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Date Posted: 03:35:56 06/06/03 Fri
Author: Zyrus
Subject: We're not confused, we just disagree
In reply to: saby2244 's message, "If you are confused, I think I can help...." on 00:36:28 06/06/03 Fri

>1. "matrix inside matrix"- NOT TRUE... all of your
>evidence has fallen short there is not proof in the
>movies about this idea and it just complicates the
>plot even more.

Firstly, this is YOUR opinion, only the bros know the truth. There is no right/wrong/proof at this stage, after revolutions there hopefully will be.

Try and think of it as all one matrix rather than "matrix inside matrix". I'll refer to it as the "Entire Matrix" theory.

There is plenty of evidence to support this theory if you read the previous posts properly. Try arguing against the key points based on this theory before just writing it off as too complicated. Just because it may seem complicated to you, it doesn't mean it isn't true.

>The spoon idea was a little boys
>gesture to help Neo along in his journey,
>encouragement, to help him remember. There is no other
>significance than that. Its too confusing, it doesn’t
>make sense!

Maybe, maybe not...there is no right or wrong yet.

>2. Smith and Neo- they swapped codes, end of story.
>I have to give credit to shaggy and ghost whose
>comments I read and they've got the idea... in the
>first movie...
>
>AGENT SMITH- Never send a human to do a machine's job.
>AGENT BROWN- If, indeed, Reagan had failed, they will
>sever the connection as soon as possible, unless --
>AGENT JONES- They are dead. In either case --
>AGENT SMITH- We have no choice but to continue as
>planned. Deploy the sentinels. Immediately.

I didn't realise ANYONE disputed that agents control the sentinels.

>This proves that the agents have control over the
>sentinels and this control was passed to Neo when he
>destroyed Agent Smith. Smith in return got the ablity
>to travel to the real world and take over a bodies.
>Smith is free from the matrix he can travel to the
>real world.

There is no "proof" that Neo gained power over the sentinels from Smith. Its just your theory, right or wrong. Neo could just have easily gained this power on his own, just as he gained the powers to take on agents, catch helicopters, dodge bullets, fly etc.

I think the real world you refer to is still the matrix, just a different level/dimension whatever you want to call it. Try and think of it as a game with each level representing different areas of the Matrix. So far we've seen two levels. You could equate to Neo dying in the first film to dying in the game and getting an extra life. :)

The real problems with your explanation lies with the activities that have taken place in the "real" world such as Neo destroying sentinels, Smith taking over human bodies, going back in time etc. If all of these things are truly occuring in the real world it would IMO be a disappointing conclusion to the story, and highly unbelievable. Which is why many people like myself look to the "Entire Matrix" theory for a more plausable answer/conclusion.

Time will tell :)


.Zyrus.

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  • just one question back -- ghost, 10:37:50 06/06/03 Fri
  • Hovercrafts -- pulse, 16:50:31 06/07/03 Sat
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