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Date Posted: 02:53:07 12/20/02 Fri
Author: 老陳
Subject: 反廿三條的理據很簡單，它毀壞法治
In reply to: 方綺 's message, "一篇頗長的論述回應方便大家深入思考" on 02:06:26 12/18/02 Wed

香港法律源於英國法律，屬歐美民主制度國家體系，法庭擁有完全獨立於任何政治部門的自主性，上可審判總統及國王，每一種罪名有詳細的定義，何謂強姦，何謂非禮，何謂企圖強姦，何謂雞姦，唔會搞錯。何謂誤殺，何謂謀殺，何謂意外死亡，所須的入罪條件不同。97後我們看到的是:

董建華梁愛詩義釋胡仙
董建華要求人大釋法，直接干預香港特區法治
某大法官兒子犯罪在政據充份的情形下獲判無罪

以上反映的是: 政治干預了法治甚至凌駕法治

廿三條原則上當然無錯，每一個國家都應該有它維護安全的法例，然而如李柱銘說(本人甚憎李柱銘其人，但我同意他這句話): the devil lies on the details。

在政府62頁的廿三條建議書上，我們看到很多治罪的原則，定義從缺，何謂叛國，何謂串謀，中間有大把空間俾董大人，梁大人，人大眾大人去詮釋，去發揮，不符合英美法律或從前香港法律的體制和原則，所以大律師公會和律師公會帶頭反對，因為直接影響到他們的利益和權威性，因為新的法例罪名的定義含混。同時，罪名的定義含混，冤獄的可能性就會大增，普羅大眾，人人有危機，分分鐘俾人屈。

此外廿三條警權過大，求其兩三粒花就可入我屋搜查，要求公開銀行資料，有冇問題大家憑自己的價值觀判斷。

老陳一直主張讀作品請讀原著，唔好未睇原著齋睇評論，廿三條白紙黑字62頁政府網頁可下載，無論支持定反對，大佬，如果未睇晒就唔好講住啦，執人口水尾，點都會有d差錯。不過責任上，讀得過。

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我地里頭跳腳, 政府果頭照去, 這是香港無落實民權的悲哀 -- 方綺, 04:25:19 12/20/02 Fri
- 董建華班擦鞋仔會安慰老董，有6萬人上街反對，即係有99%人贊成 (NT) -- 老陳, 20:12:38 12/20/02 Fri
  - 其實我到而家都無睇過23條的詳細內容，淨係知佢會肯制自由，同埋政府故意收收埋埋咁，唔方好野咁囉 (NT) -- Anne, 02:51:57 12/28/02 Sat
    - 角度 -- 遙, 18:57:03 12/29/02 Sun
      - 問題是 -- 老陳, 20:21:28 12/29/02 Sun
        老陳好勁! -- 遙, 21:22:11 12/29/02 Sun
        面對很簡單，閱讀原著啦 -- 老陳一D都唔勁，廿三條一通過可能第一個龜縮, 08:15:54 12/30/02 Mon

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