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Subject: just sharing


Author:
michael
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Date Posted: 11:40:38 06/09/05 Thu

Not looking for an argument here, just thought this was worth reading for perspective:

Seeing Red


Hillary Clinton and Howard Dean rage against Republicans. It's not a winning approach.

Thursday, June 9, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

I don't know that Democrats understand how Republicans experience the attacks Democratic leaders make on them. I'm not sure they know how they sound to us.

In America there is a lot of political integration. Democrats and Republicans are friends. Life forces them to be if they need to be forced, which most don't. They know each other from the office, Little League, school meetings, the neighborhood. Actually America is mostly filled with people who say not "I'm a Democrat" and "I'm a Republican," but "I voted for Bush" and "I like McCain" and "I voted for Kerry." They identify by personal action more than political party, at least in my experience.

Washington is more politically segregated. In Washington, Democrats by and large hang out with Democrats, Republicans with Republicans. This is true in consulting, in think tanks, in journals, in Congress. If you work for a Democratic senator, the office is full of Democrats. The people with whom you share inside jokes and the occasional bitter aside are Democrats. The "neighborhood" in which you go to meetings during your long days is Democratic. The same is true for Republicans.

And it's inevitable. The structure of things decrees it, as does human nature. Like-minded people seek like-minded people for stimulating conversation and more.

So in some key ways in Washington, the most politically engaged individuals in both parties do not understand each other. This expresses itself in certain assumptions. Democrats think Republicans are mean. Republicans know Democrats are the mean party.

Knowing that, let's do a thought experiment. Close your eyes and imagine this.

President Bush is introduced at a great gathering in Topeka, Kan. It is the evening of June 9, 2005. Ruffles and flourishes, "Hail to the Chief," hearty applause from a packed ballroom. Mr. Bush walks to the podium and delivers the following address.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I want to speak this evening about how I see the political landscape. Let me jump right in. The struggle between the Republican Party and the Democratic Party is a struggle between good and evil--and we're the good. I hate Democrats. Let's face it, they have never made an honest living in their lives. Who are they, really, but people who are intent on abusing power, destroying the United States Senate and undermining our Constitution? They have no shame.

But why would they? They have never been acquainted with the truth. You ever been to a Democratic fundraiser? They all look the same. They all behave the same. They have a dictatorship, and suffer from zeal so extreme they think they have a direct line to heaven. But what would you expect when you have a far left extremist base? We cannot afford more of their leadership. I call on you to help me defeat them!"

Imagine Mr. Bush saying those things, and the crowd roaring with lusty delight. Imagine John McCain saying them for that matter, or any other likely Republican candidate for president, or Ken Mehlman, the head of the Republican National Committee.
Can you imagine them talking this way? Me neither. Because they wouldn't.

Messrs. Bush, McCain, et al., would find talk like that to be extreme, damaging, desperate. They would understand it would tend to add a new level of hysteria to political discourse, and that's not good for the country. I think they would know such talk is unworthy in a leader, or potential leader, of a great democracy. I think they would understand that talk like that is destructive to the ties that bind--and to the speaker's political prospects.

Why don't Hillary Clinton and Howard Dean know this? And what does it mean that they do not know it?

For as you know, the color-coded phrases in the "Bush speech" above come from speeches and statements given by Sen. Clinton and Democratic chairman Dean recently. (Mrs. Clinton's comments are in green and Mr. Dean's in purple, and I changed "right" to "left.")

Clinton is likely the next Democratic nominee for president. Mr. Dean is the head of the Democratic Party. They are important and powerful. They may one day run the country. It is disturbing that they speak as they do.

How do people who are not part of the Democratic base react to their statements? I think something like this: What's wrong with these people? Don't they understand they lower things with their name calling and bitter language? If this is how they feel free to present themselves in public, what will they do and say in private if they ever run the country?

If Mr. Bush ever spoke this way, most Republicans would feel embarrassment. I would be among the legions who would denounce his statement. Democrats are half the country; it is offensive to label them as hateful, it's wrong. Even though we're torn by disagreements, there is an old and unspoken tradition that we're all in this together, we're all citizens together. It is destructive to act against this tradition.

One assumes all the media, especially the MSM, would treat the speech as if it were an epochal event in the Bush presidency, and the beginning of the end. They would say he was unleashing the dark forces of division; they would label his statement as manipulative, malevolent, immature.

And they'd be right.

There is a tradition of political generosity that prevails among the normal people of America, a certain live-and-let-live-ness. That is why Little League games don't break out in fistfights, at least over politics. You don't shun people in the neighborhood because they're Democrats, and you don't inform the Republican in the next cubicle that he is evil, lazy and racist. That just doesn't play in America. There are breaches, exceptions, incidents. We are not angels. But by and large even though we disagree with each other, and even if we come to dislike each other, we maintain, for reasons both moral and practical, decorum. Civility. We keep a lid on it. We don't lower it to the level of invective. We don't by nature seek to divide.

When you have been in Washington long enough and have become consumed by your place in the political struggle, you can lose sight of the American arrangement. You can become harsh and shrill. You can become the sort of person who would start the fight at the Little League game. You can become--how might a columnist, as opposed to a political leader, put it?--a jackass. But not a funny one, a destructive one, the type that can knock down the barn it took the farmer years to build.

The comportment of Hillary Clinton and Howard Dean is actually not worthy of America. Their statements suggest they are in no way equal to the country they seek to lead. And something tells me that sooner or later America is going to tell them. But in a generous, mature and fair-minded way.

Ms. Noonan is a contributing editor of The Wall Street Journal and author of "A Heart, a Cross, and a Flag" (Wall Street Journal Books/Simon & Schuster), a collection of post-Sept. 11 columns, which you can buy from the OpinionJournal bookstore. Her column appears Thursdays.


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[> Subject: Re: just sharing (& I hijacked your soapbox)


Author:
Katy
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Date Posted: 22:42:22 06/11/05 Sat

I have heard Dean's comment's, hadn't Clinton's. Dean is getting a lot of neg. press for his mouthing off, and from what I understand a talking to at least from other Dem. Politico’s as he should. I imagine it won't do Hilary any good either politically. It's too bad too because they both have something to offer if they will direct their energies more positively. However while I may not be happy about this even more negative turn in party relationships, I still generally favor the Democrats over the Republican's politically. I vote for the person or issue rather than the party but that still puts me in a liberal place generally. On the other hand I was pleased to see that Bush is pledging more aid to Africa and debt relief for 3rd world countries. I am very interested in the G8 summit, and the movement by various groups to work for human rights; the Live 8 concerts by Bob Geldoff & Co., one.org, bread.org, careusa.org/ , and data.org/ , just to mention a few. There are more. I am happy to see attention turned to solving problems in a positive way, and with the promise and hope of long term goals rather than a bandaid of a few million dollars and then ignoring the plight of these peoples for another few years. We should function more as a global society I think, and in humane ways, not as policemen. Also the focus of these groups is to direct the various government and political bodies to act, not to collect money. This is also going on in the U.K., France, Germany, Spain, Canada, & Japan already, with more to come, and the governments who will benefit have to sign a pact including such measures as fair trade, debt relief, fighting corruption and directing additional resources for basic needs – education, health, clean water, food, and care for orphans. There is a lot more information on the sites listed, and more links. If you don’t like those there are others that have been in place longer such as http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/index.shtml, and http://www.savethechildren.org/. If you don’t already do something for others, start now. I can’t give money right now so signing documents, and writing letters to put pressure on our government to help is what I’m doing. Yay for activism. Everybody get some!
( I thought I had made hyperlinks but they didn't work so you'll have to cut and paste, but do go check them out).

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[> [> Subject: Re: just sharing (& I hijacked your soapbox)


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Beth
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Date Posted: 17:27:57 06/14/05 Tue

World Vision is great too; that's who I mostly give to because Haley and I both sponsor WV children, so we get a lot of information from them on what they're doing. I got a thank you cd from them that tells what they did and are continuing to do to help tsunami victims. I think Samaritan's Purse is another good one, but I haven't looked into them as much.

I would like to work for World Vision someday. Doing what I have no idea, but . . . something.

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