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Date Posted: 13:49:03 03/03/07 Sat
Author: Nazario Marin (I Urgently need to talk to u)
Subject: Re: maria duval
In reply to: mo 's message, "Re: maria duval" on 03:26:59 12/22/04 Wed

>THE MARIA DUVAL BUSINESS, PART 2 of 2
>
>MARKETING METHODS
>
>The firms are eager after new customers. They put out
>announcements in papers and coupon leaflets, and
>offer a free lucky talisman or a cross of seven
>wishes, together with a free horoscope, in the name of
>Maria Duval. If someone replies, (s)he gets the free
>item, but is then bombarded with a slew of offers for
>services and goods from Maria Duval and later from
>other sources too. Thus the curious usually have their
>first contact with this business when the free
>talisman is send them. This is a sound marketing
>practice. The advantages are many:
>
>One gets a good database of names and addresses of
>liable and impulsive people who have interest in
>astrology, magic, etc. A gift puts a potential
>customer in a happy mood. The actual offer for sale of
>horoscopes etc can be targeted to potential customers
>only. The offer can be very persuasive and one can use
>suggestions and other powerful but questionable
>selling methods, like used in Maria Duval letters
>indeed. Undesired publicity of the offer and marketing
>methods can mainly be avoided, for example from the
>side of pro consumer agencies.
>
>The advertisements sometimes contain a short
>questionary. The customer has to mark some questions
>with yes/no, write a wish for her/his greatest hope
>and another one for the removal of her/his greatest
>burden. I think that the firms use the questions in
>order to find the most lucrative setup of marketing
>letters.
>
>There is a www.mariaduval.com website, passive in
>nature, that gives some background information on
>Maria Duval in several languages. The claims there are
>still claims and not independently verified proof,
>journal clippings possibly excluded. Another form of
>customer service are contact phone numbers, telefax
>numbers and e-mail addresses. It seems that somewhere,
>like Finland and Sweden, the phone and fax numbers are
>free, their use don't cost a cent. It seems the
>business runs as smoothly as ever!
>
>I have seen signs and changes in marketing, which to
>my mind are direct reactions to criticism in internet,
>a kind of evolution. In any normal business it would
>be called better customer service, giving the customer
>a better value for her/his money, but here? I have an
>other opinion...
>
>The firms sometimes promise to return the money of
>dissatisfied customers if the customer returns the
>goods. This is required by legislation. It seems that
>some get their money back, some don't.
>
>AN ANALYSIS OF THE MARKETING METHODS
>
>The Maria Duval letters are certainly worth study for
>everyone who needs to write oppressive, manipulative,
>etc text, that is actually cabable of causing angst in
>reader. One Heke has made a good analysis on the
>contents of Maria Duval's marketing letters. (You
>should look what heke means in the Hawaian language. )
>
>WORKING TROUGH EMOTIONS is much more effective than
>working through reason in the marketing of this kind -
>probably any kind - of goods and services, because our
>emotional systems are open, easy to influence and
>defenceless against affectation. Duval feeds solely
>your emotional needs, there really isn't much for the
>intellect. Furthermore, even after reading,
>understanding and accepting this analysis, you are
>still susceptible to these methods because of the
>disparity of reason and emotion. Remember it!
>
>THE IMPRESSION OF AUTHORITY AND EXPERTICE that Duval
>strives to achieve, is done first by her
>self-presentation as the medium and clair-voyant of
>the Society for Psychic and Parapsychic Research and
>by claiming exact and true predictions and appearances
>in numerous radio and television broadcasts, and
>second by occasional sentences in her letters like
>"I can give exact and detailed predictions through the
>combination of astrology, my supernatural skills and
>psychoanalysis. I have proved this countless times in
>press and television."
>"Do you believe that I would endanger my reputation as
>a famous clair-voyant only because not being
>completely sincere to you?"
>
>PERSONAL STORIES from her own live - or invented -
>have the purpose of creating a friendly and
>unsuspecting atmosphere. Duval simply tries to make
>you drop your guard.
>"Before my uncle died, who was a knowledgeable
>clair-voyant and medium too, he gave me three
>talismans, one for money, second for love and third
>for luck.
>(...)
>Many years later (...) the man that I loved left me.
>(...) I did remember my dear dead uncle and his
>talismans. I searched everywhere and finally found
>them in the attic, in an old cabinet. I choose the
>talisman of love and took it with me.
>The next morning I got a call. It was the man who had
>left me without even giving me a hope of ever seeing
>him again. He told me that some unusual or mystical
>power made him miss me and want to meet me.
>Two weeks later we were together again."
>
>THE FOCUSING OF CONSCIOUSNESS at the very beginning of
>the letter makes you more liable to her suggestions
>and increases the efficiency of her manipulations.
>Duval focuses your consciousness by direct suggestions
>like
>"I ask you to give me all your attention"
>"I ask you, heke, to carefully read the content of
>this letter, because if ..."
>"It's very important that you read this letter in all
>its details"
>
>THE EMOTIONAL SEESAW simply means the alternation
>between promises and warnings, positive and negative
>hints, good and doubting suggestions etc. A cool and
>detached attitude of the reader is counteractive to
>Duval's purposes and with this tool she tries to make
>sawdust out of it. The emotional seesaw creates and
>increases uncertainty too which comes very handy when
>she later takes it up to make you dependent.
>
>SUGGESTIONS run gamut in Duval's letters. Her
>carefully chosen words sprinkle over you like water
>from a fountain. Perhaps you enjoy getting soaked
>through and trough but don't believe for a single
>moment that her letters aren't carefully designed
>tools of manipulation. They are certainly not written
>spontaneously. Words are her only means to influence
>you, that is if you don't believe in magic, and with
>words only she weawes the web and effect of every
>other means that are discovered is this analysis.
>
>A PARADE OF CONTENT CUSTOMERS is one of the basic
>marketing tools. I have but some doubt, real of
>imaginary customers?
>"... I gave my talismans of money and happiness to one
>of my female friends. She had lost her source of
>income and was fighting in poverty. A little later her
>troubles were over. Her bad luck turned into good
>luck. She got FIM 10 000, and a while later FIM 19 000
>more. She decided to start a small enterprise, that
>soon became a success"
>
>THE CREATION OF DEPENDENCE is in my mind one of the
>ugliest tools that Duval uses. You may have perceived
>how Duval starts her letters so that the balance
>between good and bad suggestions, or promises and
>warnings, is in the positive side. The balance is then
>gradually shifted to the negative, and at the same
>time Duval poses herself as the only possiibility to
>ward away all that negativity. In other words, first
>Duval feeds you with hope, then snatces it away, and
>finally demands your money for giving it back. Cool!
>
>PROMISES OF NEW LETTERS keep your interest up. Duval
>certainly desires that you would become a good, paying
>and longtime customer. It works to her advantage too
>if she can make you wait with expectation and hope for
>new letters.
>
>EXTREME FRIENDLINESS feels so very good, but coming
>from a total stanger it borders into the unbelievable.
>Duval's parting words give honey sweet examples:
>"Heke, I hope to hear soon of You and I send You my
>hearties greetings.
>Your trusted friend Maria Duval"
>"I send from the deep of my heart my whole love and my
>whole positive energy to You and your nearest. I wait
>impatiently for your message.
>With respect Maria Duval"
>"I really trust You. I wait for your answer and I send
>You my heartfelt greetings. Your honest and loyal
>friend Maria Duval"
>
>EXAGGERATED PROMISES serve well in igniting your
>enthusiasm and in converting you to a true fan and
>believer. You yourself could well use the example
>below, in self-hypnosis!
>"Heke, If You get succesfully over this considerable
>obstacle in your life, a completely new and exciting
>live awaits You.
>You don't have to stretch the penny at the end of the
>month anymore, You don't have to pay back your loans
>and credits anymore, because You will have as much
>money as You need and even much more. (Yes, I see very
>much money for You!)
>Love and friendship will surround You and You will
>never again be lonely. You will allways have someone
>nearby whom You can talk to and whom You can trust.
>Everything will succeed that you take up. Were You shy
>and without self-esteem?... You will become a
>self-assured person with an irresistible charm, You
>will enchant other people and attract them.
>Didn't You believe in yourself and in your future? You
>will see that a shining future awaits You, which will
>give You self-confidence and fill your mind with
>happiness and hope"
>
>GIFTS are tokens of friendship. Duval's gifts however
>are marketing tools, their purpose to convince and
>support you in your decision of accepting Duval as a
>do-gooder, even friend. She uses them to awaken your
>greed too:
>"You will get a unique gift if You answer me. It is a
>secret, known only to seers, and my masters have
>allowed me to reveal it now to those people who
>consult me. (...) It is my destiny here on earth to
>help those poeple who long for happiness and want to
>share their happiness with other people too. And I
>know, that You too Heke belong among the people, and I
>believe that I can tell You this secret. The secret is
>a magical object. It supports the effects of the
>talisman and gives it even a hundredfold power. You
>get not only more lucky in fortune games, but You get
>a special protection too. It is like You had an
>antenna, connecting You and me, and linking you with
>especially spritualistic forces from beyond that
>protect us.
>(...)
>In addition You get that mysterious gift that I told
>You a while ago. Decide quickly because I don't have
>enough of these objects, not for everybody who writes
>to me."
>
>HINTS are open or indeterminate succestions and a very
>powerful tool. Closed or determinate suggestions can
>only cover a specified area, but hints however work
>trough your imagination, and cause you to raise the
>particular hopes and fears specific to you. What could
>be more effective?
>"I told at the beginning of my letter that I see some
>troubles too. Is there someone in your circle of
>friends who wishes ill for You? Have You been cursed?
>I can't tell You more about that now, because I
>dislike saying out something that is less than 100
>percent sure. We can prevent however, with the help of
>my clair-voyant skills, that You would get trapped."
>
>ENVY too is within her toolbag. Duval says that
>famous, wealthy, happy people are just like you. She
>says this seemingly in order to encourage you, but
>actually she wants to make you envious of them. It
>then so happens, like a miracle, that she is able and
>willing to help you too to get and be the same!
>Believe that and you are in a trap. Duval really
>paints a very simplistic picture about the why and how
>of our destinies here on earth:
>
>"You surely know about men and women in your
>surroundings, who succeed in allmost anything, even
>when there is nothing special about them. They don't
>have more diplomas is their pockets, nor are they more
>intelligent, but still all the success accumulates in
>their saldo. It seems allnost like everything in their
>hands would change to gold!...
>This is as difficult to understand as why men run
>after certain women. The women have nothing what
>others don't have too, yet men svarm around them like
>mosquitos around the lamp.
>You too might think of succesfull people and wonder:
>What do they have that I don't? I assure You that
>these people are just like You, and still they attract
>luck as much as they desire...
>Yes, these luckyblessed attract the friendship of
>those who can give them what they really want: a nice
>and well paid working occupation, a possibility to get
>rich, and other things like that... They don't lose
>one single opportunity which could bring them more
>money, more love or more joy in live. One could
>allmost believe that they possess a capability to
>cause all these enjoyable things to come to them...
>These men and women operate like magiciens who find
>water and hidden treasures with their wand. They are
>like magnets that draw the good things in live to
>themselves.
>And I see that You are like these people, You have the
>same power to happiness. And this power, abiding deep
>inside you, is fortunately undamaged and only waits
>awakening!..."
>
>WARNINGS that Duval strews here and there are good
>food for your imagination. Duval uses very often the
>combination of promises and warnings, or in the
>language of your emotions, hope and fear.
>"Dear Heke, the year 2001 means to You the beginning
>of a new life. It will be much better and much richer
>live than You now live. I have proofs of it!
>But You must be carefull Heke! Allthough the year
>2001, first year of the new millenium, seems to be an
>especially good year for you, something very strange
>did happen in May 2000, and it may diminish your
>chances to get succesfull!..."
>
>FEAR isn't such a nice tool at all. Duval actually
>gives you, now and then, strong and straight negative
>- and this really is dirty and most ugly use of the
>power of suggestions, does she want to derail people
>into depression or worse? - suggestions in her
>letters. The purpose here is to make her offer of help
>appear like a release from uncertainty and fear.
>Actually you would only lose what you never even had,
>and what existed only in the golden clouds of her
>promises and your hopes.
>"No! You can't beat this remarkable obstacle alone...
>Because of all the troubles that You had in the past,
>your physical and psychic condition is weak. There is
>a great danger that You don't manage this transition
>period well without external help, which would be a
>real catastrophe.
>In addition to that, last May You were influenced by a
>particular negative influence from the stars, that
>befell on earth when the stars, earth, moon and sun
>aligned with other five planets. A contribution from
>this occasion is that your chances of happiness and
>success dropped even lower.
>An extraordinary occasion... but in a negative sence."
>
>COMPANIONSHIP or doing things together characterizes
>the behaviour of friends. Like trust, relaxation,
>unguardedness etc that go with friedship, your
>feelings of companionship makes it so much easier for
>Duval to cast her influence upon you. So she tries to
>make herself a companionable friend with:
>"We'll make it together so, that these capabilities
>and even gifts that I peceived in You will become your
>own. Because I can now tell You that You have the rare
>gift what I call "real might", it's a great inner
>power which can help You to change your destiny"
>"Yes, we'll let together this might, your power, to
>come out and nobody can avoid perceiving it
>We'll change your destiny. We'll win battles that can
>remove the obstacles from your way to happiness,
>well-being and joy of live".
>
>PROMISES OF COMPLETE SUPPORT. Yes! You must really be
>worth gold if the famous Duval so completely puts
>herself to your help. Only remember that she promises
>the same to everyone she sends her letters to. You may
>regognize the following:
>"I would like to say to you that you can from now on
>trust that I give my help without any limits when it
>is the question of how to make the luck step into your
>live as soon as possible. It really should have been
>there beside you since long time back."
>"Heke, I know that It'll be difficult for You to
>surpass this considerable obstacle in your live alone.
>Hence I decided to write to You today and offer my
>many-sided help for free and without limits"
>"I would like to give all my powers to your use in
>order to make You a happy and very content man for the
>rest of your live!"
>
>FAKE INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING doesn't only mean the use
>of 2. singularis addressing mode in a mass produced
>letter. It means too, that Duval in fact lies when she
>writes statements that appear to be meant just for
>you, but actually are found in all her letters of that
>series.
>
>THE CREATION OF THE FEELING OF URGENCY is there for
>the purpose of making you afraid of missing your
>unique opportunity. Again and of cause Duval offers to
>help you and relieve you from fear...
>"Therefore I would like to tell You once more: Act
>right now and send me back allready today your coupon
>that I enclosed with my letter, and which entitles you
>to my special help. Act now and don't delay any
>longer. It really is extremely important to You and
>your future!
>Time goes by, Heke, and I'm afraid that soon it'll be
>too late if You don't act immediately."
>"PS I would like to poin out once more that most
>propably You won't ever again get a corresponding
>opportunity to change your life. You have the luck to
>step into the new millenium. The next occasion will
>happen... after one thousand years!
>Hence act now, even for your own good."
>
>MEGALOMANIA alias outswelled ego works well as a kind
>of safequard against you coming to other thoughts
>about Maria Duval and her activities. The more energy,
>assosiations, parts of self-image, emotions, habitual
>thinking patterns etc that become bound with Duval in
>your mind, the stronger the safequard grows, the more
>difficult will it be for you to have a free uncolored
>understanding about Duval and the more painfull the
>eventual ego crash.
>" Taking into consideration what I have seen, I can
>tell You right now that your case is one of the most
>amazing that have came my way for a long time. I can
>reveal to You that your case is one of the most
>interesting that I have bumped against for a long
>time."
>"Some of your vibrations indicate to me that there are
>deep within You latent abilities and powers that can
>change your whole life"
>
>REVEALING AND ENTRUSTING SECRETS characterizes the
>behaviour of good, trusting and trusted friends. Duval
>tries in so many ways, and this way too, to create the
>appearance of friendship and trust between you and
>herseff, which she later utilizes for her own
>purposes. Secrets and mystery are rather exciting as
>such too.
>"In addition I will send You a collection of The
>extraordinary secrets of White Macig. I received it
>directly from my Great Spiritual Master, who lived a
>long time ago. He/She took a telepathic contact with
>me, so that I could transmit this message to those
>persons whom I guide and protect against the negative
>effects of May fifth, and whom I help to find their
>happiness. The Spiritual Leaders of the humankind say
>that the collection is the best antidote to any
>negative forces that lead people to deeper plight."
>
>DISCOUNT PRICES, apparently offered especially for
>you, might make you take her offer. The discount
>however is there for all, it's simply one of her many
>tools in getting your money. I'll give you some sweet
>examples:
>"I admit that I charge high prices for my services.
>Yet I don't want money to become an obstacle between
>us. For this reason I give You a special offer for
>your Future Horoscope and your Lucky Calendar"
>"The normal price for my help is FIM 400.But because I
>have seen that You haven't had it very easy in your
>live, I'm ready to meet You partway. If You send the
>filled coupon within 48 hours, I'ill give You a FIM
>100 discount. Yes, You got ir right: You only pay FIM
>300 for your secret formulas and not the normal FIM
>400. You have to admit that I really do everything in
>order to help you."
>
>RECIPROCAL BEHAVIOR means that if Duval does something
>for you then you need to do something for her,
>otherwise you would self-feel like a despicable
>opportunist. You feel that you owe her something for
>that free amulet, don't you? Duval also stirs
>reciprocal feelings in you with sentences like:
>" I will help You. I have allready told the future
>from the stars. On my desk I have now a readymade
>first aid package for your future."
>
>The analysis ends here. It loads all upon Maria Duval,
>but the involved firms are probably more responsible.
>Only very intelligent, perceptive and professional add
>writers (with a sodden moral!) have the skill to write
>like that!
>
>GOODS AND SERVICES
>
>The firms offer at least following goods and services:
>
>- the free lucky talisman. It is a piece of stiff
>card, on one side some figures on a golden background,
>on the other a picture of Maria Duval's face
>- a free cross of seven wishes
>- six month horoscopes. They are automatic printouts
>from a computer program.
>- tarot interpretations. They are automatic computer
>printouts.
>- 90 days personal positive psychomagnetic course
>- slim booklets that contain simple magic tutorials,
>and instructions of health tonics or drinks
>- magical seremonies and other occult actions
>- initiation done by Maria Duval
>- talismans or amulets for good luck, like.a celtic
>circle of life, a talisman with herbs inside, or a
>pentagram
>- small magical or occult items like a ring designed
>by the good people of Atlantis
>- bad smelling parfymes
>
>It is certainly possible that some goods, or rather
>the knowledge involved, which is magical lore,
>formulas, design of the courses, descriptions for
>tonics and potions, instructions, spells etc, come
>originally from Maria Duval. The practical arrangement
>is naturally that the firms get everything out of
>their computers and subcontractors.
>
>LOGISTICS
>
>Over two million people have got at least that free
>amulet and about 10 - 40% seem to actually buy
>something too!. Massproduction is necessary perforce.
>
>The involved firms send their offerings allways in the
>native language of a potential customer. They have to
>use translators which is costly. Individual letters
>mean individual translations mean no money flows home.
>This is one more reason why the Maria Duval letters,
>offers, horoscopes, courses, and whatever have to be
>massproduced, possibly with a standard body plus
>automated variation and personalisation. Some messages
>confirm that the marketing letters are indeed
>identical, newer mind their fake personalized style.
>The letters promise individual services, like personal
>initiations, programming of personal amulets, direct
>mental or astral influence fron Maria Duval on behalf
>of the customer, etc... The great number of customers
>make these promises rather untrustworthy.
>
>Many people have written that nobody ever answers any
>personal letters. It is only too easy to understand
>why, because first, the number of customers is nearly
>two million and second, the customer's personal
>letters are not read by Maria Duval, but by some
>office clerk employed by the involved firms, and most
>often, by nobody. Sometimes the involved firms ask
>short desciptions from customers, about how it goes
>with them. It seems they use the descriptions in order
>to get material for the testimonials section of
>www.mariaduval.com.
>
>The reasoning above means that a customer only gets
>what unpersonal and massproduced material the firms
>send, like computer generated automatic astrological
>interpretations, no individually programmed amulets,
>no magical seremonies performed for the customer's
>personal benefit, no individual occult influences from
>Maria Duval, etc... When we contrast that with the
>personal promises in the marketing letters, we see the
>lies and cheating that the firms perform.
>
>AUTHORITIES ARE NOT HAPPY
>
>It certainly is no big news that this business has
>gotten itself in dire staits with authorities. There
>have been, there are and will be several complaints
>aginst the involved firms. The internet knows the
>following cases. There must be more because not every
>case is reported in internet.
>
>The International Consumer Protection and Enforcement
>Network (ICPEN) decided by autumn 2003 to act in the
>case of Maria Duval's marketing methods. ICPEN
>characterized the marketing as clearly unbearable,
>scaring, oppressing, missleading, threatening and
>insulting. It violates marketing legislation and good
>business practices as defined by international
>organizations of commerce. The Swedish
>Konsumentverket, in her role then as the chairman in
>ICPEN Europe, initiatiated a coordinated european
>action against the marketing practices.
>Konsumentverket demanded first that illegal marketing
>is stopped. This demand was sent to all addresses that
>distribute the marketing means. The second stage was
>that the authorities in each involved country wrote to
>the firms and the media was made aware of the illegal
>campaigns. The results of these primary actions were
>planned to be analysed in the third stage and the
>decision was to be made what other actions were
>necessary in order to stop this marketing.
>
>In New York, USA, the BBB (Better Business Bureau)
>issued June 1996 a consumer alert regarding the
>National Parapsychology Center adverticing the
>services of Maria Duval. There were complaints that
>consumer expectations were unfullfilled, or that the
>consumers didn't get their money back. An interesting
>sideline is that if a customer wanted to have a more
>detailed information than the 8 pages of the initial
>contact, she had to send a photo or some hair, plus 27
>to 70 dollars!
>
>Customers have complained to Italian customer
>authorities in September 2000 and November 2000 about
>Duval's misleading marketing practices etc. The
>complaits were found to be justified.
>
>The British ASA authority has received and adjudicated
>on three complaints against Astroforce Ltd t/a Maria
>Duval, in December 1999, March 2000 and November 2000.
>The complaints were about misleading marketing, and in
>main successfull.
>
>The Harmonie Ltd operated 1999-2002 in Australia using
>the names Astroforce, Maria Duval and Marie France.
>Their scam operation was investigated and then closed
>down by Australian authorities when enough customers
>complained. The authorities legally intercepted
>customer's recent letters and returned their money.
>The Harmonie Ltd was ordered to refund all customers
>who asked it.
>
>EVEN IN A BOOK
>
>Armando Pavese, a researcher on the psychological
>motivations relating to magic, spiritism and occultism
>has authored a book, called The black book of magic,
>in which he puts the medium Marie Duval in the same
>camp with the wizards, swindlers and quackers of
>todays' Italy. The language of the book is italian.
>
>MARIA DUVAL
>
>There really is a Maria Duval, a witch, voyant,
>business woman, you name it! The involved firms claim
>that Maria Duval was born into a family, which belongs
>to the nobility, and whose members have served the
>french kings. She herself is a countess. She made her
>first miracle healing at the age of 8 years, etc...
>There are such nicely dramatic and emotional elements
>in the information what the firms present about Maria
>Duval, that it makes one doubt the truthfullness of
>the whole lot, especially when we remember how the
>firms lie and seek to manipulate the customers in
>their marketing. There is no independent information
>in internet that confirms these claims.
>
>Maria Duval is the author of several books, well over
>twenty in number. She has used at least her own name
>and the alias Anne Cramford. The books are published
>in many languages. Some typical titles are The Grand
>book of secrets, The Grand secret manual of the
>initiates, the Grand consultation of the tarot, How to
>become a voyant, The Secrets and techniques of success
>and power, etc.
>
>Maria Duval was born 1937 as Carolina Maria Gamba in
>Milano, Italy. She is now a citicen in France. She has
>at least some fame outside this business too. It seems
>her career really lifted when she predicted the winner
>right in some bygone french presidential elections.
>Once she found the lost dog of Brigitte Bardot, and
>Ralf Schumacher believes in a bad smelling amulet from
>Maria Duval. The last two are rather funny bits of
>data, but they indicate presense, past fame and bygone
>reputation in the european sky of magicmakers and
>seers. To use that past fame and reputation to start
>a business is well understandable. Not so are the
>methods, the brutal manipulation and lies, that this
>business uses. In my opinion, this whole business is
>driven by an insatiable greed.
>
>Well, at least Maria Duval seems to be rather rich
>nowdays, and have three homes: in Argentina, in Swiss
>Lausanne and in French Callas. Her Argentina home is
>said to be a whole ranch, whose address is but
>unknown. The Lausanne address is unknown too. The
>Callas address is Quai Quatre Chemins, 83830 Callas,
>France.
>
>In an interview for Danish television, Maria Duval is
>reported to have said that she has nothing to do with
>this business, neither knows anything about it. This
>reminds me about and old proverb, which says that even
>rats leave a sinking ship. It is hard to believe that
>she spoke the truth, because she started this whole
>business. She also travels far and wide promoting the
>business. By report she appeared in Finland over a
>year ago, arranged a press meeting, presented some
>horoscope interpretations on their President Halonen,
>etc... Soon thereafter there appeared nationwide
>advertisements about her and that free talisman offer.
>
>Maria Duval meets hundreds of clients face to face
>too. This her "luck by mail order" business is sure to
>come up. She herself must have seen the advertisements
>here and there too. Furthermore our messages exist in
>internet since a good time already, and she must have
>got lots of questions about if it's true what we say
>there.
>
>Probably nobody but Maria Duval herself is ready to
>believe that the involved firms can use her face, name
>and fame in their marketing like they do, without an
>agreement with her. She also owns the Maria duval
>trademarks.
>
>Jacques Mailland explained once in an interview that
>"Maria distributes the free talismans in order to tell
>the world that she exists, and is here to help and
>heal those who seek help. Her local agents in foreign
>countries take care of the practical business; Maria
>does not personally send any letters, nor does she see
>the answers. The Danish or Scandinavian local agent
>Kaj Hvolgaard has now and then invited querysome
>journalists to visit France and Maria Duval together
>with him, so that they could chat with her personally
>
>These facts clearly prove Maria Duval's presence and
>involvement in this business even today, allthough and
>for unknown reasons, she has sold this business to the
>firm Harmonie Ltd. This meant selling your names,
>addressess, data on who has bought what, the rights to
>use her name and face in advertising, the rights to
>sell her goods, and an arrangement of some travels and
>work to promote the firm. She may even get a fixed
>percent of the income. It is unknown, if Maria Duval
>is one of the owners of the Harmonie Ltd.
>
>RECOMMENDATIONS
>
>The internet material make the situation rather clear.
>This is simply a business, not a helping hand from
>Maria Duval. There are very few voices who say
>someting else, and they are not very convincing. I
>feel that these recommendations, copied from diverse
>messages in the German Aerger Forum, are sound enough.
>
>If you really need help, please go and seek it
>elsewhere, through a personal contact with a suitable
>person. The more you need help, the more prone you are
>to fall into the lies and manipulation that will be
>worked upon you by this business. If you are after
>magical help and tools in order to make your life
>better, that is all right by me. The internet and
>public libraries are full of free material, that you
>can experiment with. You will even find in Kevin
>Harringtongs site, and for free, some of the Maria
>Duval material that the firms send to paying
>customers. You can allways pay the firms later if you
>find the material useful.
>
>The people in this business really try very hard to
>ignite your enthusiasm and to hook you when they
>design the Maria Duval letters, and they are good at
>it too. If you allready happen to be in an Astroforce
>mailing list, the following few recommendations are
>for you. You may simply throw away all letters as soon
>as you get them, without reading them. This easily
>protects you from the manipulation in the letters. If
>your curiosity get overhand then show the letters to a
>friend for a neutral opinion. Compare your letters to
>what others have received whenever possible. Wait at
>least a week after receiving a letter and let yourself
>cool down until you decide or do anything. Then decide
>to do nothing. Don't let the "warnings" or time limits
>uppset you. One simply tries to hook you with them.
>Remember that the letters are massproduction after all
>and not personal.
>
>The various european preference services offer
>protection for consumers who don't want mailings from
>direct marketing firms. Most european countries have
>preference services for mail, phone and/or fax. An
>email preference service has been set up at a global
>level, with the ability for national portals.
>Preference service means, that you can contact the
>national organisation for this service, and tell them
>to add your name to the list of people, who don't want
>to receive any direct marketing mailings. Most
>civilized list brokers and direct marketing firms
>respect the customer preference, when expressed in
>these so called Robinson lists, and filter you out of
>their mailing lists. (mind you, only filter, not
>remove!) You must inform the preference servises in
>every country, where disturbing post is send to you.
>
>The Federation of European Direct Marketing, FEDMA,
>www.fedma.org, knows the existing procedures and
>contact points in European countries. However, they
>have so far released in internet only a summary with
>no useful data to the customer! So you have to contact
>FEDMA in person, and request the names, addresses, etc
>of the national preference services, which you need to
>inform about your preference of NOT wanting any direct
>marketing mailings. The FEDMA offices are in Belgium
>and he person to contact is Margrethe Saxegaard PR and
>Communications Manager, msaxegaard@fedma.org , phone
>32 2 776 03 91
>
>The www.junkbusters.com site is a very good place to
>visit too. It offers good information on your rights,
>legal aspects and what to do if you get dissatisfied.

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