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Date Posted: 01:38:32 04/07/03 Mon
Author: Ïðîõîæèé
Subject: Re: Ñóäüáà Ðèìà
In reply to: Lokki 's message, "Re: Ñóäüáà Ðèìà" on 07:34:36 04/06/03 Sun

> - äî íà÷àëà I â. äî í.ý. Ðèì óñïåë çàõâàòèòü Ãðåöèþ,
>òîò æå Êàðôàãåí, Ìàëóþ Àçèþ...Ó÷àñòèå ñîþçíè÷åñêèõ
>âîéñê áûëî îòíþäü íå ðåøàþùèì. Ê ïðèìåðó, â 168 ã. äî.
>í.ý. ðàçãðîì ìàêåäîíñêèõ âîéñê - èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî çàñëóãà
>ðèìñêèõ ñîëäàò, à íå ñîþçíèêîâ.

Ó ýòîëèéöåâ íà ýòîò ñ÷åò áûëî èíîå ìíåíèå, ÷òî ïðèâåëî â ïîñëåäóþùåì òîìó, ÷òî ðèìëÿíèå âåëè âîéíó ñî ñâîèìè áûâøèìè ñîþçíèêàìè, êîòîðûå ñ÷èòàëè, ÷òî èõ îáäåëèëè ïðè äåëåæå âîåííîé äîáû÷è.


> - îíè ó÷àñòâîâàëè â âîéíå íà ñòîðîíå ðèìëÿí, íî ýòî
>íå ïîòîìó ÷òî Ðèì íå ìîã áåç íèõ îáîéòèñü, à ïîòîìó,
>÷òî îíè áåç Ðèìà íå ìîãëè.

Âïîëíå ìîãëè. Ïîñëå ñìåðòè Ãèåðîíà åãî ñûí ïåðåøåë íà ñòîðîíó êàðôàãåíÿí è ðèìëÿíàì ïðèøëîñü âîåâàòü è ñ Ñèöèëèåé.


>Íóìèäèÿ õîòåëà
>íåçàâèñèìîñòè îò Êàðôàãåíà, íî ñàìà áûëà ñëèøêîì
>ñëàáà, ÷òîáû âûñòóïèòü ïðîòèâ íåãî îòêðûòî.

Íóìèäèéöû áûëè ïðîñòûìè íàåìíèêàìè. Ïîêà èì ïëàòèë Êàðôîãåí, íóìèäèéñêàÿ êîííèöà óñïåøíî èñïîëüçîâàëàñü Ãàíèáàëîì. Êîãäà èì ñòàë ïëàòèòü Ðèì, îíè ñòàëè âîåâàòü íà åãî ñòîðîíå.


>Ïî àíàëîãèè - òî æå ñàìîå, åñëè ñêàçàòü, ÷òî óñïåõè
>àìåðèêàíñêèõ âîéñê - çàñëóãà êóðäñêîé "Ïåøìåðãè"...

Ñ÷èòàéòå òàê, åñëè ýòà èäåÿ Âàì íðàâèòñÿ.


> - âåðíî. Àññèìèëÿöèÿ èòàëèêîâ èòàëèêàìè.

Êàêèõ "èòàëèêîâ"? Ãðåêè, êîòîðûå æèëè â Èòàëèè - ýòî èòàëèêè?


>Ýòî âñåðàâíî, êàê â Ðîññèè àññèìèëèðóþòñÿ áåëîðóññû è
>óêðàèíöû. Îäíàêî ãåðìàíöåâ, íåãðîâ è àçèàòîâ ðèìëÿíå
>òàê è íå àññèìèëèðîâàëè.

À âîò ðóññêèå àññèìèëèðîâàëè íåìàëî íåìöåâ è òàòàð. Ðàçëè÷èÿ â âåðå è ÿçûêå íå ïîìåøàëè.


>È âîîáùå, èäåÿ áîëüøîãî êîòëà
>ýòíîãåíåçà - øòóêà ïåðåõâàëåííàÿ. Â ÑØÀ è â Ðîññèè îí
>÷òî-òî íå ðàáîòàåò.

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Ðàáîòàåò âî âñþ. ×åðåç äâà - òðè ïîêîëåíèÿ ïðîæèâàíèÿ â Ðîññèè ñðåäè ðóññêèõ, ÷òî õîõîë, ÷òî îñåòèí îäèíàêîâî îáðóñåþò.

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