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Subject: Re: New poll (Nebula v Nebulon) Author: capn hayes [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 02:50:23 10/20/02 Sun Author Host/IP: NoHost/207.14.48.2 In reply to: Warspite 's message, "Re: New poll (Nebula v Nebulon)" on 13:45:39 10/17/02 Thu I'm not saying that you or your data on the shuttles is in wrong. Although on ocasion Trek writers screw up on their technical data, which can lead to faulty dialog. You are right on about all your information, no arguement. But what I was trying to get across is that none of your examples proves that a TIE is in anyway out performed by a shuttle. While I agree that any FTL ship has a way out in combat and could use it as an advantage to escape and evade. I have never seen examples like the ones discribed where it would be useful in the middle of a dogfight. I also admit that TIE's in ANH don't look all that maneuverable onscreen and YES Lucas did actually base the dogfighting sequences in all of the Star Wars movies on actual WW II aerial footage. But that is artistic representation not based on real tactics. I'm quite sure that if TIE's went up against SPADS or F-15's they would realy spank them hard! The same could be said of Trek shuttles, they could probably take out an entire airforce ID4 style. The point that I was tring to make is this, it seems unrealistic that vehicles that were designed for transport would stand much of a chance against vehicles designed for dogfighting and attack. I should have been more generic in my examples earlier. If we were to assume that Star Trek/Wars are about equal in technology, most evidence does point to this conclusion with both cultures developing different technilogical advantages whe compared to one another, i.e. Hyperdrives, Holonet, Transporters, lightsabers, phasers, etc. But over all they are about equal in most repects. Yes there are subtle differences but otherwise they would just be coping off one another. We love/hate them both for the differences. Shields can be regenerated backup quite rapidly on Star Trek/Wars ships we have seen this on TPM with Artoo restoring the shields on the queens ship. We have also seen this little trick employed on more Trek episodes than I can count, hell the Enterprise has backup shield generators just for that reason. This could acount for Luke and Artoo's miraculous good fortune at withstanding the TIE's laser cannon shots. I say this because at other times we the TIE's blow the crap outta the rebel fighters with ease. While this realy seems more like the Hero factor at work than good marksmanship. Anyway if you watched the [DS9]"Maquis pt2" episode I was talking about you would notice the ship I was talking about. I beleive part 1 has the type 8 phaser reference I was talking about. Sorry sometimes this stuff takes a while to recall, after all that episode aired in 1994. While they may look awkward onscreen TIE's aren't, as FX get better the ships get a lot more maneuverable. I'm quite sure that the shuttles in the early TNG episodes are more maneuverable than they look. But shuttlepods aren't remember in "In Theory" [TNG] when picards pod losses its IDF/SIF fields that thing explodes from what looked like a casual spin a car could survive doing donuts on a icy parking lot. See how visuals and dialog can be confusing. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date Re: New poll (Nebula v Nebulon) Warspite 14:50:35 10/21/02 Mon