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Subject: Engan Population at risk


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Sambe Wane (timing_boom)
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Date Posted: Sat, May 26 2007, 10:14:27pm

There's a rumor that one of our Engan politican is suspected HIV-AIDS victim. If it is true Engan population is on a timing boom now. he is a womanised person and he had sex with all the pretty Engan girls. I saw he did it.

Sambe wane

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Author:
wanauku.........mende
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Date Posted: Sun, May 27 2007, 05:51:20am

Hey Sambe wane,
Thanks for ur posting. Atleast you have let us know about it for our sake. For the ppl like me who have gone and and are making up mind to come there to participate in the election must be very cautiuos.

The Engans are not blind and deaf...........these pretty young gurls should have not done it. Are they looking for money or laik kisim bikname olsem ol i frenim wanpela politician? There is enough fertile land, why not get the butts down to the ground and do something productive than to cripple their bright future. Why not being creative.........make bilums and stuff like that. If they know how to fuck, why not making the correct decision?.... we all know what is right and wrong. Anyways, people are different. They have their own reason to do things.

For this politician, if he knows that he is a victim then, he must not pretend. A good leader have good leadership qualities. Good Leadership qualities are:
1. being honest
2.kind
3.christian
4.attend to ppl's need and
there are many you can think of.

Thanks.......
Sapakali

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Author:
Pita Ip
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Date Posted: Sun, May 27 2007, 07:41:19am

She wanted to taste it so I gave it to her. I didn't know I had HIV/AIDS. How was I to know. It was not my fault. She made me do it. Mummy help me

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[> Subject: Re: Engan Population at risk


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Namba lakans
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Date Posted: Sun, May 27 2007, 08:15:43am

yeahhhh, I had all the Sambe Malyams too.

heh, heh, heh.

Namb lakans

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Author:
Sambe Wane (Eagles Eyes)
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Date Posted: Sun, May 27 2007, 02:42:45pm

Hi. Namba Lakans

You and your bro the politicians were voted for benefit and prosperity in Enga. If you intentionally did it then nature will reward you. Bro must know that the reputation for your entire tribe has been spoiled and after him there's no leader from your area and thats full stop. Engans are naturally scientists and at the same time they share a common culture and if they want to exlude you, well thats no question mark. go to hell or either rubbish bin, you and your HIV/AIDS carrier.

Eagles eyes

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Sq. 009-
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Date Posted: Tue, May 29 2007, 11:24:01am

Sambe waneo,
isi na relax. Ask one of your old bubus at home.
Apulins are the best tribe in enga. in the old days
all the parents wanted to send their sons and daughters to
apul sq.009. they are the best anyhwere and they have never loos form yet. They are gaining everday.
YOu can see that apulin tribe alone can provide to enga
some top politicians like K. Talyanga and Mathew Parep.
YOu can prove that in 1997 election, Ipatas won and the second ru-up was parep who was a apulin-tanjen and the fourth was talyanga. Enga love the apulins. They are born leaders and are the chosen people. We can even produce the defence secretary. YOU lousy sambe should not compare with a big boy in the field.
We are very good at this game and we will definitely win this election 2007....both in lagaip pogera and enga regional.

ol tok pawa em mipela ya.

Apulin sq. 009

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Author:
alphonse k. malipu (Let us be clear...)
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Date Posted: Tue, Oct 21 2008, 06:38:15pm

Always remember that we need each other more than we think. Among Opones there is no trait that divides us more than the sense of mutual love that bind us- the love that compels us to reach out, to share, to serve and to lead. Now Mathew, Kundapen and Peter are all good persons just as all those who are born into other clans of the tribe of Hela. There are many more good Opone wanes and wanakus out there who have also demonstrated competency to take both responsiblity and lead in a multiplicity of areas such as in the civil service, politics, business, community empowerment, education, medicine, other technical and scientific fields, justice and the peace and in the Lord's ministry. As a united force we stand as one and demand that each one of us reach for our own inhert potentials to contribute to the common cause, not only for the province's cause but for the world were we live in. We need to look out for each other, to support one and another and suffer together. Remember that Opones are supposed to embrace as their apparel the ideals of respect, digity, credibility, and honour (not blind pride, prejudice and greed). Bickering and divisions are just as clear, they deny us progress, prosperity and happiness. What happened to all our wisedom, counsel and instruction from the hakyail anda? In case you may not know where these were passed down from, they were from kairin karenge kamango Gote, haii-tauwe. How can we be misplaced in our times when we have confirmation from the written Word of God and a better promise through Jesus Christ, the kamongon kamongo as our Opene's prophesy has taught us- the idea of yailya-tok so soon. I belive there will never be a better time than now to turn the page and face the world as one.

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Passer-by
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Date Posted: Fri, Dec 19 2008, 09:49:37am

Sq 009, what can you do to add to that list of yours?

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[> Subject: Re: Engan Population at risk


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Namba Lakans (Apul Power)
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Date Posted: Sun, May 27 2007, 05:27:01pm

Sambe wane, so you are saying they are not Engans? You know, simpletons like you shouldn't go around spreading jealousy and envy because Peter Iapatas's tribe defeat your tribe in all aspects of life in Enga.

If you take back your shallow pride and look deeper you will see that Peters' administration is responsible for substantial development activities in Enga. He is responsible for your education too. Of course, despite the fact that Ipatas is a womaniser and has allocated a lot of contracts to his own Tapi Transport. PI's administration is the only administration since the begining of modernisatin in Enga that has truly done an incredible job in the province. Look at the past leaders like your own Paul Torato. What foot prints has he left behind? He is an old timer who does not know what politics is. He has nothing to show. If you are that concerned for Enga, Why are you jumping on the crazy bandwagon that is trying to put him back in the province's top seat?

All of us educated Engans should educate our people to put in the right leaders in this GE. At least Engans should give credit where credit is due. Peter Ipatas should be given credit for what he has done for Enga to date. And if we are to replace him, Let us someone better to replace him with. Someone who can build on from where Peter Ipatas left off.

Namba Lakans
APUL POWER!!!

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Sambe Wane (Eagles Eyes)
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Date Posted: Sun, May 27 2007, 09:09:55pm

Apul Power

This is a sensitive issue, you were off on the track and caught up with politics. I did not support Paul Torato whom I dont know him as well. True Ipatas was a good leader. Now can you see, he has brought this very remarkable development that will kill and even ruin you and your family. Can you suggest some creative strategies here so that we can survive this human crisis initiated by ur or my leader, (if it is Ipatas?)

Eagles Eyes

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[> Subject: Re: Engan Population at risk


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Malipine Onotange
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Date Posted: Sun, May 27 2007, 07:09:41pm

When i first entered UPNG, every engan boys knew Peter Ipatas had HIV/AIDS coz Ipatas himself told the guys not to screw any of the engan girls at Uni as he speared them all with his Lombapai. Well, the point here is this news is not new....and Ipatas told the boys coz he cares for the Engan boys....We don't have to blame Ipatas coz girls search for him to be partakers of his fame.

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[> Subject: Re: Engan Population at risk


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Wanpela Meri
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Date Posted: Sun, May 27 2007, 11:21:10pm

If he knew he had HIV/AIDS then it is HIS responsibility not to 'spear' them. Did he tell all the girls that he was HIV positive? If not, in some countries that can be seen as attempted murder.

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[> Subject: Re: Engan Population at risk


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Apul Squad 9 (aka namba lakans)
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Date Posted: Sun, May 27 2007, 11:49:44pm

Peter Ipatas did not tie their hands and legs and rape them. All Enga people knows that our governor has AIDS. Why are the young ladies going after him? The answer is very simple, they want to die. Why are we all worried about them? Let them all die.

Lets not blow hot air here. What you and I should worry about is the up and coming generations of Enga, our children. Peter Ipatas has done a fine job with the province so far with what little he could do. Let's all get rid of him now and put in somebody better. Not the same old outdated and traditional leaders.

TO Sambe Wane: Kaim, my apologies for digressing a bit. I take back my stupid remarks. We all have a common goal and that is to see our province progress out of the backwaters it has been buried in for so long.

Obviously, Peter Ipatas's admininstration has done some good for Enga and we should give him credit for that. People keep saying that the school fee policy was Malipu Balakau's initiative but Peter implemented it.

The most important thing here we all should note is that more Enga children who could not have afforded the school fees have benefited from it. They are the ones that will uphold the Enga name in all walks of life and it is for this reason that we should give credit to Peter Ipatas.

Apart from that I think he has also done immeasurable damage to the province in terms of allocating contracts to himself and his political cronies hence he should be removed this GE. But, like I said above, we must replace him with a better alternative for Enga. Not just any 'Old Bomb' with nio track record in the province.

Apul Squad 9
(aka namba lakans)

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[> Subject: Re: Engan Population at risk


Author:
In the know
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Date Posted: Mon, May 28 2007, 09:12:41am

Peter Ipatas is smart. He didn't want any competition from the UPNG boys so he said what is said to disguise his intentions.

The naive UPNG guys at the time could not read him well. No wonder smear campaigns and conspiracy has reigned high.

Peter Ipatas is perfectly healthy and is full of stamine, drive, energy as ever.

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[> Subject: Re: Engan Population at risk


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pngean
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Date Posted: Wed, May 30 2007, 05:00:50pm

The HIV/AIDS status should not be used to discriminate, pre-judge or assissinate the character of a person, even on internet sites. There are international and internet laws which govern the use of such information as the HIV/AIDS stautus of individuals.

PNG is a free country and everyone has a free mind free and will to choose, including choosing to have unsafe sex with a known HIV positive person.

You reap what you sow.

peace

pngean

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[> Subject: Re: Engan Population at risk


Author:
Wanpela Meri
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Date Posted: Wed, May 30 2007, 05:30:37pm

... agreed... as long as the individual tells his intended partner about his HIV status.

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Author:
wanuku mende
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Date Posted: Wed, May 30 2007, 07:43:01pm

You are right, West Engan...........I agree with you.
See there is no evidence of this issue it is all guessing....."might be or may be" It would have been better if Sambe wane have a video taken of this PM who have spoken saying he is a victim and shown the gal who have been screwed up by him..........I think we better stop here and talk about something that can make Enga a most lovable place.............

S apakali, Awain blut

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West Engan ((PoYaKo))
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Date Posted: Wed, May 30 2007, 07:12:30pm

Hey, Hey, Hey

Every discussion here tends to point finger at Mr Ipatas. How did you it's him ?, From which hospitals he was tested HIV Positive ?, Which doctor declare Mr Ipatas HIV Positive ?. State your facts first before lashing out at your own descression. I have heard this same rumour four years ago and did not paid much attention to it because there was no evidence to prove it.

I have seen him recently on one of his tours and mate I can tell you, he healthier than what he used to be before.

The author of this Subject Mr Sambe Wane, you will have to tell us who is this MP ?. It could be Kappa Yarka or Dickson Maki, etc.

There is only one proof to it and that is; "If one of the Girls that has been screwed by the MP has been tested HIV Positive and willing to come out publically and have the courage to speak up. Other girls will follow in the same suit as it's always the case we read in the newspapers.

Peace
West Engan PYK

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Wanpela
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Date Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2007, 06:01:58pm

Well i screwed him and i didn't catch anything..i am perfectly normal so The man is not HIV positive...he can be seen as a pamuk man but he his smart. He wont go for sluts, he will watch and taget his prey carefully before he choices to sleep with them. His prey always in most cases end up to be young innocent girls. He did that to me..

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West Engan PYK
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Date Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2007, 06:21:59pm

Wanpela,

I sympathise with you, Hope all our wanakus who had been screwd by the man can admit on the same token so that we cannot raise a premature alarm

West Engan PYK

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Eagles eyes (Pii aigi_og)
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Date Posted: Fri, Jul 06 2007, 11:20:41am

Wanepela

That is a very good suggestion if He really did what is predicted. I suggest if other elites from Enga can come up with more of such ideas rather than hidding it. We don't know it might kill the entire population of Enga. Prevention is better than curing. TOKOUT ...TOKSTRET.

Eagles Eyes

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Author:
AMOTLS
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Date Posted: Mon, Oct 27 2008, 01:41:21am

Engan Population at risk .................Sambe Wane, I am truly saddened to read that you are indirectly/directly refering to a certain politician. Suspecting someone in relation to their HIV status is all up to you but publicly discriminating them is illegal.

There have been rumors that a certain politician is HIV positive and up till now, these are still mere speculations. There are more proper channels to come up with HIV awareness campaigns. Sambe Wane, your method of HIV/AIDS awareness is not the correct way. You have publicly & single handedly discriminated a particular human being. In support to what West Engan has stated; could you, Sambe Wane provided your homework results i.e. 1. Which woman died as direct result of sexual contacts with this politican 2. Which hospital has confirmed the politican's blood results as HIV positive 3. Which other people are living with the HIV virus as a result of sexual contacts with the politican.

Some people have had enough discrimination so far enough to destroy them....................just let them be.

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Kanopate
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Date Posted: Tue, Dec 02 2008, 08:13:53pm

How do you guys know this polie has HIV?

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Dr
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Date Posted: Thu, Dec 18 2008, 10:20:58pm

Kanopate,

I know the polie has HIV because he continues to get his antiretroviral treatment on a monthly basis through a private clinic. Don't stand up for him, unless he has tried you and you reckon he is clean.

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Not standing up for him you ass!!
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Date Posted: Fri, Dec 19 2008, 01:45:06pm

Hey mate, I dont live in PNG so I'm asking a fair question. That's his life so dont be an asshole!

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Dr
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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 22 2008, 10:58:55am

Mate,

You living outside of PNG does not exclude you from this polie's potential to lure you. Actually you could end up high on his hit list due to your overseas status. You sound like an easy prey for this all too powerful Polie. I've shed some light for your benefit. Beware mate, as it is common knowledge Engans living overseas especially down south go crazy when they come home and end up doing crazy things.

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Barking up the wrong tree
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 24 2008, 10:57:10pm

If you legitimately know his got it then sure your comments wont take long to be substantiated. If he dies who gives a shit anyway! You seem to bark up the wrong tree here mate. Fix your governor if you're a true doc!!!

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Dr
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Date Posted: Fri, Dec 26 2008, 07:32:04pm

Kanopate,

How did you know the Governor was infected, stop speculating here and shut your mouth. I only said a certain polie was infected. It's not hard to track you down, you could be taken to task for defamation and your little overseas education will wilt and your ass fried if the governor decided to pursue you. I treat patient's with all sorts of sickness but HIV has no cure so for those good Engans be careful.

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tony
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Date Posted: Tue, Dec 02 2008, 10:33:33pm

Guys, i'm surprised to say the least. I thought we were smarter than this 'litiyok' pii's. The forum is not for my sambe apulinipi's tribesman to debate about their differences or affiiations at home. If you want to get too personnal, go home and join the warriors in the battle field.

FYI, Enga came to know about Apulin's existence, only yesterday. If it was not for the other tribes like the Awains and Itapun's, then APULIN tribe would never make it to the top. You should give credit to these tribesman to put you up there amongst the top on the Enga's map. Tell you what, No-one knew about your tribes existence before the 90's, even though we live in the outskirts of the provinces capital???

I qualify to make this statement , becase I was around when these people paved way for the tribe.

The man himself has spoken loud and clear... all in action. I am yet to see an Apulin being raised to power, business or whatever, so please talk real. NOKEN APIM BROS NATIN..

The timing is right to talk about HIV/AIDS but pin-pointing at individuals is utter non-sense, un-called for by professionals who are future leaders of Enga and PNG.

Don't we have other issues to discuss here as elites of our respected tribes and province???

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Date Posted: Mon, Dec 22 2008, 09:38:22pm

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African communities talking sex, AIDS and pictures
Dr T. SCARLETT EPSTEIN OBE reviews “Pictures in AIDucation” a pictorial book by African author Dr Edwin Mavunika Mapara that puts a face on the HIV AIDS virus*

A PICTURE is indeed worth a thousand words and seeing is believing for anyone who picks up this book! Visualise the invisible and picture the unpictureable.. Yes, this book manages the impossible.
Its African author, Dr Edwin Mavunika Mapara, is an international celebrity as a result of his medical contributions in the battle against HIV/AIDS that went on both in Zambia and Botswana. He uses a set of pictures developed by that invaluable charity TALC (Teaching Aids at Low Cost)
Much of what Dr Mapara discusses about the role of various African tribal cultures concerning the spread of HIV/AIDS will ring a bell with PNG readers. But his pride in traditional cultures doesn’t stop him speaking out about the “culture of silence” which doesn’t allow people to talk about sexual intercourse, sexuality, the penis, the vagina, the anus, or even death itself.
He laments that the spirituality in African culture hasn’t been given its due place on the debate relating to HIV infection and AIDS. This omission has helped feed the wrongful belief that HIV infection and AIDS are the punishments handed out to pagans and prostitutes. Worse, some African faith communities even stop AIDS sufferers from taking their lifesaving medication, suggesting that prayer is the better option! The same elders encourage men to have more than one sexual partner, which only heaps petrol on the fire because promiscuity is what fuels the rapid spread of HIV infection.
Dr Mapara rightly criticises the superimposing of Western-originated HIV/AIDS awareness programmes on developing societies which often clash, challenge or totally ignore local culture and custom. With the severe socio-economic impact of HIV and AIDS, he stresses the importance of encouraging local initiatives from the affected societies. He proudly notes that the HIV infection and AIDS projects in which he was engaged in Zambia and Botswana were all designed and organised by local African consultants who worked together with local communities and achieved positive results. He blames the lack of imagination in making HIV infection and AIDS visible to communities throughout developing nations for the early high infection rate.
Pictures in AIDucation were not initiated in Africa by local or foreign experts but initiated by young Africans who wanted to know what HIV and AIDS was all about. This AIDucation puts a face on the virus; encouraging debate and experience sharing about sexual matters between facilitator and community members. Thus, communities are empowered to run their own programmes.
At first there was quite a lot of opposition from doctors, who thought the use of pictures to be “radical and controversial” and elderly traditionalists who initially considered the pictures as un-African and which broke age-old taboos by encouraging sexual discussions. However, the positive results of using pictures in AIDucation - such as the critical questioning of the controversial cultural practices that were spreading HIV infection - have led to it being accepted not only as a national policy in Botswana but also win international acclaim.
Dr Mapara makes the point that that every picture tells a story, a critical lifesaver in Pictures in AIDucation. Pictures in AIDucation are vital not only as part of prevention efforts but even more so to ensure care for those who are already victims of HIV or AIDS victims.
The book includes 24 pictures and useful discussion guidelines with each of them. I include here four of these pictures to give the reader a better idea of what these pictures show.
If you’ll excuse the pun, this novel approach and its wealth of pictures offer something that money can’t buy: the experiences of those in Africa who paid a price of pain and sorrow to learn what others in PNG can now do by simply reading...and appreciating...this remarkable book. It would make a great Christmas gift! Have a word with Santa.

Pictures in AIDucation: African Communities Talking Sex, AIDS and Pictures, by Dr. Edwin Mavunika Mapara,2008 , Trafford Publishing , North America & International, 181 pages; quality trade paperback (softcover); catalogue #07-2591; ISBN 1-4251-5757-2; US$19.21, C$19.21, EUR13.13, £9.92
The book can be purchased on line from the publishers http://www.trafford.com/4dcgi/view-item?item=22039 or from www.Amazon.co.uk

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