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Date Posted: 20:36:40 03/27/17 Mon
Author: Knuit Holt
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 179.53.188.21
Subject: INTERETING POLLS ABOUT INTRUSIVE MANDATORY MEDICAL PROCEDURES ON CHILDREN AND TEENS



Interesting polls about events in childhood, teenhood and adulthood


Collected, edited and analyzed by Knut Holt

aquila_grande@yahoo.no

Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

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You can use these polls to tell your own history or the history of someone you know about.
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Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events

Memories of events that may be interpreted as alien abduction are quite common. Some may be from real abduction by non-human beings coming in strange flying vehicles.

Others may be actions done by governmental agencies or mafias for various purposes that have some of the same type of details.

Often one does not remember the abduction as such, but one remembers only some loose details during some kind of ordeal one has been subjected to.

I have made a poll to investigate these memories. If you have experienced something of the kind, please go to the poll and answar. All the answars will be lain out in the massage forum of the poll to be commented further upon.

The address of the poll:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524


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Extended mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia:

In certain areas the health authorities has begun to subject children and teens to extended well-child physicals where one performs several or all of the following procedures: inspections with optical scopes through all or several body openings,ultrasound examinations of most body structures, x-ray taking of joints, EEG and EKG. The kid is often given sedation or even general anesthesia during these extended physicals to make the kid cooperative and to hinder him or her from remembering. Still the kid will remember a lot of details around the procedures and sometimes also from the procedures themselves, because anesthesia never works perfectly, and the kid will always have some symptoms afterwards that tell a lot of what has been done. This poll has the aim of investigating experiences from such ordeals.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395

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Poll about cystoscopy:

By cystoscopy the doctor looks into your bladder with a long instrument. This instrument can be rigid like a stick or flexible. All age groups have cystoscopies. In some comunities a cystoscopy seem to be a mandatory exam at some ages of children and teens. These communities are probably not many yet, but this type of exam seem to increase in frequency, both for special purposes and for mandatory or recomended screening. This poll has the purpose of establishing a picture of the frequence of this type of exam in different age groups and the arrangements during the exam.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327

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Secret medical exams and procedures under anesthesia:

There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are. This poll has beenlaunched in several sesseions.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976

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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:

There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807


All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.


Knut Holt
aquila_grande@yahoo.no

http://www.abicana.com

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A FEW OF THE REPORTS RECEIVED AND ANALYZED FROM THE POLL ABOUT UNEXPECTED EXAMS

Girl, 10yo, bussed in group from boarding school for extensive inner exams

I am female. It happened in Western Europe, 2015 or later, 10 years old. The exam was announced as a necessary school examination for all kids.

We went there in a bus in group from our school to a special establishment used for these type of exams. All children in my school of the age group haf it.

PREPARATIONS FOR THE EXAM:
They washed my body before the exam.I was totally naked through all the procedures. I had to strip totally naked before the exam. I was placed to lay on my back with my legs flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices. I got IVs, tubes into blood vessels, in an arm. I got a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in my blood. I got a blood pressure monitor wrapped around an arm or a leg.

I got electrodes on my cheast, my stomach or hip region and my head. I got a tube or wire in through my urethra.I got a tube or sond in through my anus. The anesthesia only took away pain.

EXAMINATIONS WITH EQUIPMENT OUTSIDE MY BODY:
They performed an EEC (electroencephalogram) - functional test of the brain with electrodes on the head. They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on my chest and other body areas.

They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube. I had to do some physical work, like cycling or running on a threadmill when the ECG and breathing analysis was performed.

They examined me with an ultrasound device or something on my head or neck, my upper body, my stomach area, my shoulder area, my hip area and my legs.

They took x-ray pictures of my chest, stomach, shoulder area, hip area and my limbs.

They used electrodes to record the functions at my head, chest, belly and limbs.


They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device. They had electrodes at my genitals to record functions in this area.

EXAMINATIONS WITH INSTRUMENTS INSERTED INTO MY BODY:
They ispected the inside of my nose with a scope. They took specimens from my nose with a tube. They inspected the inside of my throut with a scope. They took specimens from my throut with a tube.

They inspected the inside of my urethra and bladder with a scope. They took specimens from my urethra and bladder with a tube.

They used a speculum in my vagina. They took specimens from my vagina with a tube. They inspected my vagina with a scope.

They inspected my anus with a speculum. They took specimens from my anus with a tube. They inspected me through my anus with a rigid scope. They inspected me through my anus high up with a flexible scope. They performed a full colonoscopy with a flexible scope.

They inspected me through my vagina with an ultrasound probe. They inspected me through my anus with an ultrasound probe.

The doctor explored my vagina with a finger. The doctor explored my anus with a finger.

They made an opening in my belly button or just under it and inspected the inside of my belly with a scope. They took specimens from the inside of my belly with a needle or tube through a hole in my belly button.


ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE EXAM:
I had IVs into blood vessels. I had electrodes on my head. I had electrodes on my body. I had catheter into my bladder. I had a tube going in through my anus. I had a tube going in through my nose or down into my stomach. I had a tube through a opening in my belly.

I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam. I just lay naked on the exam chair. We drove back with the bus.

THE SCHOOL I ATTENDED:
I attended public boarding school.

COMMENTS
The girl went through the exam recently and she is hardly older than 12 years old by now. It is possible that this report was made by her parents or somebody working at the school or had some connection with the ordeals.

The ordeal follow a standard procedure reported from several parts of the world, and seem to be parts of an international program. These ordeals have a long history, but has been gradualy modernized and made more comprehensive as the technological development has made it possible.

What differ most in these ordeals is the type and degree of anesthesia used. Often general anesthesia is used, but it is fully possible to do them only with some sedating medication plus local anesthesia without causing any pain. It seems that this is prefered at some places to avoid risks and to save time and expenses.

The program seems to be performed around the world on children in certain selected communities and schools and very often boarding schools.

Based on the report it seems that the children lay recovering at the exam table after the exam, forst with full intensive care wquipment, and then just naked, probably under a blanket.

The tubes she had after the main exam, were partly to help her body functions after the main procedure, but also partly to collect specimens of body secretions during some time.
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Boy, 10yo, NA, Extensive tests and inspections in all body areas

I am male. It happened in North America. Before 1970. 10 years old. We were told that we were going to be examined that day and we were told to lineup outside the office where the examination was going to take place. I was so scared. In an ambulance or special car from school. At the regular nurses or medical room at the school.


Preparations
All children of the age group in your community. The doctor and the nurse pulled down my jeans and my shorts and a doctor grab my testicles and fondled them and then stuck his finger up my ass as far as he could and he wiggled it around. God help me.

I got laxatives to clean out my stomach at the place where the exam took place. I got a traditional enema before the exam to clean out my stomach. I was totally naked through all the procedures. I had to take all my clothes off just before I got anesthesia.

I got IVs, tubes into blood vessels, in an arm. I got a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in my blood. I did not get any anesthesia. Hey grab me and put me down on the operating table and they put a mask over my face and they tripped ether into the mask.

External procedures:
They performed an EEC (electroencephalogram) - functional test of the brain with electrodes on the head. They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on my chest and other body areas. They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube. I had to do some physical work, like cycling or running on a threadmill when the ECG and breathing analysis was performed.

They examined my head or neck with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined my upper body with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined my stomach area with and ultrasound device or something similar. They examined my shoulder area with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined my hip area with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined arms and legs with an ultrasound device or something similar.

They took chest x-ray pictures. They took stomach x-ray pictures. They took x-ray pictures of my shoulder area. They took x-ray pictures of my hip area. They took x-ray pictures of my limbs. They used electrodes to record functions inside my head. They used electrodes at my chest to record body functions. They used electrodes at my belly to record body functions. They ued electrodes at my limbs to record body functions.


They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device. They had electrodes at my genitals to record functions in this area. They ispected the inside of my nose with a scope. They took specimens from my nose with a tube. They inspected the inside of my throut with a scope. They took specimens from my throut with a tube. They inspected the inside of my urethra and bladder with a scope.

They took specimens from my bladder with a tube. They used a speculum in my vagina. They took specimens from my vagina with a tube. They inspected my vagina with a scope. They inspected me through my vagina with an ultrasound probe.

They inspected my anus with a speculum.","They took specimens from my anus with a tube.","They inspected me through my anus with a rigid scope.","They inspected me through my anus high up with a flexible scope.","They performed a full colonoscopy with a flexible scope.","","They inspected me through my anus with an ultrasound probe.","The doctor explored my vagina with a finger.","The doctor explored my anus
with a finger.","They made an opening in my belly button or just under it and inspected the inside of my belly with a scope.","They took specimens from the inside of my belly with a needle or tube through a hole in my belly button.","

They stuck a tube up my urethra and gave me a cystoscopy. It didn't hurt except for the first 13 inches!"," They took the tube many feet long it was black and they stuck it up my anus is far as it could go and that was pretty for it you're going and going and going and going.

They held me inconscious for some hours","I had breathing tube. They gave me mechanical ventilation through the breathing tube. I had IVs into blood vessels. I had electrodes on my head. I had electrodes on my body. I had catheter into my bladder. I had a tube going in through my anus. I had a tube hoing in through my nose or down into my stomach. I had a tube through a opening in my belly. I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam.

I just lay some time in a bed to recover. I lay naked under a blanket after the exam. I had a hospital payama on after the exam. I had my underwear on after the exam. I gave them a very bad time and I said some naughty words and they spank the shit out of me it still hurts to this very day boy. They kept me overnight on your observation is that there.

I went to a ballet school or school as the main school. It was a parochial school with Nuns! Google real bitches! I had to wear a blue button-down oxford shirts with a tie a blazer dress pants and dress shoes the girls had to wear a blue button-down oxford shirts with ties skirts shoes and high kneesocks."



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Age 11yo

Boy 11yo, NA, North America, Called in for internal inspections in the 1960es

I am male. It happened in North America. Before 1970. 11 year old. Parents said I had a doctors appointment, no more explanation. My parents drove me to the exam at a health center.

All children with some kind of health problem seemed to be called in.

Preparations before the exam:
I was not allowed to eat ome time before the exam. I got laxatives at home to clean out my stomach the day before the exam. I got a traditional enema before the exam to clean out my stomach. I was given a gown but was naked under the gown in the time I stayed awake.

They placed me upon a simple examination table. I got IV tube into blood vessels, in a leg. I got a blood pressure monitor wrappep around an arm or leg. I got electrodes on my cheast. I got anesthesia through a tube into my anus that had effect on my whole body. I got some numbing and lubricating cream injected into my urinary opening. The anesthesia made me relaxed, but I was conscious.

Exam with outer equipment:
They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on my chest and other body areas. They took stomach x-ray pictures. They took x-ray pictures of my hip area.

Internal inspections:
They inspected the inside of my urethra and bladder with a scope. The doctor explored my anus with a finger.

Arrangements after the exam:
I had catheter into my bladder. I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam. I lay naked under a blanket after the exam. I stayed overnight in a clinic ward until the catheter was removed.

The school I intended:
I attended ordinary daytime school.

COMMENTS:

These kind of ordeals, where greater groups of children are called in for invasive exams taking a whole day or more, have a longt history, of which this is an example. The procedure seems to have been the same all the time, only that the equipment have got steadily more modern, and internal inspections made possible with the most modern equipment have been gradually added.

The experiemcer indicated that he got anesthesia through the anus. This is a method used sometimes. But in this case the anesthesia was most probably adminitered though the IV and contrast fluid for the stomach x-ray administered through the anus.

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Boy, 11yo, NA, North America - exam at boarding school

I am male. It happened in North America in 1970-1979. I was 11 year old. My parents drove me to the exam.

It happened at the regular nurses or medical room at the school. A selected percentage of the children in my school of the age group had the ezam.

Preparations:
I was not allowed to eat some time before the exam. They washed my body before the exam. I had to strip totally naked before the exam. They placed me upon a simple examination table. I was placed to lay on my back with steight legs and to lay on my stomach with my legs flexed down and spread.

I got a blood pressure monitor wrapped around an arm. The anesthesia made me relaxed, but I was conscious.

The procedures:
They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube. They took chest x-ray pictures. They ispected the inside of my nose with a scope","They inspected the inside of my throut with a scope. They inspected my anus with a speculum.

Ordeals after the procedure:
I just lay some time in a bed to recover. I lay naked under a blanket after the exam.

The type of school I attended:
I attended private boarding school.

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Girl, 11 yo, WE, external and internal tests at a Montessori School

I am female. It happened in Western Europe, 2010-2014, 11 year old. My parents drove me to the exam. It happened At a room in the school that was preliminary prepared for the event. It happened to a selected percentage of the children in my school of the age group.

Preparations:
I was not allowed to eat some time before the exam. I had to strip totally naked before the exam. I was placed to lay on my back with my legs flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices. I got a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in my blood. I got a blood pressure monitor wrapped around an arm or a toe. I got electrodes on my cheast. I got something to swallow for anesthesia.

External examinationa:
They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on my chest and other body areas. They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube. They examined my hip area with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device.

Internal inspections:
They used a speculum in my vagina. They inspected my vagina with a scope. They inspected me through my anus high up with a flexible scope. They inspected me through my vagina with an ultrasound probe. The doctor explored my vagina with a finger.

Arrangements afterwards:
I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam. I lay naked under a blanket after the exam.

Type of school:
I went to a Montessori school.

COMMENTS:

It seems to be common to let children at Montessori schools go through an extended physical like this. Probably all children at this school went through this type of exam, but at somewhat different ages depending on the development status.

It is also probable that the children at the school had a similar exam under anesthesia at the age of 6-7.

At Montessori schools one tries to treat children individually, but in order to do so, one seems to perform rather extensive psychological and physical exams at various ages. Since one can read very much about the development status of a kid from findings in the pelvic zone, this sone seems to be the most extensively assessed at these schools.

It is also possible that the school let some research project used the kids for their purpose, and that the school got financial support for letting the kids be used.

The thing reported as exam with a scope through the vagina was most probably an inspection of the bladder through the urethra, since it can be useful to detect some common bladder problems in children.

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Girl, 11 yo, NA, USA, possible abuse pretended to be medical exam

I am female. It happened in North America. 2000-2009", 11 year old. I was staying with relatives. my cousin took me to a friend's house, where they said they needed to do an exam on me. I was taken to a room with a table and a doctor. My cousin said all girls my age had to have it done. it was on the coast of California, at someone's house. he drove me there. I never told my parents. I saw photos of other girls there, so i know it happened to them too.

They washed my body before the exam. I mostly only had my underwear on the time I stayed awake. I was placed to lay on my back with my legs flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices. I was placed to lay on my stomach with my legs flexed down and spread. I got a breathing tube that provided anesthesia.

I got lubricating and numbing cream into my vagina. I got some numbing and lubricating cream injected into my anus. The anesthesia only took away pain. The anesthesia made me relaxed, but I was conscious. I was mostly awake during the procedure, despite anesthesia given.","

I walked into the room and they told me to take off my clothes down to my underwear. I sat on the edge of the chair in just my bra and panties. (I didnt know it at the time, but it was a gyno chair.) They gave me some gas, and put the tube over and covering my face, telling me it was to help me relax.

I remember i lost control of my body and fell back, but i was awake. I just couldnt move. I felt someone taking off my panties and then my bra. They put my legs in stirrups and i saw myself but i couldnt move.

External manipulations:
The next thing i remember is looking down and seeing someone with his nose in my vagina. I felt it, then i felt fingers inside me, around my vagina and my asshole. They were pushing harder and it started to hurt but i couldnt move. I remember someone recording it with a video camera, looking into the camera and feeling like i was drooling
at some point.

Someone lifted me and turned me around. they put a pillow under my stomach and i was bent over. I felt myself being licked and poked, i couldnt tell what, but it wasnt something big. I remember at least one of them kept smelling me, like really into me, and i remember feeling so embarrassed.

Internal manipulations:
They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device. They had electrodes at my genitals to record functions in this area. They inspected my vagina with a scope.

The doctor explored my vagina with a finger. The doctor explored my anus with a finger. I couldnt tell, I just could feel something like a finger sliding into me, in my vagina and my anus. When it started to hurt, they stopped. I think maybe i moaned when it hurt, so they stopped for a minute. I have no idea how long it happened. I know i could feel everything.

Arrangements after the exam:
I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam. I just lay some time in a bed to recover. I lay naked under a blanket after the exam.

I had my underwear on after the exam. Well i remember like waking up, and i was alone in the room. I was on my back again but i dont know how i got there. One of my ankels was in the stirrup, but the other was not. I got down and was really drousy. someone came in and handed me my jeans and shirt and bra, but they didnt give me my panties. I was too embarrassed to ask for them.

I just remember after getting dressed, my cousin took me to the car. we didnt say anything, and he drove me back to the house. I never told my parents. My cousin left the next day, and i didnt see him again for a few years. I never asked him about it. I attended private boarding school. It was a private middle school. I was on summer break, so we were staying at my aunt's house by the beach. my cousin took me out.



jsenn82@yahoo.com"

COMMENTS:

It is difficult to interprete this event. It may be that some people with medical knowledge did it all for their own sexual gratification and that they also took pictures and videos of the abuse.

It is however also possible that her parents had arranged with a doctor living in that house to do a thorrough exam because of some concern.

Still another possibility is that she was taken to be a guinea pig in some medical study, with or without the knowledge of her parents.

If there was some medially serious reason for this exam, the pictures and videos could be for some serious reason, but obviously the staff was careless with the handlings of the material. But pictures and videos are actually taken during this type of exams of children for further diagnosis and study.

The licking and sniffing could be a misinterpretation of something medically serious caused by the anesthesia, but could be just for sexual gratification of this staff.

In either case, doing such exams without explanantions is wrong.


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Girl, 11yo, Latin America, examination of chest and pelvic area

I am female. It happened in Latin America, 1990-1999, 11 year old. I was just told that I had my check up appointment with a new dr wasn't any different to other times. My parents drove me to the exam at a regular hospital.

Kids were randomly picked up at some place and led to the exam. I was taken to hospital like a big general hospital looked quite modern, and Pediatric part was friendly and sort of welcoming.

Åreparations:
I was not allowed to eat dome time before the exam. I was given a gown and kept underwear on in the time I stayed awake. The staff took my clothes of some time before the anesthesia had made its effect.

They placed me upon an advanced surgical table. I was placed to lay on my back with my legs flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices. I was also placed to lay on my left side. I got IVs tubes into blood vessels, in an arm. I got a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in my blood. I got electrodes on my cheast. I got a tube or wire in through my urethra.

I got anesthesia gas to breath in through a mask. I got some numbing and lubricating cream injected into my urinary opening. The anesthesia made me relaxed, but I was conscious. I was mostly awake during the procedure, despite anesthesia given. I was very dizzy and couldn't focus on anything really just heard and saw people doing things and had some feelings

Exams with external equipment:
They took chest x-ray pictures. They used electrodes at my chest to record body functions. They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device.

Internal inspections:
They inspected the inside of my urethra and bladder with a scope. They used a speculum in my vagina. They took specimens from my vagina with a tube. They inspected my vagina with a scope. They inspected me through my vagina with an ultrasound probe. The doctor explored my vagina with a finger.

The doctor explored my anus with a finger. I remember quite a strong burning sore sensation lasting quite a while but couldn't really say or do anything.

Arrangements after the exam:
I had electrodes on my body. I had catheter into my bladder. I just lay some time in a bed to recover. I lay naked under a blanket after the exam. I remember a nurse telling me I did really well and she took tbr catheter out and helped me dress. Then I went out with my parents.

The school I attended
I attended ordinary daytime school.

COMMENTS
This seems to be an extention of the anual well-child physical that is typically done at age 11 for girls and at age 12 for boys. These extended exams have been mandatory for some time in certain communities. In some other communities it seems to be recommended to the parents. In this case it seems to have been recommended and some of the parents opted for it. But these extended exams are neasrly never talked about in public media.

These exams is actually useful to detect fairly problems in the urinary system, genitals, digestive system, heart and lungs that can lead to symptoms and more serious problems later.

It is however a typical behavior of the health authorities not to tell the child what is to happen, and probably the parents did not get full information either, which is not good.

The girl probably got anesthesia with N2O-gas which gives relaxation, but let the kid stay awake. She possibly also got some anestetics into the blood vesels, possibly midazolam. A purpose of this anesthesia is to hinder memory, but this does not always work, at least not totally. This kind of secrecy is not a good thing.

Sometimes full general anesthesia is used during these exams, but this gives risks. The right ting to do is to give as little and simple anestesia as possible, just enough for the kid to feel comfortable, and without wiping out memory.

It seems like the electrodes on the chest was used to take EKG to check heart function, and also for monitoring during the exam.

Based on the answar they seem to have inspected all parts of her genitals, urethra and bladder. They possibly inspected all the way up to each kidney.


The catehter was probably inserted just after the urogenital exam.

Even though she do not record it very specifically, they also probably inspected her anus and lower colon with a flexibla sigmoidoscope. This was probably done after the urogenital exam when she lay on her side and she felt a burning sensation.

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