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Subject: Re: You all are off the reservation Author: Ray [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 11:48:51 03/08/05 Tue In reply to: Murray 's message, "You all are off the reservation" on 09:24:53 03/08/05 Tue What does it mean, this 'off the reservation' thing? Sounds slimey to me. But to the point. The regular season is what it is. We award a runner-up in the tournament because we hope that the No. 2 and 3 teams have already locked up a place in KC or Jackson because of how they did in the regular season. Murples, we're running this show and we've gotten more teams in there than anyone else since we've gone to our format. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well, whoop de do! Author: Murray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:29:49 03/08/05 Tue A few clarifications and comments here: SOD: I do not have a "disgust for the green and gold." What I do have is a dislike of the usually pompous attitude displayed by most of the OBU-affiliated posters on this board. It seems like most of them believe the SAC basketball world begins and ends with OBU. It doesn't. OBU has been successful in recent years. Great. So has OCU, USAO, SNU, even OC and LCU. All of those teams also have had crummy years in the past -- even OBU. Also, as far as the money issue, it wouldn't cost any more for one of the league schools that doesn't have a dog in the semifinal hunt (this year, SNU for example) to host the semis and final. There's no need to rent a facility unless you absolutely want to. To this strange "Pure Energy" person: Yes, the regular season is meaningless for the third-seeded team that has to play on the home court of the sixth-seeded team. The regular season should have meaning for everyone, not just the champion. To OC '91: Can't say I'm wild about your theory about getting rid of conference tournaments, but I can understand where you're coming from. I've always thought conference tournaments somewhat reduce the importance of the regular season. But they can also be great theatre, given the right circumstances, which do not involve lower seeds hosting higher seeds with something important like a national-tournament berth on the line. To Ray: The ends don't justify the means as far as getting teams into the tournament. If they earn it during the regular season, great. But don't give any team that didn't earn it a special advantage by hosting every conference tournament game. Bottom line, if the SAC used a truly fair and neutral system, you'd be able to spend a lot more time these days following baseball and softball, because your basketball team likely wouldn't have gotten past the first round at John Brown. The same could be said for LCU in '00 and OCU in '03. It sounds like more people agree with me in theory. Let's hope the SAC comes to its senses and gets it right in future years. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Well, whoop de do! Author: Ray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:13:53 03/08/05 Tue Appleseed, The SAC has it right. That's the thing about you. If it's not how you'd do it, it is wrong. And since you didn't go to OBU, OBU supporters are the pompous ones. You're a little too full of yourself Murray. Do you give yourself cramps? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ray, you're close to the edge again Author: Murray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:02:00 03/09/05 Wed No, the SAC is not doing it right. It sounds like the majority of people agree with me -- neutral courts for the most important games of the season, or give the advantage to the higher-seeded team. I can't figure out why that's so hard for you to understand. And my dislike of pompous fans extends to more than just OBU. I got on OCU fans back in the day when they were a bit too big for their britches. OC fans, too. If you pay attention, I tell Nathan to pipe down quite a bit. I'm equal opportunity. Everyone should be more like SNU fans. Now, SNU's women are far and away the most successful program in SAC history -- 12 straight Final Fours, 7 national titles -- and yet you never see SNU fans overzealously boasting about how they're going to continually dominate. They just win with class and don't brag about it. That's an example we all could heed. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: where ARE the snu fans here? Author: Dad [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:16:36 03/09/05 Wed ...or do they only care about mens' hoops? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: where ARE the snu fans here? Author: SOJ [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:02:06 03/09/05 Wed Monte shows up now and again. I don't know about any others. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Well, whoop de do! Author: ABeamofPureEnergy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:34:21 03/09/05 Wed The regular season is what got John Brown into the national tournament. Their season isn’t over. In fact, the top four finishers of the regular season made it to the tournament. Furthermore, I would argue that the top 4 regular season finishers will go to the national tournament just about every year. If the ultimate goal of every team was solely to win the conference tournament, it would be different. But its not. The goal is to win the national championship. And to do that, the goal of the regular season is to make the national tournament. To call the regular season meaningless is just plain wrong. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]