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Subject: Increase female education in Enga for progress.


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pngean
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Date Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2006, 08:40:49pm

There is clear evidence that female education is positively correlated with a country`s progress.

Engans have been labelled as the worst offenders in suppressing women and abusing women in PNG. This is partly from culture and attitudes. Even tertiary educated male Engans who should know better are also contributing to this problem. This need to change.

I think if Enga wants to change we need to change our own homes first. I strongly belive this starts with an educated mother, may not be tertiarty level but up to senior high school. This can be archived in many ways but I want to propose this:

Lower the pass mark for females students entering high school in Enga and leave 50% of all high school places in Enga for females in Enga.

peace

pngean

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pls explain
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Date Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2006, 10:44:44pm

why lower the pass mark...do u think women are not capable of attaining a "pass mark" or is there some other reason for your comment?....

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pngean
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Date Posted: Fri, Jun 16 2006, 11:13:00am

There is a minimum grade that you have to obtain to pass, right? I mean the minimum mark to be obtained for eligible to go onto high school be different from male students. For example take an arbitraty figure of 60% or better to go onto high school. For female students consideration should be given for students scoring at 50-55% to go onto high school.

Every student is capable fo scoring pass marks, no doubt about that. But the reality in Enga is that more male students go onto high school than females. I do not have the statistics, thats from my observations and experience.

The reason is that this will allow more females going into high school and in 10-20 years down the line Enga will have females who have at least reached education to high school level. It is the women in who do everything, from family matters to microeconomic activities and bringing children to the hospitals when their child is sick. A better educated and literate female Engan population will do alot more than what we can imagine.

peace

pngean

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pls explain ( karma)
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Date Posted: Fri, Jun 16 2006, 12:18:19pm

Glad to hear that you believe every student is capable of achieving a pass mark.

I don't believe lowering the "pass mark" will ever create gender equality in schools/communities. In practice, gender equal opportunity exists when people with similar abilities reach similar results after doing a similar amount of work over the same period of time with similar amounts of support.

The reason more men attend High School than women is more to do with "sterotype" attitude ie....women are "homemakers" and men are the "breedwinners" and thus the need for an education. This attitude still exists world wide.

Attitudes can change within the family unit, by both parents supporting each other and encouraging children (female/male) to do their best in all aspects of life.

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pngean
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Date Posted: Fri, Jun 16 2006, 01:28:27pm

Attitudes can change in families by both parents but how do expect the parents to support their children, especially a female child if the parents they themselves do not have that minimum level of education to change their own sterotype attitutes.

Allowing more females to be educated is one way to `actively` promoting gender equality. You will agree that it is not fare to male students but I see that we should actively facilitate gender equality and not passively let it develop.

If you have better suggestions lets hear it.

peace

pngean

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karma
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Date Posted: Fri, Jun 16 2006, 04:01:43pm

sorry, but wasn't make suggestions, was passing my views and thoughts.

I'm certainly not against education, especially for women, was just stating (my views) "why more men than women are attending school"

Also, I don't believe that just because a woman or man is not "educated", they unable can't change direction for their children. Reading, writing, maths are skills that we learn in school. But learning also comes from life experiences and our surroundings.

peace as well to you :)

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[> Subject: Re: Increase female education in Enga for progress.


Author:
Kandepen
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Date Posted: Fri, Jun 16 2006, 11:19:03am

I am a female educated in Enga, Gr1-10. I competed with the male counter parts. And I was one of the top students during my time. I always believed in myself and always strived for the best. When it came to the classroom I took everyone as students regardless of gender, family background, place of origin, religion and what next. We were taught by the same teacher(s), had access to the same library, ate from the same mess. The difference was, I put in a little exra effort everyday.
The point I am trying to make is, females have to change their mentality. That mentality that I am a woman and so long as I get married to an educated man. Tell you what, today I earn more than my husband and I can provide for the family even when he is not around. That mentality by females that 'man istap, why worry', has to stop. Times have changed. Today, your paper talks, regardless of gender.
Therefore, again you and I have to go back and educate our young sisters, daughters, cousins, niece, and female friends alike. We (females) can't wait for men to change their mentality, we have to change our mentality and prove to the men that we all can work together for a better life. Ladies friends do not take me wrong, when I say this I do not mean that we should have a 'I don't care type of attitude toward' males. Men have a place that God has put them in, that must not change. For example, at the family level let your husband do the talking in public, but you can contribute by giving him ideas when you discuss at home.
So, ladies let's do our part by putting in time and effort in achieving things. From experience, no effort will go wasted, you will reap the fruits eventually. So, let's put our efforts in the right things, those that will make us better.

Cheers.

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Author:
pngean
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Date Posted: Fri, Jun 16 2006, 01:13:41pm

Kandepen, I agree with your remarks. Females also need to change their mentality and attitute.

I think the only way that can be done is if you are educated well to a level where you can make those decisions by seeing what is happening around our society in our villages, towns, cities, the country and the world at large and how they affect you.

If however you are not educated to that level where you can see things and make those important decissions than I am afraid we may not see attitude and behavior change.

Education is the key.

peace

pngean

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Author:
Kandepen
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Date Posted: Fri, Jun 16 2006, 07:14:48pm

I would say that education (formal) is necessary, but does not help when one does not know what they want. By that I mean that we all should have some basis from which education can take on from. If females themselves do not have a purpose in life and do not know what they want, how can they value education. Education should be something that should be a process that we should enter into to take us through to achieve our goals in the end. For example, if a young lady wants to be a nurse, she would look for ways to become one, and she will know very well that to be one she has to go to school, and eventually through the different stages that will land her in a nursing college. However, if she does not know what she wants to become, she will only be taking a joy ride wasting her parents money only to say that 'mi pinisim grade 10'.

So, in order to help our little ones you and I need to educate them too, to set goals in life, stress how education can help achieve their goals and so on. Without this they will not know any better.

I still believe that you and I need to be the agents of change, first in our families, then our communities and the province as a whole. If we all can play that part of a change-agent we will definitely help change our society from man-is-man to man and woman can work together for a better life.

Having said that, I believe that even if there was no such thing as education I would still be successful as a subsistence farmer because I believed in hard-work as a child. So, what I am saying is, even female colleagues should have goals and purpose in life and look to education to help them achieve these. Education cannot be forced on females. They must want it. They will not be any better than their belief and value systems.

I do agree however, that education helps to improve understanding if we will let it.

Cheers.

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Author:
larsen
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Date Posted: Thu, Jul 10 2008, 11:45:40am

PNGean, Karma and Kandepen;
it is pleasing that educated engan elites such as you are determined to discussing essential issues of major concern to enga, which is supported. if this spirit is still alive, may the discussion be rekindled.
the Kumul Scholars International Convention discussed such issues under the emblem: 'PNG Women in Development: 21st Century and Beyond' in Canberra, Australia last week. many scholars(academics in australia) and practitioners (attached international organizations) who were involved, commended initial progresses of some projects in the country and thus, supported these projects be expended to other parts of the country.
http://clubs.anu.edu.au/clubs/PNG_Canberra_Students_Association/assets/documents/KSI/Convention_2008_program.pdf
(http://clubs.anu.edu.au/clubs/PNG_Canberra_Students_Association/ksi.php)
Dr. Charla Yala (kompiam-ANU/png national research institute) expressed that notable gap between female and male students’ enrolment (male student enrolment higher by more than 1/3 percentage) be thoroughly examined and expressed formally. i supported Dr. Yala’s view in a presentation by a pngean PhD woman candidate (Velepat Tuaru).

(i)a submission containing the recommendations of the convention will be presented to the png regional development forum and other government forums. These recommendations would be adopted as new development policy or re-enforce existing development policy of the country (and eventually be funded).
(ii)Engan women can engage in some of these projects. if appropriate level of enthusiasm and determination is expressed, these projects can be extended to enga. Need a congregation for engan women in enga and demonstrated support from people and the provincial government.
Is/are any one of you eager to work on some initial tasks? Or any other engan woman/women living in enga interested to participate. Essentially, above all, it is to help engan women to seek an expanded role in the public space and commercial sector to help develop enga.

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Author:
Kandepian Wane
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Date Posted: Tue, Jul 15 2008, 06:39:46pm

Fellows,
Regardless of gender you'll achieve if you have a goal and purpose in life. There is not much excuse now if you are determined just like female Kandepen is saying.
I see Engan women are more agressive and charismatic who can lead over others. Take a look at Scholar Warai, Janet Sape and Anda Cathy Kakaraiya in the political arena in PNG among others. What is stoping the rest?
I believe women are equal to men and can be better achievers in many ways. Come on ladies! break the barrier and live up to the promise and expectations.

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Author:
larsen
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Date Posted: Tue, Jul 15 2008, 09:24:43pm

this issue is a problem that exists hence corrective practical measures need to be undertaken to solve it to improve livelihood of those affected, as all are not equally capable.

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Author:
Hwaters
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Date Posted: Wed, Jul 16 2008, 11:37:19am

To all females....if you want gender equality, then compete and earn it, nothing will be given to you because you are female....I know of many enga women engineers, 2 pilots, and some lawyers, one of them is my own cousin-she is a top lawyer and earns more than me.....if these girls can do it, I believe every other girl can do it too.....If you need motivation, see the movie "GI Jane" featuring Demi Moore, this will show you what it is like to compete.

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Author:
karma
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Date Posted: Wed, Jul 16 2008, 05:16:27pm

This is not about the ability or intelligence of girls/women or that women are not achievers, women are the back bone of any society.

Women are often unable to excel outside a home environment
and unable overcome the obstacles that prevent them from achieving life to the fullest or overcome poverty if inequality exists within a community. This also applies to men in the community where funding or resources for basic education is not available. Women can be further disadvantaged due to unfair systems, past cultural practices and attitudes towards women as having low status.

There are thousands of women in PNG that have very successful jobs, whether they are teachers, nurses, Doctors, secretaries, retail assistants , cleaners, cooks, whatever, these women are often the sole income earner for the family. This have been achieved by attending school, working hard, dedication but more importantly their jobs have been achieved by being given the opportunity to attend school through funding provided by either family, federal or provincial governments or through scholarships or additional training through employers.

There are of course many thousands more women and men out in the community that do not have an education because they simply have not been given the opportunity to attend schools.

Education and in particular literacy are the foundations of providing girls/women with access to information which will benefit the women and the family directly

I can understand your reference to the movie G. I. Jane, where in Jordan O’Neill became the first women navy seal officer, O’Neill had to go to extremes to achieve that position. But remember of course, O’Neill does live in USA.Education in USA has compulsory school attendance is mandatory up to High school level. Education also starts at kindergarten level. Funding is provided to everyone, everyone is equal when it comes to education, and every child is given the opportunity to attend school.

Education in PNG is not compulsory, schools are unknown of in remote rural areas, funding is not always provided by Federal or Provincial government, some parents have little or no income for additional fees or school books. Girls from families with little or no cash income will never be given the opportunity to attend school.

We come from humble beginnings and some where along the track, if you have a education and a well paying job, I ask you “where did it all begin?”

Some where at some point in time you have been given the opportunity to attend school, the drive to achieve comes from within, but to be able to attend school that comes from other sources!!! money, money, money, governments, churches, scholarships, etc.

Unfortunatley not everyone in PNG has the opportunity to receive an education and girls/women are disadvantaged.

Illiteracy rate among the female population in remote rural areas in 1997 was 85%...maybe someone has more up to date figures.

Cheers

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[> [> [> Subject: You've Hit the Nail On the Head, Karma!!


Author:
Wambe
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Date Posted: Thu, Jul 17 2008, 01:34:35am

I like your detailed explanation. And I guess you hit the point straight with whats' causiing all these drawbacks on females.

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