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Date Posted: 00:28:16 07/09/02 Tue
Author: sean
Subject: Re: From Brazil Again !!
In reply to: Adriano Quadrado 's message, "From Brazil Again !!" on 10:22:30 07/05/02 Fri

y HELLO EVERYONE! - SOUNDS LIKE THE FANATICS HAVE GOTTEN TO THE PREVIOUS WEBSITE - BUT DONT WORRY - THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL AND THE TRUTH WILL SET EVERYONE FREE - I FEEL SORRY FOR FANTATICS SUCH AS APP------ AND THE REST - I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM REALLY - THEY'RE WHOLE WORLD IS BEING QUESTIONED - OH WELL, I GUESS THEY WILL GROW UP ONE DAY! >be
>One of those experiences is happening now: I am
>leaving it behind.
>
>God bless you all. Thanks a lot.
>
>Adriano Quadrado
>Sao Paulo - Brazil
>aquadrado@hotmail.com
>
>PS - I will come back here to tell you other
>interesting stories (yes, I can speak now!) Keep
>reading, please.
>
>
>THE MATRIX
>
>When the movie "The Matrix" came out I was already on
>the path. So I could not really look at it in the
>right way. I loved it. And I thought I could use it as
>a metaphor for scaping from the oblivious ordinary
>life controlled by desire. There is much truth in
>saying people are controlled by desire, so that was a
>very nice metaphor indeed (it is still).
>
>But now, out of the center, I realize that the
>metaphor is much more convincing whem it is applied
>over the cult issue. The shock experienced by Neo (the
>protagonist of the movie) is more like the shock a
>disciple experience reading this forum. Neo had a
>really hard time when he discovered that he was living
>in bondage, when he saw that "reality" was not real,
>when he realized that he had no control over his own
>life.
>
>By the way, I ask you all to think again how it is
>extremely painful for a disciple to read all this.
>Nothing can be the same after reading this forum.
>Either you have hardly to compress all the facts that
>are presented to you into the "SC = God" law system or
>you have to completely destroy your belief system. I
>feel really sorry for the poor spies who are forced to
>read all this and also invent some answer for the
>unanswerable facts.
>
>As it is shown in the movie, the people who are in the
>system will fight to the death to protect the very
>thing that binds them. And it is surely not wise to
>try to wake up who cannot do it or do not want to do
>it.
>
>Yesterday I saw the movie once again, but from a
>completely different perspective. Below you read the
>last lines said by Neo, after he achieved perfect
>control over the Matrix. It goes like that:
>
>"I know you are out there. I can feel you now. I know
>that you are afraid. You are afraid of us. You are
>afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't
>come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came
>here to tell you how it is going to begin. I am going
>to hang up this phone and then I am going to show
>these people what you don't want them to see. I am
>going to show them a world without you. A world
>without rules and controls, without borders or
>boundaries. A world where anything is possible."
>
>God bless you.
>
>Adriano
>
>
>ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS
>
>Thank you, people, for your comments. I would like to
>answer to some of them.
>
>James said: "Do you really need someone else to help
>you cry for God? I think not! Does God really ask you
>to come to Him through someone else? I don't think so.
>Following another is really just a distraction, an
>escape of facing ourselves."
>
>Well, James, I do not think that having a master is
>necessarily bad. On the contrary, I think that having
>a true master may be something really cool. The
>problem is that we had a bad experience with the
>master-disciple trip. The truth is that we badly hoped
>that the "avatar of the ages" story would be true.
>Wouldn't it be great if he was really the avatar?
>Unfortunatelly he is not, so the experienced seems to
>be all wrong.
>
>Some may choose to have a master because they cannot
>stand the heavy world on their shoulders. It is easier
>to give the responsability of your life to someone who
>says that you do not have to worry anymore, that he
>will lead to the golden shore. Some go to a master
>because of a psychological weakness, or, as you said,
>as an escape of facing themselves.
>
>I dare to think that this was not my case. I came to
>SC because I was trying to reach God. And of course a
>path can give you "tools" to proceed. Just an example:
>I smoked for 10 years. I was pretty convinced that I
>had to stop, because it was physically and spiritually
>harmful. But I could not make it on my own, because
>when you are on your own you can postpone things for
>ever. But within the first month on the path I quit
>smoking. This is just a small and trivial example.
>
>A path, a spiritual comunity and a master can
>definitively help the seekers. A master is a guide, an
>inspiration, a way to go faster. He has to be.
>
>The only purpose of my life is still God. I had some
>experiences (on the path and out of it) that showed me
>that feeling divine love for all is the best thing in
>the world. It is pure nectar. I want to feel it again
>and stay there for ever. I don't want to have a wife,
>have kids, travel the world, go to parties etc. I want
>only God. That's why I stayed on the path for four
>years, even suspecting that there was something wrong
>with it. That's why I am ready to try another path and
>even to have another master if I think he will help me
>to feel the divine love again. Unfortunatelly SC could
>not do it. But the master-disciple dream must exist in
>a fulfilling way somewhere, somehow.
>
>The bad thing about being here on the other side is
>that it seems I will be next to those dudes who claim
>to unmake mind programming, brain washing; those PHD
>psychiatrists who read a lot and think they know
>everything about human beings; those atheists who
>think all the masters are just psychic vampires. I do
>not want to be next to them. I still believe in the
>realized master dream even if SC is a fraud and if my
>path, from now on, is to be on my own.
>
>Second comment. Btrascend said: "I hope you show all
>the disciples in Sao Paulo a world without the limits
>and boundaries of the prison called the Sri Chinmoy
>Centre!"
>
>As I told you, Btrascend, I am not sure that the
>people want to leave him. I do not want to bear the
>responsability for taking them out. Some people will
>stay with SC till the end, no matter what. So throwing
>this web site on their faces will only make them
>suffer a lot. Many people are not ready to scape from
>the Matrix. Many just don't want to. I think the
>people who are ready to be unplugged will come out
>sooner or later. In my case, as I said, I thought
>there was something strange, I searched for the
>answers. Let them search for themselves.
>
>The other point is that I think the SC experience is
>not useless. It was not useless for me. SC may be not
>"the" God. But he is also God, as everybody is. So
>everything is just fine. We came to the center because
>it was the experience we need. We came out for the
>same reason. Everything is in its right place and
>time. The truth will prevail. God is everywhere.
>
>Finally, we have Starananda's comment: "Chinmoy is not
>an avatar. He might be more enlightened than those
>under his guidance..."
>
>Starananda, this is the question that puzzles me, as I
>said before. Who is he? I know he is far more advanced
>than me in terms of yogic experience. That's why I
>cannot judge him. Maybe he is a positive master in
>some way, I don't know. At least, maybe he thinks he
>is. I haven't had a tragic personal experience with
>him. The four years I stayed in the center were
>useful. I became a better person: more mature, less
>egocentric. But I know he also hurts people.
>
>Maybe he suffers from the same problem which people
>say Alo has. People told me that Alo was close to
>illumination but then she fell. Everybody knows she
>claims to be realized (I heard she saying that), but
>it was totally clear to everybody that her
>consciousness was pretty ordinary. Of course SC is
>more than her and more than me. But has he got a real
>high realization? Maybe he thinks he is realized.
>Maybe he is not cynic. He really thinks he is helping
>the world. Who knows?
>
>
>TO ROSE
>
>Rose,
>
>There are three centers in Brazil: Sao Paulo, Rio and
>Curitiba. There are about 30 disciples. I haven't told
>anyone about this website. I have told only my friends
>ex-disciples. Everybody who read it changed his point
>of view.
>
>But I tell you that I do not want to contact the
>others because I think a person should take care of
>his own life. One of the things that bothered me in
>the center was that I had to recruit others to the
>"path", not knowing if it was better for their lives.
>I do not have to do it anymore. I do not want to be
>responsable for changing other people's lives anymore.
>
>The infos are here for everybody to know about them.
>This is the internet, the most democratic medium and I
>think people should seek the truth for themselves. I
>did it. They can also do it.
>
>Also, as I said to Btrascend in another post, I am not
>sure if the people want to leave him. Some people will
>stay with SC till the end, no matter what. Many people
>are not ready to scape from the Matrix. Many just
>don't want to. I think the people who are ready to be
>unplugged will come out sooner or later.
>
>When I was on the path, I was instructed to get new
>disciples. Now I do not want to work on getting
>ex-disciples! I just want to let it go. I gave all the
>SC stuff away: photos, CDs, books. I just cut
>everything off. I don't care. I don't want to spend my
>time now thinking about the "dark side", complaining
>about it, trying to publicize this website, creating
>the "anti-manifestation-team-work", even guessing that
>this one is indeed "infinitely better and happier"
>than the regular one. :-)
>
>The other thing is that I believe that the center
>experience is not necessarily bad or useless. It was
>not for me. They can learn good life lessons staying
>on the path. And even if they get hurt, maybe this is
>the right thing for their human and spiritual
>development.
>
>Now I am not sure anymore about "the will of God", so
>I do not want to interfere in other people's lives. I
>am not sure. Thank God! I do not have to be "sure"
>anymore. As I said, life started to be mysterious
>again. And that's nice.
>
>Finally I do believe in God, so I know he is going to
>take care of everything. I understand that he may use
>some of you for the anti-manifestation war. But I know
>this is not my task here.
>
>Anyway, the addresses of the Brazilian disciples are
>in the directory. If you want, you can send them
>letters.
>
>I spent many hours reading this forum, thinking about
>everything, making big decisions in my life, wrinting
>my own posts. But now I want to let it go. The path is
>no more in my life. Just that.
>
>God bless you.
>
>Adriano
>aquadrado@hotmail.com
>
>PS - Maybe I will change my mind about it. Now I can
>freely change my mind...
>
>
>ABOUT CRYING FOR GOD
>
>About crying for God. In spite of SC being a false
>avatar or whatever, I think that crying for God can be
>a good way to reach The Supreme Dude, as well as any
>other method can work nicely too. It is true that we
>have everything within us, but crying for God may be a
>way of convincing oneself about that, like a trick to
>undo the "magic", the feeling that we are separated
>from God. We can cry, we can pray, we can become a
>shaman, we can sing, we can meditate on Shiva, on
>Jesus, on us, anything. There is nothing on earth that
>is not an instrument of God.
>
>Even Chinmoy. Yes, he is, even if he is doing it in a
>way he could never imagine. I don't think we should
>necessarily discard everything he said. He told us
>nice things about the Vedanta philosophy and those are
>true, or, at least, can be true for a particular
>seeker. Every seeker has to find his own way. For
>some, the Vedanta philosophy (not chinmoy-ism, because
>it is not really his) may be useful. So it can be good
>to meditate, pray, wake up early, run, sing, do
>selfless service (the real one, towards community),
>avoid meat, and even be a celibate for the ones who
>this practice is really a blessing not a curse.
>
>Well, now updating the Brazilian scenario. Four people
>left the center because of this web site. I mean, I
>was the first one to come to know about it. I told a
>friend from Rio about it and he left too. I also told
>many ex-disciples, some of them were feeling guilty,
>as if they have fallen from some real nice path due to
>"vital" problems or something. One of these
>ex-disciples from Curitiba infomed two other people
>about the stories here and they also left. So we are
>four until now and all the ones who became
>ex-disciples before this website are with us. We are
>planning to meet this month to start a democratic
>group of seekers, at least a nice group of friends. We
>are also thinking in ways to tell the disciples who
>remain there, but they are avoiding us as if we were
>crazy dark lethal devils, so it's tough. I am very
>happy that Cristina (Plavita) wrote for the first time
>on this forum and I encourage others to do the same if
>they feel like it.
>
>Finally I copy bellow one of the "prayers" that were
>given by SC in the last Xmas Trip for you to see how
>it is possible to use the name of God to control and
>manipulate people, in this case to make disciples fear
>to contact "hostile forces" that are talking about
>some shocking sex stories ("absurd gossip" !!)
>involving the master. Here you are:
>
>
>"My Lord, some friends who have
>Betrayed me and are no longer with me
>And some friends who are still with me,
>But mix with them and talk with them
>And receive wild and absurd gossip
>And spread it all around,
>What shall I do with them?
>My child, your time is extremely
>Precious on earth.
>Throw them out of your heart.
>Throw them out of your mind
>And throw them out of your life
>Immeadiately.
>You do not need
>These so called friends."
>
>
>Sorry for the bad memories. But I thought you guys
>would like to know about it.
>
>God bless you all.
>
>Adriano
>aquadrado@hotmail.com
>
>
>I AM SORRY FRIEND
>
>I am sorry, friend, but I think you did not understand
>my point. I am not being egocentric here. You do not
>know my disciple-friends here in Brazil and certainly
>you do not care for them as much as I do. They are my
>friends, my true friends. I love them and I respect
>them. Just because I love them I am afraid of doing
>something that may interfere in a experience they
>want/have to go through.
>
>Perhaps I was not clear enough. When I said "I don't
>care" I was refering to my own attitude towards SC. I
>do not want to think about him. I don't want to spend
>my time in some reverse devotion, focusing my energy
>in destroying his "mission". I honestly do not hate
>him, far from it. My experience was not bad. I learned
>something.
>
>But I do care for my friends. I care so much that I do
>not want to destroy an experience that they decided to
>have. I take the responsability for my own experience.
>I do not think that I was fooled. I had what I was
>looking for. And I guess they are in the same position.
>
>I guess. I am not sure. And because I am not sure I
>will do nothing now. Maybe, as I said, I will change
>my mind. But now I do not want to do anything. And it
>is so great NOT to be sure.
>
>The other thing is that I did not lose my faith in
>God. I trust him so much that I know he will take care
>of my friends. Please, understand this. You may not
>believe life works that way. But at least believe that
>I believe it. I do believe that God gave me an
>experience with a false master and that he released me
>when he thought it was enough. I trust God. I do.
>Blindly.
>
>Btrancend said when we were disciples we tried to
>bring others to convince ourselves about the avatar
>tale. I totally agree. But now I am so certain about
>my decision that I do not need my disciple-friends to
>leave with me so that I can be cool with my decision
>to take off. No problem, man. They can be there if
>they want. I still love them. I care for them. But God
>cares much more. I think he will do a better job than
>me.
>
>But this does not mean you are wrong to anti-manifest.
>The ones who are so sure about the anti-manifestation
>task just go ahead. You guys have the international
>directory to tell everybody about the website. Just do
>it.

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