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Date Posted: 07:34:36 04/06/03 Sun
Author: Lokki
Subject: Re: Ñóäüáà Ðèìà
In reply to: Ïðîõîæèé 's message, "Re: Ñóäüáà Ðèìà" on 04:50:23 04/03/03 Thu

Âîò óæ íåò. Åñëè áû Ðèì âåë âîéíû òîëüêî â Èòàëèè, îí
íå ñìîã áû ãîñïîäñòâîâàòü íè â Àôðèêå, íè â Ãðåöèè, íè
â Èñïàíèè, íè â Ìàëîé Àçèè. Âñå òåððèòîðèàëüíûå
çàâîåâàíèÿ â óêàçàííûõ ðåãèîíàõ íå ÿâèëèñü ðåçóëüòàòîì
èòàëèéñêèõ âîéí.

- äî íà÷àëà I â. äî í.ý. Ðèì óñïåë çàõâàòèòü Ãðåöèþ, òîò æå Êàðôàãåí, Ìàëóþ Àçèþ...Ó÷àñòèå ñîþçíè÷åñêèõ âîéñê áûëî îòíþäü íå ðåøàþùèì. Ê ïðèìåðó, â 168 ã. äî. í.ý. ðàçãðîì ìàêåäîíñêèõ âîéñê - èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî çàñëóãà ðèìñêèõ ñîëäàò, à íå ñîþçíèêîâ. Àðìèÿ êîìïëåêòîâàëàñü â îñíîâíîì èç èòàëèéñêèõ êðåñòüÿí...Èõ îáíèùàíèå è ïðèâåëî ê êðèçèñó, ïîïûòêå ðåôîðì Òèáåðèÿ Ãðàêõà è ïåðåõîäó ê íàåìíûì àðìèÿì..Îäíàêî âñå ýòè íàåìíèêè íàáèðàëèñü ñ òåððèòîðèé, ïîëèòè÷åñêè ïîäâëàñòíûõ Ðèìó. Âïëîòü äî Êàðàêàëëû (217 ã.) ðèìñêîå ãðàæäàíñòâî áûëî ïðèâèëåãèåé íåìíîãèõ.
>Åñëè Âû íåìíîãî çíàêîìû ñ èñòîðèåé Ðèìà, ïðåäëàãàþ Âàì
>âïîìíèòü î ðîëè íóìèäèéöåâ âî âòîðîé ìàêåäîíñêîé
>âîéíå, àôðèêàíñêèõ öàðüêîâ è èõ âîéñê è ðîëè ñèöèëèéöà
>Ãèåðîíà âî âòîðîé ïóíè÷åñêîé âîéíå, ðîäîñöåâ è êðèòÿí
>â âîéíàõ â çà Àçèþ è ïðî÷àÿ è ïðî÷àÿ.

- îíè ó÷àñòâîâàëè â âîéíå íà ñòîðîíå ðèìëÿí, íî ýòî íå ïîòîìó ÷òî Ðèì íå ìîã áåç íèõ îáîéòèñü, à ïîòîìó, ÷òî îíè áåç Ðèìà íå ìîãëè. Íóìèäèÿ õîòåëà íåçàâèñèìîñòè îò Êàðôàãåíà, íî ñàìà áûëà ñëèøêîì ñëàáà, ÷òîáû âûñòóïèòü ïðîòèâ íåãî îòêðûòî. Ïî àíàëîãèè - òî æå ñàìîå, åñëè ñêàçàòü, ÷òî óñïåõè àìåðèêàíñêèõ âîéñê - çàñëóãà êóðäñêîé "Ïåøìåðãè"...


>"Âïîñëåäñòâèè" íå îçíà÷àåò "âñëåäñòâèå". Âñÿ èñòîðèÿ
>Ðèìà, íà÷èíàÿ ñ ïðèáûòèÿ Ýíåÿ â Èòàëèþ - ýòî èñòîðèÿ
>ïîãëîùåíèÿ è àññèìèëÿöèè ýíåéöàìè, çàòåì ðèìëÿíàìè,
>ñîñåäíèõ íàðîäîâ: ñàáèíÿí, ýòðóñêîâ, âîëüñêîâ, ýêâîâ,
>ãðåêîâ, êîòîðûå ïîïàäàëèñü èì íà ïóòè òåððèòîðèàëüíîé
>ýêñïàíñèè. Áåç ýòîãî Ðèì îñòàëñÿ áû íåáîëüøîé
>äåðåâíåé.

- âåðíî. Àññèìèëÿöèÿ èòàëèêîâ èòàëèêàìè. Ýòî âñå ðàâíî, êàê â Ðîññèè àññèìèëèðóþòñÿ áåëîðóññû è óêðàèíöû. Îäíàêî ãåðìàíöåâ, íåãðîâ è àçèàòîâ ðèìëÿíå òàê è íå àññèìèëèðîâàëè. È âîîáùå, èäåÿ áîëüøîãî êîòëà ýòíîãåíåçà - øòóêà ïåðåõâàëåííàÿ. Â ÑØÀ è â Ðîññèè îí ÷òî-òî íå ðàáîòàåò. Äà è â Ðèìå ïîñëå îáúåäèíåíèÿ Èòàëèè òîæå ïåðåñòàë äåéñòâîâàòü.

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