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Date Posted: 14:44:07 05/29/05 Sun
Author: Leif Erlingsson, heretic«
Subject: Mary, quite contrary
In reply to: Leif Erlingsson, heretic« 's message, "Well...." on 13:16:39 05/29/05 Sun

Mary, quite contrary, you suggested that LDS leaders are waiting for the right time to speak out. There are serious problems with this idea because the longer time goes the more difficult it will be -- not less -- to make the truth believed: ``When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic.'' -- Dresden James

Besides, LDS are today part of the problem, many of them being "Commissars" for the lies: ``You dont have any other society where the educated classes are so effectively indoctrinated and controlled by a subtle propaganda system -- a private system including media, intellectual opinion forming magazines and the participation of the most highly educated sections of the population. Such people ought to be referred to as "Commissars" -- for that is what their essential function is -- to set up and maintain a system of doctrines and beliefs which will undermine independent thought and prevent a proper understanding and analysis of national and global institutions, issues, and policies.'' -- Noam Chomsky

The truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and therefore of the State. In effect, telling the truth is a terrorist act against the State! ``In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.'' -- George Orwell

But if one is not speaking out when the freedom and liberties of others are removed, no-one will speak out when ones own freedom and liberty is removed. Many believe that it is even LDS policy to allow democracy to utterly fail and then take over power and form a theocracy.

In Nazi Germany, no-one spoke out. Well, a few did, but they were also sent to the camps. Do you suppose that the LDS leadership is planning on waiting to speak out until it will get them sent to camps? Already Amnesty International and others openly declare the Bush regime war criminals. (According to "prima facie evidence".) It is a matter of record that this regime tortures, murders, train torturers and murderers in their trade, imprison indefinitely without any charges, doesn't follow the GenÚva treaty on how to treat prisoners of war (Bush himself decided that in 2002 after our LDS friend Jay Bybee wrote that infamous torture memo to Alberto Gonzales), etc, etc. It currently has the world record in human rights violations, and the LDS "Commissars" I've been in contact with thinks that the US has a legal right to decide these things (whether to illegally go to war) irrespective of international law and treaties.

And why do so few LDS speak out? Because they are afraid to go against the Prophet. So, by not publicly speaking out, the LDS Church is in effect condoning what is going on.

Besides, once when an LDS leader was interpreted to oppose the war -- this was before it started -- within about 10 days there was a "correction" on lds.org "Message of Peace Misinterpreted". But there has never been any kind of correction, neither on the web or in conference, that those LDS who interpreted President Gordon Bitner Hinckley as condoning the illegal war "misinterpreted" him. To me this says loud and clear: The LDS Church supports this war, illegal or not. If the Church want to give a different impression they can easily do so, since it was so easy to correct the incorrect impression that they opposed it.

In this matter I think it absolutely essential to follow your own conscience and not that of a leader. ``What good fortune for governments that the people do not think.'' -- Adolf Hitler

Leif Erlingsson, heretic«.

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