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] Date Posted: 15:45:41 01/06/05 Thu In reply to: Ed Harris (London) 's message, "I don't wish to be unkind, but..." on 23:46:25 01/05/05 Wed "You seem to suggest that it is somehow hypocritical to be in favour of Commonwealth federation but against European federation. Why?" I didn't say that, I said it's hypocritical to complain about no Union Jack, but then complain about the EU flag, or then complain about the Scotch flag being up there in the first place. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (London) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:32:40 01/06/05 Thu If you call the Scots "scotch" then it is clear that you know as much about the place as undiscovered tribes in the Amazon with bones through their noses know about the bisexual imagery in the novels of Yukio Mishima. And anyway, the flags themselves aren't the problem, it's what they represent, innit? If you define yourself as European, you'll want the EU logo all over the place. If you define yourself as British, you'll want the Union Flag. If you define yourself as Scottish, then naturally you'll want St Andrew's saltire draped on public buildings. And, when this is turned on its head, we see a concomitant hostility towards certain flags depending on one's self-definition. Since the constitution of the UK precludes an independent Scottish identity, then someone who defines himself as Scottish will not like the Jack. Since the ambition of the EU is to end the independent identity of Britain, then someone who defines himself as British will not like that ring of stars thing, hereinafter to be known as the EuroLogo. Since the intransigence of the EU's constituent nations, especially the UK, is standing in the way of the European Project, then someone who defines himself as European will naturally feel uncomfortable with the Union Flag. It's quite simple, really. Hypocrisy doesn't enter into it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: andrew [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:45:38 01/06/05 Thu "It's quite simple, really. Hypocrisy doesn't enter into it." "If you define yourself as British, you'll want the Union Flag. If you define yourself as Scottish, then naturally you'll want St Andrew's saltire draped on public buildings." And if you define yourself as European etc etc That's what I mean. One or two people actually do. I consider myself "European", but not in that sense. I am culturally European, but I don't support the EU. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (London) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:10:48 01/06/05 Thu I would say that I am European by race and geography only. I don't think that there is a European culture - rather lots of cultures which, through proximity, have more in common than they do with cultures which evolved far away. A Spaniard has more culturally in common with a Dane than he does with a Thai, but this does not mean that he has the same culture as a Dane. What the FCS is about is uniting four countries whose cultures are so close as to make them virtually identical: not exactly identical, of course, but more similar than, say, British culture with Greek culture. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: andrew [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:19:25 01/06/05 Thu "I would say that I am European by race and geography only. I don't think that there is a European culture - rather lots of cultures which, through proximity, have more in common than they do with cultures which evolved far away. A Spaniard has more culturally in common with a Dane than he does with a Thai, but this does not mean that he has the same culture as a Dane. " I don't think there is either. But I think it is mythological to talk about much of a Commonwealth culture these days, if it's there it's insubstantial. British culture? Well they've tried their damndest to create one... but all I see is a BBC which fills its comedy shows with anti-Welsh jokes, and stereotyped Scots, not to mention various English "provincials" being similarly portrayed in the media. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:43:46 01/06/05 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |