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] Date Posted: 12:40:20 11/02/04 Tue In reply to: Ian (Australia) 's message, "The countries proposed for federation" on 17:44:10 10/31/04 Sun Am I right in thinking that the Maori Council has stated explicitly that, shoudl NZ decide to become a Republic, the Maoris would form an independent Maori state loyal to the Crown, since their treaties were signed with the British government (the Crown in Parliament) and not with the often unscrupulous settlers? If so, then we could easily end up with Maori New Zealanders as part of the FC and Anglo-Saxon New Zealanders outside it. How does that square with the comments here about creating a "White's Only Club"? Frankly, if anything, this raises my concern that this is predominantly a monarchists' movement. Calvin's Case of 1608 established that common nationality was defined by a common sovereign, and I don't think that this is what the FC is about... it's supposed to be about bringing nations together where they have a common cultural patrimony. This can be true of nations which do not have the same head of state: Luxembourg and France, for example; or Germany and Austria; or the pre-twentieth century rhetoric in Britain and the USA which represented both as part of the Greater Britain...just some members lived in a Republic and others a monarchy. If our arguments against bringing in Pakistan and India et alia are to be based on the Crown, then we must be very careful. Such an attitude, taking Calvin's Case as legal precedent, could be very dangerous: should any of the Big Four become republics, they would ipso facto be ineligible for the FC, and frankly that is not an attractive prospect. Indeed, it defeats the whole object of this excercise. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:00:05 11/02/04 Tue We all know that the "White's only club" accusations are completely unfounded. They are most likely levelled at us by those who would rather see Britain in the Socialist Republic of Europe - a club that will prove its "white-only" credentials more than the Federal Commonwealth ever will. Although this is not a Monarchist movement per se, I think people realise that the Monarchy is a significant part of the shared culture, values and heritage that we talk about. It is the only political entity that binds the CANZUK countries together at present. If the Monarch were to disappear in any of the CANZUK countries, who is to say that the political systems would not change beyond recognition, as the Westminster system of Government is designed around a constitutional monarch? What has created the commonality that we have identified amongst the four main countries of the FC that we do not have with other former colonies such as the USA? I would say that it is the political system, of which the Monarchy is an intrinsic part. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:03:22 11/02/04 Tue I agree; but all I wanted to say before was that making the Crown a 'sine qua non' for the FC is probably too prescriptive. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:10:05 11/02/04 Tue I tend to think that if one of our countries chooses to go republic then that is a sign that they are unlikely to see themselves as part of a global british culture. It isn't that the fact of being a republic excludes them, rather than showing that they exclude themselves. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |