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Date Posted: 10:15:51 08/08/08 Fri
In reply to:
Rodger Tutt
's message, "If you can’t love a god who lets anyone suffer forever" on 19:19:07 04/21/08 Mon
>If you cannot love a god who would let anyone suffer
>forever, you can copy and paste (if necessary) the
>following urls into the address bar and find out that
>a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible
>actually teaches universal salvation, not even
>annihilation.
How uniquely human and typically arrogant it is that we would attempt to create a god in OUR own image, rather than accept what is already stated in His Word. I am concerned that you are picking and choosing what you want to hear, rather than accept all that is there, and besides that, you are leading others into the pit. Please read carefully the following:
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
John 3:17-19 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:42-44 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
John 6:64-65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
It is clear from these verses that it is not true that ALL shall be saved. It is also true that it is God that gives the faith to believe on (in the Greek, it is more accurately rendered "trust into", as Noah trusted into the ark) the Lord Jesus. This is supported by the oft-quoted verse from Ephesians 2 that says...
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Knowing this would sound "unfair" to many who would read his God-breathed letters, God's apostle Paul also wrote this to the church at Rome...
Romans 9:14-24 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Finally, the Lord Jesus, when He spoke the parable of the workers in the field, said the following:
Matthew 20:15-16 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
I would ask you to consider these verses, tramble before God, and repent of your self-exaltation, to the glory of God alone. I would also ask to you to answer this question--if ALL shall be saved anyway, for what reason did the Lord Jesus have to die?
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