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Date Posted: 04:32:19 08/27/02 Tue
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In reply to:
capn hayes
's message, "Re: star wars vs. star trek tech. 2" on 01:58:41 08/27/02 Tue
>>>>i believe that star trek technology will go through
>>>>more changes than star wars has in the last 20000
>>>>years of its existence. case in point
>>>>1. star wars galatic civilization is about 20000
>>>>years old, and yet has not united the galaxy in one
>>>>giant republic. where are the older civilizations?
>>>>are there any?
>>>>2. the collective group known as the federation has
>>>>gone through more technological changes through the
>>>>short 300 years of its existence than most
>>>>civilizations go through in about 500 years (compare
>>>>b5 before and after intervention.
>>>>3. drive system has gone through amazing leaps from
>>>>the earlier intrasystem jumpdrives they call
>>>>hyperdrive to a theoretical model of transwarp drive
>>>>in about 300 years.
>>>>4. working model of surface capacitance in st,
>while
>>>>still trying to figure out how it works in sw.
>>>>5. two proton torpedoes and one a-wing broke
>through
>>>>defenses and shields of a ssd to totally
>incapacitate
>>>>ship (i still shudder at this)
>>>>6. inability to track starfighters.
>clarification:
>>>>when the computers are fast enough and powerful
>>enough
>>>>to regulate several large fusion generators,i.e.
>>>>particles within reaction chamber are traveling at
>or
>>>>near c=300000000 meters per second; then calculating
>>>>and eliminating starfighters should be a cakewalk.
>>>>7. ion drives are not more advanced than impulse
>>>>drives. in fact have the ability to warp space and
>>>>then "pushing" off of it encompasses more concepts
>>(if
>>>>it were true)than just propelling excited molecules
>>>>through an exhaust.
>>>>8. really a gripe about ep. 1 of sw prequel . if
>>>>you have a little knowledge about economics then you
>>>>should have recognized how outlandish the republic
>>>>currency not being valuable on tatooine should have
>>>>been. the old republic like the united states has
>>one
>>>>of the most robust economies available within the
>>>>galaxy. now you tell me that a civ. whose currency
>>is
>>>>traded on 3/4 of galaxy is not valuable on even a
>>>>remote planet like tatooine has got to be nuts.
>>>>9. in the han solo trilogy, we find out that
>>>>antimatter is very experimental. meaning it's used
>>>>only in the laboratory on carida. when you consider
>>>>that antimatter is closely related to fusion
>>>>generation, then you begin to question huh?
>>>>9. if you've read federation by judith and garth
>>>>reeves, then you know that some of the ideas of it
>>are
>>>>really outlandish but possible. zero point energy
>>>>extraction (primitive version would be the buzzard
>>>>array),transwarp drive beyond transwarp (sidewarp
>>>>factor and sidespace),a centralized computer system
>>>>and an artificial contruct such as data (in sw realm
>>>>there is only guri) extra galactic travel.
>>>>10. the ability to travel in multiple universes, and
>>>>have the ability to create portals to other
>>universes.
>>>>
>>>>11. since 4000 years ago during the rise of the
>>sith,
>>>>not one innovation has been made in terms of tech.
>>>>they still use solar sails even when they have
>fusion
>>>>generators (huh?)oh sure, you have improved mapping
>>of
>>>>the galaxy via hyperspace routes, but i can't seem
>to
>>>>see any more improvements beyond the occassional
>>>>improvement such as a type of computer chip, etc.
>>>>i'm not saying that the star trek tech is more
>>>>advanced than star wars tech, but for its
>age(approx.
>>>>20000 year space civilization) it should have
>already
>>>>surpassed many of these concepts ages ago
>>>>(concepts=pseudo-science). in fact they should
>>>>already be on par, or just below what would be
>>>>classified as ordinary for the voth, but the sw
>>>>universe is backwards and really slow in terms of
>>most
>>>>of their technology and the rate of change.
>>>>in essence the new republic ships should have
>>>>shattered the yuzhang vong during its first
>>encounter.
>>>
>>>I also think the SW universe has had little progress
>>>in 20000 years. Give the Fedeeration 20000 years, and
>>>you won't know what hit you!
>>
>>Give the Fed's (lol) 20,000 years of evolution they
>>could probably beat out star wars then because they
>>are more explorative the anyone in star wars is.
>
>
>First of all except the fact that the Federation
>really has not progressed significantly in the last
>100 years. So how much further could they go up the
>technilogical ladder? Along way before they reach some
>of the levels in Star Wars. Geordi admitted that to
>Scotty in "Relics" I mean Transwarp has been on the
>starfleet R&D drawing board for the last 80 or 90
>years. and it is still only a theory. But this is a
>two edged sword Star Trek has some advantages over the
>Empire like transporters and the associated tech like
>replicators and holodecks(which seem to be the only
>real breakthrough in the last hundred years). Besides
>Politics and necessity can play a big part in how a
>society develops technology. There are places in
>Africa and South America and Missouri were the way of
>life hasn't changed in 1000 years. In our country it
>has only been the last century that we have progressed
>technologically and most of that in the last 50 years,
>out of nearly 10 Millennia. So does that mean in like
>a couple of years we'll have colonized the moon? No
>cause it aint necessary. So maybe in Star Wars
>Technology peaked and then leveled off. Even in Star
>Trek people still eat with a fork, sleep in a bed and
>wipe their, weel you get the idea. After when we watch
>a Star Wars movie we're only getting a tiny 2 hour
>glimpse into a Universe that has existed for over a
>thousand generations. Yeah I know it aint real but
>neither is Star Trek damn it, work with me here.
I will have to disagree with some notion. Their has been a few advacments. (Transphasic Torps, Ablative Armor, spoons, blankets and the like) what the "Feds" need is another devistating blow like we suffered during WWII. During and shortly after was the big advancements in technology. Trek considers DATA and ultimate acheivement where as he has the same or a little less capabilites as 3po unit minus the emotional aspect. Plus the touched on the expansion of the mind in "All Good Things" and in ST: IX Insurrection although it wasn't as evident in IX.
They need a real enemy that will encourage them to expand their technology to the limits. Hopefully they will make a decent enemy in the next movie assuming this isn't the last.
my point: Give them time and a reason. thus 20,000 years is a long time
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