hundreds of tapes that I have listened to, and the many online articles that I have read that show that a correctly, (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation. (I am 68 years old)

In fact, to me it is so powerful that it renders all arguments to the contrary completely irrelevant to the truth that it proves that, by the time God�s plan for the ages of time has been consummated, the universal salvation of all sinful creatures from everything from which they need to be saved, most certainly, will have occurred.

It can be read in its entirety online at <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html">http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html</a>

Or, it can be Googled up by typing in HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE

It has seventeen chapters, each chapter having its own highlighted heading followed by a short introduction.
Just click on the highlighted heading and the entire text of that chapter will appear.

Since I have read many writings, the sum total of which contain every argument in existence in support of the idea that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation, I am confident that if anyone were to read "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" in it's entirety, they would change their mind about their belief that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation.

However, as a friend recently reminded me, one must be disposed of the Ultimate Placer to receive any revelation; it�s all about Sovereign causes & effects.

From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada
�That God may be All in all� 1Cor.15:28

Write to me personally at rodgertutt@sympatico.ca

My website is <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/">http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/</a>

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Subject: what I wish I had known during my youth

Author:
Rodger Tutt
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Date Posted: 18:20:48 12/05/06 Tue
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My name is Rodger Tutt. I am 68 years old. I could have avoided a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown had I known as a youth about the following information concerning what a correctly (literally, not interpretively) Bible teaches.
You can access my website through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt.

BOOKS THAT SHOW THAT THE BIBLE TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION, THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF WHICH CAN BE READ ONLINE

1. HOPE BEYOND HELL - Gerry Beauchemin (recently published)
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/index.html">http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/index.html</a>
2. CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm</a>
3. THE BIBLE HELL - J.W. Hanson
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html</a>
4. THE ORIGON AND HISTORY OF THE DOCTRINE OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT � Thomas Thayer
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html</a>
5. THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE � Dr. Loyal Hurley
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/infinitegrace.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/infinitegrace.htm</a>
6. JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN "HELL" - J. Preston Eby
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/hell.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/hell.htm</a>
7. ONE HUNDRED SCRIPTURAL PROOFS THAT JESUS CHRIST WILL SAVE ALL MANKIND - Thomas Whittemore
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html</a>
8. TWENTY-FOUR SERMONS ON UNIVERSAL SALVATION � John Bovee Dods
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/Bovee2.htm#Top">http://www.tentmaker.org/Bovee2.htm#Top</a>
9. THE SECOND DEATH AND THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS � Andrew Jukes
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/restitutionindex.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/restitutionindex.htm</a>
10. ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY REASONS FOR BELIEVING IN THE FINAL SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND � Erasmus Manford
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/150reasons.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/150reasons.html</a>
11. THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS � J. Patching
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/RichManandLazarus-Patching.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/RichManandLazarus-Patching.html</a>
12. BIBLE TRANSLATIONS THAT DO NOT TEACH ETERNAL TORMENT � Gary Amirault
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html</a>
13. AION � AIONIOS � John Wesley Hanson
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html</a>
14. BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED � John Wesley Hanson
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html</a>
15. THE CASE OF JUDAS, ETCETERA
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter16.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter16.html</a>
16. THE PROBLEM OF EVIL � John Essex
AND THE ROLE OF THE ADVERSARY � James Webb
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TheProblemofEvil.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TheProblemofEvil.html</a>
17. HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE � James Coram
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html">http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html</a>

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Subject: my testimony

Author:
Rodger Tutt
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Date Posted: 18:19:59 12/05/06 Tue
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You can access my testimony through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt.

Because my testimony is helping so many people, I am posting it here so it will stay on your front page for awhile if that's ok with you. The many entries in my guest book that is accessible towards the bottom of the front page on my site, and the many positive emails in my email file folders, show that the content of my testimony is helping many people.
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/">http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/</a>
(nothing for sale on this site)

MY TESTIMONY

The idea that God lets any creature suffer endlessly has caused me more suffering than all other problems of my life combined. By the time I had reached the mission field I had hoped to have found a satisfactory answer that would justify God allowing this to happen. I didn't find such an answer. Surrounded by thousands of people, dozens of whom were dying every day and beginning an eternity of suffering in hell was too much for me.

In 1966, at age 28, it caused me to have a nervous breakdown. For several weeks I was confined to my bed in a state of terror night and day. The terror was caused by the fear of what a God I could not love or respect would do to me after I died. It took me twelve years to fully recover from the breakdown. I quickly became agnostic, for the Christian gospel and the Bible were no longer any comfort to me at all. Many evangelical friends tried to help me. They meant well, but in the end they all had only words of condemnation towards me. This added more suffering to my already intense suffering.

Gradually I began to learn that there have been, in centuries past, and still are today, a few people in the world that see a different kind of God in the Bible. They see a God who will not let any creature suffer forever. They see a God in the Bible who will change every second of everyone's suffering into something better that it happened, including the sufferings of Satan. I learned that a correctly (literally) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. I read dozens of books, and listened to hundreds of tapes by men who believe this way and I gradually became converted to believing this way myself.

Since 1981, through my newspaper ads and my telephone ministry, I have sent out many hundreds of packets of literature explaining why I believe as I do. I have also sent this evidence to hundreds of pastors and Bible school teachers. None of them have told me that they are able to refute it. I have also read eight books that were supposed to refute the evidence in favor of universalism, but none of them do. Because of this evidence, my panic attacks became less frequent until twelve years after my breakdown they ceased altogether. Now nothing gives me greater pleasure than to make this evidence available to others who have suffered because of the same problem I had even though they have embraced Christ and His gospel for themselves, and I use a substantial amount of my money and time to this end.

Because of the enormous amount of suffering the idea of "endless hell" causes in this world, I am asking you to consider the possibility that you should stop endorsing the idea that the Bible teaches it. Or, at least, let others know that there are (and have been in centuries past) people who do not think the Bible teaches it.

Many of the responses from pastors and teachers range from a mild: "The majority don't agree with you so you must be wrong", to the vicious "For every week you leave your ad in the papers, God will increase the temperature of the fires of hell for you personally".
Most are somewhere in between these remarks. But none have told me they are able to refute the evidence. And, until they can, they will not be able to stop me from sharing the good news that a correctly (literally) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation.

A website that answers all the arguments that seem to support the idea that the Bible teaches endless suffering in hell is TENTMAKER. Although forum rules prevent me from posting forum links, you can easily Google it up. The �scholar�s corner� under �research� deals with every aspect of the subject. The more than 600 page search engine at the top of this same TENTMAKER front page is also very comprehensive regarding this subject. Just type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage, and ten articles will appear that refute the eternal hell and annihilation doctrines.

I am also going to guide you all to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is much more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle.
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html</a>

You can access my testimony through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt.

It may well be that a few members of this form or surfers will be able to benefit from the testimonies of Charles and myself.

May God's blessing rest with your spirit!
From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada
�That God may be All in all� 1Cor.15:28

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Subject: Messianic Prophecy

Author:
Pahu
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Date Posted: 14:31:44 11/21/06 Tue
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<center> 
�Your Will Be done�

Prophecy

The Lord GOD has opened My ear,
and I was not rebellious, nor did I turn away. 
Isaiah 50:5

Fulfillment

He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying,
 �O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it,
thy will be done.� 
Matthew 26:42

This is only one of hundreds of prophecies
recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures
fulfilled by Jesus Christ
who came to atone for the sins of everyone
so that we can have a living, eternal relationship
with the one and only true, living, creator God
of everything and everyone.
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Subject: Jesus is God

Author:
Pahu
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Date Posted: 14:37:58 11/07/06 Tue
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GOD:

�Thus declares the LORD [YAHWEH] who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him�.they will look on Me whom they have pierced� (Zechariah 12:1,10).

JESUS:

�After having Jesus scourged, he handed Him over to be crucified�.But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear� (Matthew 27:26; John 19:34).

If we would enter eternal life,
we must repent of our sins,
submit to Jesus Christ as Lord
and obey His
Ten Commandment Law.

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Subject: The One True God - A 10 Minute Audio Message

Author:
Cecil Spivey
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Date Posted: 12:20:35 09/04/06 Mon
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<center>The One True God</center>

There is so much confusion about The One True God today. I have a 10 minute audio message below. Just click on the link below and be sure to turn your speakers on.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.paulsgracemessage.org/The_One_True_God.mp3">The One True God</a>

<center>Faith Alone in Christ Alone =Salvation</center>

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Subject:

Hurricane Katrina: Our school needs help!

Author:
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Date Posted: 04:15:11 09/18/05 Sun
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Hello! Seems everywhere you turn these days, there are many requests for help coming from those who want to help those affected by the Hurricane, appropriately so. If, in addition to assisting major organizations like American Red Cross, Habitat for Humanity, Salvation Army, etc, you would still like to help someone out... or... still looking for who you want to assist, please read on.
In the small working-class community known as the Back Bay area, among the many buildings that took on water from the wind-driven storm surge was a little school called Sacred Heart Elementary. Eight feet of water and wind caused the school to take on major damage. But the school held on. A large portion of the D'Iberville area was left devastated. Despite the building standing through the hurricane, the school lost everything. Books are strewn all throughout the muck, as are their supplies and teaching materials.
It is admirable and wonderful that schools are accepting the children who were unable to attend school because of the devastation of the hurricane. Understandably, though, there are still many awaiting the openings of their schools because they don't want to start over somewhere new. Or, don't have that opportunity. One of the most important things that we can do is move on with our lives. Help others as we can, rebuild, start new dreams and new hopes for the future. Our school wants to open on October 3rd.
Can you help in one of many ways while the families concentrate on their homes and replacing what they lost? We can concentrate on what they cannot: getting those schools open.
Monetary contributions made out to and sent directly to the school is one way, and of course, the quickest.
Another is to add the school as your recipient from your Target Red Card purchases, where the school will get 1% of what you spend at Target and 1/2% of what you spend elsewhere on your Target Visa card. (The other card is the store's card, the Target Guest Card). Please see Target.com.
You can also participate in helping by saving (and then sending to them) the boxtops and labels for education from many of the products that you buy and use everyday.
Thank you for your time and any consideration in helping this school.
Sacred Heart Elementary School, 10482 LeMoyne Blvd, D'Iberville, MS 39540
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Subject: Salvation FREE and Eternal

Author:
Cecil Spivey
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Date Posted: 06:25:20 06/23/05 Thu
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Salvation FREE and Eternal
By � Cecil Spivey

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:15-18

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:27-29

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Acts 13:38-39

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Acts 16:31

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:5

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Romans 5:1

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:33-39

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9-10

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Romans 11:6

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 1 Cor. 15:1-5

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph. 2:8-9

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus 3:5

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:13

ONLY ONE CROSS FOR ALL DISPENSATIONS

Now it is quite true that God has different ages and dispensations and different programs with people but none of the dispensational or racial differences in any way affect the "gospel of Christ" that was foreordained for the salvation of any member of Adam's family that would "call upon the name of the Lord". Joel 2:32; Acts 2:21; Rom. 10:13; Acts 10:43; 15:10-11; 13:38-39. (Please honestly read these.) Though all penitent believers in Christ have His death baptism and His burial and resurrection put to their credit.

P. S.

If all the above Scriptures does not teach that the True Believer has Eternal life now and can not lose it. God�s word has no meaning. If you could loose Salvation, you could not be saved again no more than you can be born into the human family two times. You are born into the human family only once and you are born into God�s family only once.

Faith Alone in Christ Alone = Salvation

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Subject: Jews Fucker
Author: Jews Fucker [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:17:20 05/31/03 Sat (219.94.88.78) You know what the real problem is guys, the real problem is that you are pathetically confused !!! And I know exactly where it is coming from. Islam is not the problem you stupid piece of shit !!! And if all Muslims vanished, you will find another reason to justify your shit inhumanely behaviors . You guys are struggling inside yourselves , you claim that you are fucken christians , huh !!! do you really follow your own bible , or do you really believe that Jesus will carry all your shit and that you are indeed saved by his spilled blood !!! No guys, wake up , this is toooooooooooo much shit to be carried by one guy , whether he was the son of GOD or a GOD himself !!! oh, by the way did you settle down the dispute of whether he is a GOD or son of GOD !!! you see what I mean guys , you are indeed confused and you have to find some one to fucken blame for all your confused, evil souls. And by the way, Muslims didn't crucify Jesus, according to your own bible, the Jews did !!! I keep wondering why do you hate Muslims that much while you seem to be in love with the followers of the ones who crucified your own GOD !!! but no wonder, you are fucken brain washed, CONFUSED mother fuckers whom their lives are nothing but a big illusion !!! And you know what, Islam is coming back as strong as ever. You have planted the seeds of hatred , and you will harvest what you've planted , this is the rule of justice. From here in Malaysia, and from one of the two Islamic states, I assure you that Muslims will kick the shit out of your asses in each part of the world one day or the other, and then you will wish if you have never existed or you might wish if your brains were in your heads instead of your butts !!! FUCKEN CONFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSED !!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Subject: Torah Covenants

Author:
Daniel Daly
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Date Posted: 17:05:14 02/17/04 Tue
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Greetings everybody

I was wondering if anybody in this group is familiar with the various covenants that the Hebrew Torah (the Pentateuch) speaks of. These covenants are Israel's covenant, Abraham's covenant and Noah's covenant. These covenants still apply today, and Noah's covenant applies to all mankind apart from the children of Israel. The sign of Noah's covenant is the rainbow.
If anybody is curious about these covenants, feel free to take a look at the following website:

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If anybody is even slightly curious about these covenants, they can get in contact with me at the below email address.

Kind regards

Daniel Daly
Canberra, Australia
email: saruviel@hotmail.com

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Subject: Tithing is a false doctrine

Author:
He Redeems
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Date Posted: 08:11:29 11/29/03 Sat
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If you have been taught that you must give 10% of your income to a church you must read this article. It will change your life. It will show you plainly that this is a man made doctrine using scripture and assumptions that do not apply to Christians under the new covenant.

Get free of this false teaching today and the pressure, guilt and condemnation that comes with it.

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Subject: visions of hell and heaven
Author: bob [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:48:26 05/09/03 Fri (12.166.1.4) <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.angelfire.com/film/visions/lastdays.html">http://www.angelfire.com/film/visions/lastdays.html</a> many visions of heaven and hell [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: The Atheist's Bible

Author:
MARS Attacks!
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Date Posted: 22:10:46 04/14/03 Mon
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i've got a copy of the Atheists Handbook.....anyone want it?...it'll drive the preacher crazy...it's a bombshell to the bible...a must have, just email me for it, free...Vampiresurfer@yahoo.com....i use it for quick references to thump bible thumpers on the head...leaves them looking like deer staring into headlights, right before you hit them...lol...don't know who made it, but it's a Christian's nightmare. i send it to many Christians too, they ask for it to challenge it, but i never hear from them again...or when i see them on message boards they ignore me, when i ask if they were able to challenge it...lol

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Subject:

FREE R.U.4.ME?Christian buttons

Author:
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Date Posted: 11:57:32 03/25/03 Tue
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Giving Honor to GOD members of ST. JAMES UNITED CHURCH,& FRIENDS.R.U.4.ME? is on a mission for Christ, we are giving away free RU4ME? buttons.They are nice to wear & they are a great witnessing tool.THE first thing people say is R.U.4.ME? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? R.U.4.ME? Is the questions jesus is asking & in that question is the answer.R.U.4.ME? YES LORD YOU R=ROSE U=UP 4 ME IS YOUR ANSWER AND QUESTION all in one. We ask for a $2.00 donation that will cover s/h & it will alow us to continue on with our mission from Christ.write to :340 A W.WASHINGTON CTR. RD.FORT WAYNE,IN. 46825 THANK YOU WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT IN SREADING THE MESSAGE.

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Subject:

S.O.S.

Author:
John
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Date Posted: 16:24:12 12/11/02 Wed
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My wife and I are Born Again Christians and it took me a while for me (the husband) to wake up and see the light. I recently quit my job, because I worked for a very sadistical person and he drove me into a nervous breakdown. He is a self proclaimed atheist and I just couldn't live like that anymore. I have a very loving family and my sanity and them are worth more than any amount of money. This person (my employer) has denied my unemployment and I havn't been able to find a job. We didn't have much for savings and have already sold most of what we owned including our animals are are about tapped out. My wife is physically handicapped and is not able to work. Our medication alone, besides the rent have drained us of everything. The Social Security Disability that my wife gets isn't very much and doesn't even begin to cover our living expenses. I recently tried to obtain a legal aid lawyer and she denied me her services due to the fact that I quit on my own. It is really breaking our hearts to loose everything that we worked so hard for, but we don't want to loose the roof over our heads. If anyone can find it in thier hearts to make any donations, prayers or suggestions of what we can do. It would be sincerely appreciated. May God bless us all.
My family and I
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Subject: ALL BAPTISTS MUST SEE THIS ! ! ! ! !! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Author:
TRUTH
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Date Posted: 19:54:37 11/22/02 Fri
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GOD's WORD DESTROYS EVERY FALSE DOCTRINE IN IT's PATH. UNDENIABLY.
AND IT's PATH IS THE ENTIRE WORLD !!!
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Subject: Our Christian Duty to Vote

Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 06:42:28 11/05/02 Tue
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Are Christians supposed to withdraw from the world or change the world? Christ told us to make disciples of all nations. One way we do this is to vote, and to elect candidates whose views reflect God's laws. We believers are not second-class citizens; we have a voice! Don't stay home on election day. Exercise your Christian duty to vote!

Many candidates for public office claim to serve the public but ignore unborn children who are killed daily by abortion. These candidates speak glowingly of human rights, but ignore the right to life. Be sure you know where candidates stand on abortion. After all, if a politician can't respect the life of a little baby, how is he supposed to respect yours?

Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, but to God what belongs to God. In this familiar Gospel passage, our Lord said the coin belongs to Caesar because it bears his image. What, then belongs to God? That which bears His image, namely, human life -- including Caesar himself! Let's vote for candidates who will uphold the laws of God.

Read what you need to know for the November 5 elections! Find helpful Christian materials to motivate others to vote! Visit www.gospeloflife.net and help others understand that believers have a voice in public policy.

Please help educate others about their political responsibility to vote pro-life by forwarding this message on to two or three of your friends or other mailing lists to which you belong. Thank you for helping to elect pro-life politicians. See you at the polls.

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Subject: Circumcision of the heart or circumcision of the flesh?
Author: Eliyahu [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:53:00 10/04/02 Fri (62.219.194.153) Bs"d Observing God's laws can LITERALLY be a matter of life and death. Read all about it here: <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.geocities.com/skinhim">http://www.geocities.com/skinhim</a> Eliyahu. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: 610 Gospel contradictions

Author:
Wayne
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Date Posted: 16:06:36 08/17/02 Sat
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SIX HUNDRED AND TEN GOSPEL CONTRADICTIONS

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The 610 Gospel contradictions presented are by no means exhaustive, but are enough to establish that when the Gospel accounts are compared to one another, not only do they lack in their alleged harmony, but in their so-called inerrancy, as well. For after one carefully considers the preponderance of this presented evidence, if they have any integrity at all, surely they shall know that to claim that God inspired the Gospel authors to record their accounts as they did is the equivalent of saying God is an incompetent author of confusion. For faith in God and faith in the Bible is not one and the same!

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Subject: A WARNING FOR CHRISTIANS1

Author:
BRI
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Date Posted: 21:26:29 07/06/02 Sat
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My fellow Christians, I have been compelled by the Holy Spirit to write to as many as possible to warn them against supporting the persecution of our brothers and sisters in the Holy Land. We are taught to love all, and yet today there is a great evilness in the world that seduces the innocent into unwittingly supporting the persecution of those in Christ in Israel. I will list two sources here and an excerpt that reveal that many are blindly allowing the persecution of our brethren in the mistaken belief that this what our Father in heaven commands. Please read the material carefully and then remember that God's children are those who do his will and know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. The following letter is from a Christian evangelist who spent a deal of time in the M.E. While it was writen some time ago, her message is even more relevant today, as the situation in the M.E. has degraded considerably since she penned her letter. Please read what she had to say very carefully:
Christianity and the Middle East

An Open Letter to Fundamentalist Ministers From a Member of a Christian Fundamentalist Church

By Kathleen Banks

July/August 1998, pages 82, 95

To ministers and leaders of the Evangelical or Fundamentalist congregations who support the State of Israel in its expansionist policies:

I am a member of a fundamentalist or evangelical church. Therefore, for some time I have been much troubled upon seeing your names listed in The New York Times (4/18/97 edition), or The Washington Post (1/22/98 edition) along with a number of other prominent fundamentalist ministers who are �joining together to support our Jewish brethren and the State of Israel.�

The articles indicated that your support for Mr. Netanyahu and/or expansionist Israeli leaders and governments is based on your interpretation of Revelation 7:3-8 and various verses from the Old Testament. I understand that you interpret these verses to mean that when the second coming of Christ is about to occur, the Jews on this earth will again possess all of the lands which were once theirs in the Old Testament.

These verses from the Old Testament you interpret to mean that God has a covenant with all Jews because they are the seed of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and David. (Genesis 12:17, Leviticus 26:44-45, Deuteronomy 7:7-8, David 7: 12-16, I Kings 15:4, Psalms 89: 34-37 and Psalms 105:8-11). In none of these verses is it said that this covenant is with all of the seed of these Jewish leaders and forefathers.

The Christians and Muslims who are presently living in Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza may be the seed of these Old Testament Jewish leaders as readily as the Jews who are presently living there, many of whom are immigrants from elsewhere. Many of the disciples themselves were originally Jews who lived in these areas. Would you not expect many of their �seed� to be there still?

Mr. Netanyahu and his government continue to build Jewish settlements on land taken by force and terror from the Palestinians, both Christian and Muslim. He and his government continue to seal off or blow up the homes of families in which one member is suspected of participation in any violent acts.

Suspected Christians and Muslims are deported or imprisoned for years without trial and are tortured while in prison. Christian and Muslim families are never given permits to enlarge their own homes no matter how many children they may have.

Taxes are exceedingly higher for Arab citizens than those for Jewish citizens, so high as to drive many Christians and Muslims out of business and/or their homes. Punishments for the killing of Christians and Muslims are usually so minor as to imply that their lives are worth nothing.

It has been indicated also that you base your support of Israel�s apartheid governments on your interpretation of what appear to be signs in today�s world that you think indicate the time for Christ�s second coming is near.

Christian villages have been taken over by terrorist tactics.

In the light of all the Christian as well as Muslim villages that have been taken over by means of the very terrorist tactics that Mr. Netanyahu and his government now decry on the part of the Palestinian extremists, and in view of the apartheid treatment of both Christian and Muslim citizens in the areas that are controlled by the Israeli government, would it not be more in keeping with the teaching of Christ to consider more carefully the words of Christ in Acts 1:6 and 7:

�When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.�

Time and time again throughout history, groups of Christians thought they had determined the time and the season by using the signs that are given in the New Testament, but each time they were made to look foolish when these words of Christ proved to be true.

We are told that part of your support for Mr. Netanyahu and his �greater Israel� government is based on Genesis 12:3 where God said to Abraham, �I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee...� God is speaking to Abraham, not to all of his descendants. In the words that follow, �and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed,� surely these words refer to the coming of Christ out of the seed of Abraham, not to those Jews who rejected Christ then and now, and continue to persecute Christ through persecuting his followers.

�Who Are My Brethren?�

In Matt. 12:48-50, Mark 3:33-35 and Luke 8:21, Christ (the seed of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and David) stated who His seed are when he said, �Who is my mother? And who are my brethren? And He stretched forth His hand toward His disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister and mother.�

Many fundamentalist Christians are following the lead of Christian ministers who are giving support to those very people who best fit the description of the antichrist. I am not speaking of those Jews who truly desire peace with justice in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, many of whom place themselves in great jeopardy by speaking out or writing books to expose the insidious pressures and organized power used as well as the horrible injustice and cruelty practiced by the Zionists in order to obtain their objective of a greater Israel. I am speaking of the Orthodox, right-wing, hawkish Jews, many of whom look upon Christians and Muslims as subhuman and not worthy of human treatment.

In Jewish History, Jewish Religion, Dr. Israel Shahak, himself a Jew, quotes this special curse against Christians from the daily prayer book used by many Orthodox Jews in Israel: �And may the apostates have no hope, and all the Christians perish instantly� (page 92). On page 93 Dr. Shahak says that a devout Jew must utter a curse when passing near a Gentile cemetery, and upon seeing a dwelling inhabited by people other than Jews must ask God to destroy it.

The Israeli government, in response to the demands of these Orthodox Jews, bans the use of the plus sign in mathematics because it resembles the cross.

Should not our Christian leaders consider the possibility that the remnant of converted Jews spoken of in Revelation may consist in part of the persecuted Christians in this area whose ancestors may well have been the earliest Jewish converts, or the Jews who (in a more Christian spirit) abhor the cruelty and injustice inflicted on Christians and Muslims by the Netanyahu government and other �greater Israel� motivated governments? Surely the latter are the more likely candidates for conversion.

Would it not behoove us to walk every day as if the second coming were going to occur on that very day by simply trying to live as Christ commanded, one aspect of which would be to support our fellow Christians and give comfort to them in their suffering even as we forgive the persecutors? Surely Christ would not have us support those who persecute them? By the latter action is it possible that we might be endangering our immortal souls?

Another book written by a Christian minister is Blood Brothers by Elias Chacour, whose Christian village in Palestine was demolished by Israeli soldiers. Pastor Chacour preaches forgiveness. Still another book is What Price Israel? by Alfred Lilienthal, a Jew who served the U.S. government in the Middle East during and after World War II.

In the report by the U.N. Committee Against Torture can be found the verification of the apartheid treatment of Christians and Muslims in Israeli occupied territories. In the May 9, 1997 issue of The New York Times the following quote serves to substantiate my statement regarding the use of torture by the Israeli government or the Shin Bet with the acquiescence of the Israeli government: �According to Israeli human rights organizations, in recent years about 5,000 Palestinians have been subjected to violence in detention annually.� Also the following: �Human rights groups claim that 80 percent of the Palestinians who are tortured are never indicted for a crime.�

If you are interested in verifying anything I have said by reading the sources from which I have quoted and cannot find them in your local library, they can be obtained from the Washington Report , P.O. Box 53062, Washington, DC.

May you be constantly filled with and governed by The Holy Spirit, acting in His wisdom and, as such, walking in His peace.

cc: Dr. John Hagee (Pastor-Cornerstone Church, San Antonio); Pat Robertson (Chairman, the Christian Broadcasting Network and President, The Christian Coalition); Oral Roberts (Founder & Chancellor Oral Roberts University); Bishop Charles E. Blake (Pastor-West Angeles Church of God in Christ, Los Angeles); Pastor George Morrison (Pastor-Faith Bible Chapel, Arvada, CO); Dr. Jerry Falwell (Pastor-Liberty Road Baptist Church, Lynchburg, VA); Ed McAteer (President-the Religious Roundtable); Dr. E.V. Hill (Pastor-Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church, Los Angeles); and Dr. David Allen Lewis (President-Christians United for Israel).

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Kathleen Banks is a Virginia-born teacher who retired in 1985 after teaching in both the United States and the Middle East.

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Here is a letter endorsed by several Christian ministers teaching in the Holy Land:
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Letter to Rev. Jerry Falwell
February 1, 1998

The Reverend Dr. Jerry Falwell
Liberty University
Lynchburg, Virginia

Dear Rev. Falwell,

We, Palestinian evangelical pastors serving among the Palestinian evangelical Christian communities in the Holy Land, write to express our concerns regarding statements that you made in January 1998.

On page four of the International Herald Tribune, January 22, 1998, under the title: Christian Right Backs Israel, the Herald wrote; "Mr. Falwell has said that he and several leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention told Mr. Netanyahu that they would mobilize evangelical churches to oppose steps to give up any more territory to the Palestinians, The New York Times Reported."

We, your brothers and sisters in Christ, prayerfully and in the spirit of love, appeal to you to reexamine your positions regarding Israeli policies in Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

We, who live and serve among Palestinians, grasp the harmful effects of denying over 3 million Palestinians living in the Holy Land and another three million Palestinian refugees who are in exile, the right to live in their homeland, the right to freedom and the right to statehood. This denial has been the very cause of much blood shed and suffering in the last five decades.

Please understand that our concern for justice for the Palestinians must not be interpreted as a rejection for Jews to live in security and peace in Israel. As concerned evangelicals, we are called on to approach these complicated issues with Christian compassion for both Israelis and Palestinians and to endorse only a settlement that addresses the legitimate rights and aspirations of both parties. We also condemn all acts of terrorism and aggression regardless whether Palestinians or Israelis are responsible for such acts.

Let us assure you, Reverend, that your statements are hindering the cause of Christ here in the Holy Land, throughout the Arab World (the home of about 250 million people), and throughout the Islamic world (over one billion people). Our task of sharing the love of Christ in this region is becoming increasingly difficult as our brothers and sisters in the West openly express sentiments and endorse policies that produce greater injustice and aggression against Palestinian Christians and Muslims.

Your call on evangelical leaders to write to President Clinton to express opposition to the current peace process, is disheartening to all who seek peace and justice. In the absence of a viable peace process, there will be renewed rounds of violence and the possibility of an all out war. By lobbying against any further Israeli troop withdrawals from the West Bank, you are endorsing the theft of Palestinian lands and adopting the dangerous position of Israeli extremists. To continue to carry out such excessive positions will sooner or later bring major disasters to all Israelis and Palestinians.

As evangelical pastors, teachers and theologians we understand that your positions on these issues may be motivated by your understanding of Biblical prophecies. We also realize, however, that while Christians differ as to the interpretation of Biblical prophecies, we all agree with the following Biblical mandates:

We are called to love all God's creation: "For God so loved the world ..." John 3;16. We believe that this love of God also embraces the Palestinian people, both Muslims and Christians. No man or woman can truly claim to love the Palestinian people, while at the same time, he or she uses every opportunity available to promote injustice against them. God's love cannot be expressed to Palestinians by supporting policies that result in their eviction from their ancestral homelands or by keeping Palestinian refugees stranded in refugee camps.
We are called to be peacemakers: "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God" Matthew 5:9. Your statements, Rev. Falwell, indicate that you have a greater passion to see Biblical prophecy come to fulfillment than to see peace and righteousness reign in this land.
We are called to seek justice. "He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God." Micah 6:8
Jesus Christ, after whom we model our faith and action, taught his contemporaries that justice and mercy are the most important aspects of the law.

Addressing religious leader Jesus declared:

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practised the latter, without neglecting the former." Matthew 23:23

Finally, Reverend, we pastors and leaders of most evangelical churches in Jerusalem and the West Bank serving among the Palestinians, wish to extend to you an invitation to visit us in the Holy Land. Come and be our honoured guest. We desire for you to travel with us down a modern-day Jericho Road.

We want you to discover for yourself the true victims of this conflict. We wish for you to draw near enough to hear the cry of the oppressed and see with your eyes the wounds of those who are crushed. We pray that you will not decide to walk by on the other side.

Sincerely,

Reverend Musa Abu Ali Bible Baptist Church, Beit Hanina
Reverend Alex Awad East Jerusalem Baptist Church, Jerusalem
Reverend George Awad Bible Presbyterian Church, Bethlehem
Reverend Bassam Bannoura Shepherd Field Baptist Church,Beit Sahour
Reverend Atallah Esawi Church of God, Aboud
Reverend Naju Issa Bible Baptist, Jericho
Reverend Munir Kakish Pentecostal Church, Ramallah
Reverend Ibrahim Mseeh Local Baptist, Ramallah
Reverend Botrus Mualem Church of God, Beit Jala
Reverend Magdi Anwar Missionary Alliance Church, Jerusalem
Reverend Nizar Tuma Nazarene Church, Jerusalem
Reverend Nihad Salman Church of God, Bethlehem

May we all live in Godly peace,
Bri

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Subject: Trailer park community for sale
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