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Subject: Adam Dunn, David, Ray


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Karnack
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Date Posted: 11:34:22 04/04/05 Mon

Name three guys that are OK with Pedro being a Met today.

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[> Subject: Steroids, Strike, Selig


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Murray
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Date Posted: 12:30:33 04/04/05 Mon

What are three excellent reasons to no longer follow Major League Baseball?

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[> [> Subject: Soil, Murray and Win Case


Author:
Phillip Bailey
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Date Posted: 13:17:50 04/04/05 Mon

What's an alternative named for my 70s band - Earth, Wind and Fire(d).

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[> [> Subject: Death threats, corruption and fans that chant "Osama"


Author:
OC'91
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Date Posted: 08:29:33 04/05/05 Tue

3 recent reasons among sooooo many to thank the good Lord above that we aren't inundated with international soccer news.

If soccer is your game, Murray - fine.

But don't act like MLB is all that much worse than any of the other pro sports leagues. If nothing else, futbol leads the way in corruption, greed and double-standards. MLB simply doesn't have the smarts to learn its lesson from international soccer failures.

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[> [> [> Subject: yeah..i don't think players here are killed....


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Dad
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Date Posted: 08:58:44 04/05/05 Tue

...like the guy who allowed an 'own goal' several years back...

even buckner gets forgiven...eh, ray?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: yeah..i don't think players here are killed....


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SOJ
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Date Posted: 09:46:15 04/05/05 Tue

And Dad is wrong about players not getting killed here. There have been more than one or two cases where athletes have been killed for messing up a betting line.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: name one...


Author:
Dad
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Date Posted: 10:19:50 04/05/05 Tue

...not in the sac, i hope!!!!

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[> Subject: Re: Adam Dunn, David, Ray


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SOJ
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Date Posted: 09:44:47 04/05/05 Tue

"If nothing else, futbol leads the way in corruption, greed and double-standards."

Sorry, that statement is just absolutely false. Most soccer leagues are regulated far more strictly than any American pro sport. It's probably the least corrupt of the major world sports.

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[> [> Subject: That statement has a lot of backing


Author:
OC'91
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Date Posted: 11:39:30 04/05/05 Tue

A sample of some headlines from a "soccer corruption" Google. Comments follow these stories.
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BRAZIL: "BRASILIA, Oct 3 (2000,Reuters) -- Brazil's Congress launched this week a special investigative commission into corruption within organized soccer, which has been swamped with accusations ranging from tax evasion to mishandling transfers of players, lawmakers said on Tuesday."

SLOVENIA: Post-Socialist Football in the Balkans: a Charade
"Ozren Podnar reports... The usually peaceful Slovenian soccer scene was shaken by bribery accusations launched by a local politician against the national team manager Bojan Prasnikar and the Mura football club director Zeljko Fundak.

Miran Vuk, a former players' agent and currently the chairman of the municipality of Zavrc, told Slovenske novice diary that he had to pay 10,000 Deutsch Marks (around 5000 euros) to Prasnikar to secure the first team slots in Maribor football club for his clients Nastja Ceh and Marko Kmetec, both later to become full internationals."

CHINA: Corruption critic Zhao Junzhe voted China's Footballer of Year
March 16, 2005 BEIJING (AFP) - Liaoning captain Zhao Junzhe, a leading critic of corruption in the Chinese game, has been voted Footballer of the Year. The midfield maestro took the top honour despite slamming the way the troubled Super League was run last season, the state's Beijing Daily Messenger said, citing the China Football Association.

Zhao, 26, became the first player to openly criticize corruption and match-fixing in the league when he threw away his captain's armband and stormed off the field in a league match last September. "We have to discipline ourselves, especially in such a bad soccer environment," said Zhao at the time. "I should not have been so impulsive as to throw away my armband, but I just want to stand up for my integrity." A CFA official cited by the paper said "his integrity brought extra points for him". Shenzhen Jianlibao coach, who led his team to the inaugural league title, was voted coach of the year, the paper said, adding that an official announcement was expected at a later date. Zhu was recently appointed China's new national coach.

The league faced a near boycott last year due to the CFA's reluctance to implement market-oriented reforms and stamp out corruption. Sponsors have stayed away in droves this year, forcing authorities to postpone the start of the season from March 5 to April 2.

CZECH REPUBLIC: Czech local court hands out first soccer corruption sentences

The Czech Nymburk district court Tuesday convicted the country's lower league soccer referees Vaclav Sulc and Josef Lorenz of corruption.Lorenz was fined 10,000 crowns (about 440 US dollars) and Sulc received a six month prison sentence with 18 months conditional release. Both men were found guilty of taking bribes in lower soccer leagues and were banned from the game for two years. Lorenz appealed the verdict on the spot, but Sulc would not appeal. Both, however, continued to proclaim their innocence and said that the case was trumped up. Judge Vaclav Krejcik said in his verdict that the evidence was undeniable.

The case broke a year and a half ago when Libice nad Cidlinou soccer club captain Radek Vana agreed to a bribe in favor of his team with one referee for 500 crowns (about 22 dollars). The bribe was then filmed by a Czech Television crewman posing as a club sponsor reporter with a secret camera. The Nymburk case was the first of a series of corruption incidents to rock Czech soccer. Several first and second league clubs have been hit with heavy fines and point deductions, while a number of top referees and club officials have been charged and banned from the game. ($1 = 22.845 crowns)
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These were just a few...the stories go on and on and on.

Look - I really don't have anything against soccer. But I have to laugh when some get into arguments about prefering one sport over another based on the behavior of certain pro organizations.

I won't argue that perhaps some or many soccer organizations might have stricter regulations...but a good many don't.

And the level of corruption and problems is just as high and in some cases exceedingly more so than MLB.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: That statement has a lot of backing


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SOJ
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Date Posted: 12:18:17 04/05/05 Tue

"I really don't have anything against soccer. But I have to laugh when some get into arguments about prefering one sport over another based on the behavior of certain pro organizations."

My point exactly. I'm not the one bashing a sport because some corruption goes on. That was you. It happens....and comparing MLB with soccer as a whole is inane. You're comparing one league with thousands of leagues all across the world. If pulled stories from every nation in the world there'd be plenty of corruption stories to go around...except nobody but Americans and Japanese care about baseball so that's not really possible.

So compare MLB's stance on discipline to the English Premier League or FIFA's International guidelines. I don't think MLB is going to be handing down 9 month bans for missing a drug test anytime soon. Their attitude against cheating just isn't as strong as the EPL's.

That being said, I'm pumped about the baseball season. Play ball.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: That statement has a lot of backing


Author:
Ray
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Date Posted: 12:43:42 04/05/05 Tue

And Cubans.
Dominicans.
Venezuelans.
Mexicans.
Koreans.
Even Canadians.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: That statement has a lot of backing


Author:
SOJ
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Date Posted: 13:59:41 04/05/05 Tue

Venezuelans
Mexicans
Canadians

Like I said. AMERICANS...meaning people from America. Like Mexicans. They're from Central America. Venezuelans are from South America. Canada is just above the United States in North America.

You could include the Cubans and the Dominacans as Latin Americans...but I could have been more specific.

So the only one I missed was Korea. Toss them in there too then.

The only people who care about baseball are Japanese, Korean, and American.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Heinous


Author:
Ray
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Date Posted: 20:04:10 04/05/05 Tue

I think they're all a bunch of duck shooters.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Heinous


Author:
David
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Date Posted: 20:53:34 04/05/05 Tue

What a goober. Shootin ducks with a BB gun in a public park.

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[> Subject: Duck Hunt


Author:
AFLAC
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Date Posted: 11:58:23 04/06/05 Wed

The guy faces lesser charges because he didn't actually hit any of the ducks ... sounds like he needed the practice.

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