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Date Posted: 02:41:33 01/31/03 Fri
Author: Ñîðàòíèê
Subject: Äåìîêðàòèè
In reply to: ßê 's message, "Íå îáîëüùàéòåñü" on 02:00:49 01/31/03 Fri

>Íàñ÷åò "ïûòàþòñÿ ñäåëàòü âèä". ß ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî
>äåìîêðàòè÷åñêèå ìåõàíèçìû íà Çàïàäå ðàáîòàþò. Ýòè æå
>ìåõàíèçìû ïîìîãàþò è âñå äåðæàòü ðóêàõ - òàê ñêàçàòü,
>ïîëó÷àòü ñèãíàëû ñ äàò÷èêîâ è áûñòðî ðåàãèðîâàòü.

Îñîáåííî â ÑØÀ äåìîêðàòè÷åñêèå ìåõàíèçìû è â åå âåðíîé ñîþçíèöå Àíãëèè...Îòêóäà òàêàÿ âåðà â çàïàäíóþ äåìîêðàòèþ?
Ïðîñòî ýòî â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå - êîãäà âåòåð êóäà-òî äóåò è ìàëî ëè ÷òî (èíîãäà äàæå ìîãóò Áåðëóñêîíè ïîäñóíóòü). Ó íàñ âîò Ïóòèí òîæå òåïåðü ïî÷òè ðóññêèé íàöèîíàëèñò. Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé ïàòðèîòèçì è áîðüáà ñ èììèãðàíòàìè ñî ñòîðîíû Êàñüÿíîâà. Èç òîé æå îïåðû.

>Ò.å. íàëèöî ÿâíîå íàöèîíàë-ïðåäàòåëüñòâî.
>
> ÷åì æå ïðåäàòåëüñòâî? Âëàñòü õîòü êàê-òî
>ñðåàãèðîâàëà, ïîäñòðîèëàñü.

Âëàñòü ïîøëà íà ÷òî-òî, ÷òîáû íå äîïóñòèòü ÷åãî-òî. ×åãî? Ïðèõîäà ê âëàñòè íàöèîíàëèñòîâ. Ïîñòàâüòå ñåáÿ íà ìåñòî ìàíèïóëÿòîðîâ - Âû áû ñàìè ïîñòóïèëè òàêæå. À íàöèîíàë-ïðåäàòåëè - ýòî ïîòîìó ÷òî ñàìè ýòè ÷åëîâåêè êîðåííûìè àíãëè÷àíàìè ìîãóò áûòü, íî "îáù÷åëîâå÷åñêèå öåííîñòè" èì äîðîæå ÷åì èíòåðåñû êîðåííîãî, ñâîåãî íàðîäà.

>Ðîññèÿ òîëüêî ïîòîìó íå ñõâà÷åíà, ÷òî ó íàñ äðóãàÿ
>ïîëèòè÷åñêàÿ êóëüòóðà, âåðíåå îòñóòñòâèå îíîé, è ìíîãî
>áåñïîðÿäêà âî âñåì. ×òî-òî íàïîäîáèå ïðåñëîâóòûõ
>ðóññêèõ äîðîã è äóðíîãî êëèìàòà, êîòîðûå âå÷íî ìåøàëè
>âñåì çàâîåâàòåëÿì. Ó íàñ, ñîáñòâåííî, íåò è òåõ
>"îáùå÷åëîâåêîâ", íà êîòîðûõ Âû ðóãàåòåñü.

Êîíå÷íî, îá ýòîì è ðå÷ü, òàêèõ êàê ×óáàéñîâ - åäèíèöû (ýòîò òèï âõîäèò â Áèëüäåðáåðãñêèé êëóá ïîõîäó åäèíñòâåííûé èç Ðîññèè). Ò.å. çäåñü êîíå÷íî áîëüøå ìàðèîíåòêè, ÷åì çàïðàâèëû.

- Ïåäåðàñòîâ
>òèïà Êîâàëåâà ÿ îòêàçûâàþñü ñ÷èòàòü "îáùå÷åëîâåêàìè",
>ýòî æàëêàÿ ïàðîäèÿ íà òî, ÷òî ðåàëüíî ñóùåñòâóåò íà
>Çàïàäå è âñòðîåíî â èõ ìåõàíèçìû óïðàâëåíèÿ.

Ýòî ïðîñòî ãíóñü.

- Òàê ÷òî
>îñîáî íå îáîëüùàéòåñü. Çàñëóãè íàöèîíàëèñòîâ â òîì,
>÷òî â Ðîññèè åñòü ïîäîáèå ñâîáîäû - íåò íè êàïëè. È
>åñëè ÿ õîòü â ÷åì-íèáóäü ïðàâ, âûâîäû íà áóäóùåå íàäî
>äåëàòü ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèå.

ß è íå ãîâîðèë ÷òî ýòî çàñëóãà íàöèîíàëèñòîâ, ýòî îáúåêòèâíûé ôàêòîð. Ðîññèÿ íå íàõîäèòñÿ ïîêà ïîä ÏÎËÍÛÌ êîíòðîëåì íàäíàöèîíàëüíûõ îðãàíèçàöèé è ñòðóêòóð. Ýòî ïîêà è äàåò êàêîé-òî øàíñ.

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