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Date Posted: 16:05:55 02/07/04 Sat
Author: Robert
Author Host/IP: host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de / 131.188.93.25
Subject: Just found a nice list with lots of links, contains economy and stuff too, maybe have a look there...
In reply to:
Robert
's message, "Take this one, the other post was messed by copying the stuff over and I didn't check it. :)" on 14:47:06 02/06/04 Fri
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One additional thing that came to me - more than 500 Americans died until now. They had agreed to risk their life to defend America. There wasn't such a threat however, and the administration was aware of it.
Neither they nor their families had agreed to do it to 'liberate' some other country, the backup 'reason' that was entered when the other stuff increasingly failed. Nor had they agreed to risk their life to promote US supremacy in middle east.
Do you think it's correct to deceive who risk their lives? Just using them to promote interestsof some people?
In Vietnam about 60.000 Americans lost their life - to 'defend' America. The war was lost, long ago, but I never heared of any Vietnamese coming to attack America. So how could it have been defence? And who is responsible for their death? Someone who kills another person is a murderer. What about the guys who are responsible for the death of 60.000 - without any reason that would justify it? Did they agree to be killed for no reason?
There are a lots of really dirty tricks going on IMO, then as well as now.
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Being in the military... -- Joe Taylor, 23:18:08 02/07/04 Sat (wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com/66.185.84.70)
...automatically means complete loss of individuality. Oaths don't matter; all that matters is strictly following orders without thinking. By enlisting, soldiers have agreed to die, be tortured, and lose their selves completely for the sake of the state.
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So? -- Hero of Time, 23:35:47 02/07/04 Sat (68-119-244-175-rcp2.ubr1.wrbg.mo.charter.com/68.119.244.175)
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So, whenever they die on duty - in combat or not - they die for the country. -- Joe Taylor, 10:24:36 02/09/04 Mon (wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com/66.185.84.70)
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So? -- Heroic So Fucking What?, 14:00:06 02/10/04 Tue (adsl-64-219-129-13.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net/64.219.129.13)
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How is this supposed to work? -- Robert, 07:12:53 02/11/04 Wed (NoHost/131.188.93.25)
Actually it doesn't work this way. For example an army where soldiers strictly follow orders without thinking isn't of any use. That's why only really stupid people would make up such an army. *L*
Soldier is a job, just like police. Of course there's lot of stuff that's not contained in the job description he agreed with.
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"The job description he agreed with" includes complete submission to the country. -- Joe Taylor, 18:29:12 02/11/04 Wed (wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com/66.185.84.70)
Of course thinking is permitted, as long as it's only about minute stuff such as in what order to shoot the people charging at you, or sometimes more advanced tactics if you're an officer. Moral judgment is only a liability, though, and is not allowed at all. This is only implicit in the enlistment form, but it's there.
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Of course you're told to do stuff... -- Robert, 08:21:08 02/12/04 Thu (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)
but the way you do it is quite a bit up to you. It's more effective this way. IIRC this was first adopted by German army in WW2 - I have a book about the development of military stuff at home burt I tend to forget the details.
But whatever you do agree with when enlisting, don't know the text - it definitely doesn't contain to 'die so that Haliburton may live and get tons of profit'. *L*
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It doesn't, but it says "do everything the country tells you," and right now the country tells the troops to die for Halliburton and Bechtel -- Joe Taylor, 17:32:59 02/12/04 Thu (wc03.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com/66.185.84.70)
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Hey, what did you smoke???.... -- Robert, 05:42:59 02/14/04 Sat (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)
never managed to hear a country talk. *L*
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Is there anything you're ever happy about? -- Heroic Depressant, 05:12:30 02/14/04 Sat (68-119-245-135-rcp2.ubr1.wrbg.mo.charter.com/68.119.245.135)
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Me?..... -- Robert, 05:40:14 02/14/04 Sat (host093025.phil.uni-erlangen.de/131.188.93.25)
Is there anything I should be happy about?.... *sigh*
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