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Date Posted: 06:04:46 03/19/03 Wed
Author: James
Subject: Re: Leahy comes through for Vermont but shafts women
In reply to: Eric 's message, "Re: Leahy comes through for Vermont but shafts women" on 04:47:42 03/19/03 Wed

Eric,

Spend less time assigning motives and more time breathing and you won't be so uptight. Are the gays that don't support civil unions or gay marriage homophobic? I think they would be suprised to hear that they were. DOMA is not anti-gay. I never said I was a fan of Barr or Sheltra so don't make illogical jumps about people whom you know nothing about. Marriage as an institution has been denegrated to a point of not really mattering anymore, it was and should be a lifelong commitment formed out of love but there is also a responsibility inherent within it, procreation. You may disagree with all the experts, but a strong family with a father and a mother is the best way to raise a child. I don't believe in out of wedlock births, does that amke me anti singles?
Don't assign motives to others especially if all you can assume is the worst. I disagree with a lot of people but I try to look at the argument from all points of view before jumping to a conclusion that those that feel differently than I do are monsters. Killing fully formed babies through partial birth abortion is a monsterous act but I don't go around calling everyone that supports the act murderers and monsters. You may disagree with my point of view and feel that myself or others have come to the wrong conclusions as I do about you, but assigning motives to those that hold different believes (unless they have clearly stated their motives) does little to advance the debate.


>DOMA isn't anti gay?
>
>Former Rep. Bob Barr, an anti gay activist, sponsored
>this legislative gay bashing to protect one of this
>three marriages. From what we'll never know and we'll
>also never know which of his marriages he was trying
>to "defend."
>
>Welcome to the anti gay club James. State Rep. Nancy
>Sheltra would be proud.
>
>>DOMA isn't anti gay and it is sad you feel that way.
>>Leahy supporting the ban on partial birth abortion is
>>one of the few things that he has done that is right.
>>Killing a fully formed child is indefensible to even
>>most pro choice individuals.
>>
>>
>>>I guess you missed the news last week. Leahy, the
>>>good "pro choice" Catholic, voted to outlaw so-called
>>>"partial birth abortion."
>>>
>>>So much for local control. But, then again, he voted
>>>for the anti gay Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).
>>>
>>>Thanks for nothing Pat!
>>>
>>>He's not as pure as you'd like us to believe but, in
>>>the end, I'll probably hold my nose and vote for him.
>>>
>>>I can imagine that Jack McMuffin is any better.
>>>
>>>>I think that you are going to have a hard time
>>finding
>>>>a viable candidate that has a better record on
>>>>stepping up to the plate in protection of a woman's
>>>>right to choose.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Leahy lost my support when he voted to ban
>so-called
>>>>>"partial birth abortion." Some liberal!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>March 8, 2003
>>>>>>The Associated Press:
>>>>>>"BURLINGTON — Efforts to fight pollution in Lake
>>>>>>Champlain got a big boost thanks to $6.9 million
>in
>>>>>>federal grants announced Friday by Sen. Patrick
>>>>>Leahy."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://timesargus.nybor.com/Regional_News/Story/61
>9
>>4
>>>7
>>>>.
>>>>>h
>>>>>>tml
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you Pat!

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