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[> [> [> [> I don't think anybody wants 12 hours of Rush Limbaugh tapes. -- Lethal Larry, 19:59:58 05/07/04 Fri (px3wh.vc.shawcable.net/24.69.255.204)


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[> [> [> [> [> Well, 20 million dittoheads do, apparently. -- Joe Taylor, 01:43:20 05/08/04 Sat (sacssrv2.sacs.org/209.36.127.4)

That's proof #4903468.4 that Americans are stupid - you need a very stupid culture to have large enough a sheep base for 20 million Limbaugh dittoheads out of a population of 300 million.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Don't be so negative! Every single one of them is needed to reelect Bush - and I DO want him reelected. -- Robert, 07:02:02 05/08/04 Sat (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> You really think Kerry's foreign policy's gonna make France anti-EU again? -- Joe Taylor, 11:32:39 05/08/04 Sat (sacssrv2.sacs.org/209.36.127.4)


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Hmmm...... don't know whether it's wise to tell my reasons here.... -- Robert, 12:50:30 05/08/04 Sat (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)

don't mistake me, I REALLY want Bush reelected. Though probably not because of the reasons people generally will elect him. *L*

I don't think getting Kerry would remove the positive effects of the Bush administration. But looking at the stuff Bush achieved until now, why should such a talent be wasted by replacing him with Kerry?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> It's okay, you can say it. -- Joe Taylor, 13:03:40 05/08/04 Sat (sacssrv2.sacs.org/209.36.127.4)

Just ignore Shaun - he's just like a troll.

Besides, four more years of Bush might get a pseudo-liberal president in 2008, like Dean or Clark, who'll pull a Clinton on the world, pacify Europe, and start making the world ignore American atrocities again. With Kerry, there's no such chance; he'll have a very good chance to win in 2008 and keep France pro-EU for long enough time for a pullout to be economically impossible, plus he'll quell the Democratic pro-Dean grassroots base.

Bottom line: Bush may not be the best candidate from an anti-American perspective - emphasis on "may."

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> It's not Shaun, he seems to be sufficiently resistant against evidence.... -- Robert, 12:30:20 05/09/04 Sun (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)

AJ however might notice that the current administration has managed to significantly weaken the US position and is very likely to continue this way. And since he's patriotic he may think twice before voting for Bush. It's not always beneficial when people think too much.

France isn't a problem. The continental unity meanwhile is becoming pretty solid, thanks to Bush. But look at Britain: do you think many Brits are fond of being the US poodle? The longer they are, the more eager they'll turn towards the EU. The surveys show a significant difference between US and EU. Britain is somewhat in between, tendency however is towards EU. We're still in need of Bush. Only he is able to transform Brits into Europeans.

I hope you don't mind me being focussed on national interests. What's good for Europe is good for the world. :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> About Britain... -- Joe Taylor, 13:17:57 05/09/04 Sun (sacssrv2.sacs.org/209.36.127.4)

But look at Britain: do you think many Brits are fond of being the US poodle?

I don't know, but they're more apathetic, pro-American, and anti-EU than they seem. Besides, Blair still appears to have solid support :-(.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, this may change - European unity is a long-time project anyway.... -- Robert, 14:02:37 05/09/04 Sun (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)

I guess it will take another 50 years to consolidate the stuff.

BTW, the other SC meanwhile is password protected. Seems you and Larry were right about him. If he somewhat represents the average Americans - well, then they don't deserve better than Bush.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well from my point of view -- Hierophant, 17:58:20 05/09/04 Sun (adsl-65-64-124-64.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net/65.64.124.64)

I'm still pro-Bush all the way as of right now. I don't agree with everything he does, like the whole Mexico Imigration issue...and the gas prices are kind of annoying, but I really don't think Kerry has what it takes. I don't trust him and I don't think he even knows where he really stands. He's TO concentrated on only beating Bush that he's not clearly outlining his plans for the country. I've been following Kerry closely just to check him out and I still have little knowledge of what he plans to do. He'll stand up there and say "I'm going to create thousands of jobs" then fail to clearly demonstrate how. Not to mention he's weak on defense. I don't even have to give examples for that and I want someone strong on defense cause America is at war and will always be at war with terrorists, etc. There will be no peace for this country as long as the world spins. Or until we rid of the extremists around the world........which would require help from everyone else, including europe, which will never happen. Even though we've laid down millions of lives for germany, france, poland, etc........and not to mention our complete support for germany against communist russia.

We assemble some of the largest armies known in the world, go to europe and crush the Nazi regime.....TWICE, losing thousands and thousands of lives......well, ok i'm just gonna say this. I think its assinine bullshit that considering all we've done for the european nations, that no one over there can even try to help us weed out third world terrorists who despise democracy. Its simple enough. Look at how far the U.S. and Britian have come. Imagine if the whole world pitched in? The problem would be solved within months....untill the documents of the oil for food scandal between France, Germany, and Iraq came out.

Oh well......all throughout history European nations have done nothing but pacify and appeal to brutal dictators, only to be gutted like a fish eventually.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, I don't deny you your opinion..... :) -- Robert, 09:44:03 05/10/04 Mon (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)

though it may not be a fault to somewhat update your historical knowledge and maybe check different views of the stuff.
Until then I don't think it's of use to debate it.

And it's slightly off topic anyway. The only thing I've mentioned is, that according to my opinion the US position was significantly weakened throughout the past two years. You're free to disagree though.:)

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[> [> [> [> [> Hell i'm surprised you know who he is -- Hierophant, 05:09:03 05/10/04 Mon (adsl-64-219-129-119.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net/64.219.129.119)

Seeing as how Fox News is banned in Canada, those who try to get it in thier homes are fined thousands of dollars with possible jail time and all you DO get is the BBC with thier clear liberal agenda. But wait, Shaun and I are the ones with slandered media and don't get all the stories and are "misguided". Forgot.

Oh I also forgot to mention that communist governments are really the only ones that normally put bans on news channels, etc.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Never heard of any of that..... not that I'd bother watching american news anyway. If I watch news, I watch it to be informed, not manipulated, so no, I don't watch american news. -- Lethal Larry, 09:10:46 05/10/04 Mon (px3wh.vc.shawcable.net/24.69.255.204)


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> But part of being informed is knowing all sides of the situation and creating your position. Hell, I still watch CNN occasionally just to see what they're saying about everything -- Hierophant, 12:36:03 05/10/04 Mon (adsl-66-140-86-135.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net/66.140.86.135)

Though it often requires duct tape to hold my eyes open, lol. Its obvious that a lot of the European news are anti-bush..but I still pay attention just to see what they are saying.

Though I will agree. The news in America is clearly slandered and smeared all over to reflect the stations own agenda. Its so obvious. I like Sean Hannity......but I don't take everything he says seriously because he's an open conservative with an agenda. I prefer Bill Oreilly.....he keeps his own political stance fairly quiet and will attack ANYONE, left or right. He recently did a column on the American Media and how its getting more and more fucked up and used for personal gain rather then to inform the public.

There's no doubt in my mind the public is being hurt by the media more then its being helped. Something DOES need to be done. I watch Fox because I really believe they're more balanced then anyone else. They have a few liberal hosts, a few conservatives, then nuetrals (Like Brit Hume, etc)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> And you've never heard of that? Check it out.......... -- Hierophant, 15:25:33 05/10/04 Mon (adsl-66-140-86-135.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net/66.140.86.135)


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[> [> [> [> Well, yeah..... -- Robert, 06:57:15 05/08/04 Sat (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)

but I guess for starters like me it shouldn't be more than 6 minutes. Even this might be too much, but maybe I'll manage somehow, I'm pretty tough.

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