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Subject: Hehe

Author:
Ed Harris (Venezia)

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Date Posted: 12:22:21 11/30/04 Tue
In reply to: Ian (Australia) 's message, "Eureka letter" on 19:38:39 11/29/04 Mon

Come on, you can't say that you haven't had exactly the same experiences in Britain itself! "Oh," says some posh chap with the name Sebastian Sacheverell Montpellier Smythe-Stewart, "I'm not rahly British, you know. No indeed. My great grandmother was from Azerbaijan, so you see." Everyone is bending over backwards to try and dig up something exotic in their ancestry.

And the only people who don't are the immigrants. I, for example, descended from a bunch of Polish rabbis and Ukranian slug-farmers or some such ghastly thing, am happy to call myself British. Ditto my other half, who is Indian.

Once again, the Yanks have stolen a march on us with an innovative solution to the problem: hyphen-culture. Long ago, they realised that immigrants who were completely integrated were in some way ashamed of themselves for being so integrated, and would call themselves all sorts of daft things which they were evidently not. Step in the Italian-Americans, African-Americans, Polish-Americans... Bravo. Might not work here, though, where we have a much more cultural rather than racial conception of nationality.

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[> Subject: racial ancestry
Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:17:11 12/01/04 Wed For some rediculous reason every chav will claim that he/she is half Cipriot/Spanish/Portugese/Italian, its so stupid. My mother is English and apparently my grand mother is German by birth. Oh woopy doo. I am Welsh, British, no more no less. Here I was born and here I shall die. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Youngsters
Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:37:20 12/01/04 Wed And hopefully, one day you will be able surf off the coast of Australia or fish in an Ontario lake without needing to take a passport to do either! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: too right, Jim: broader vision is a good thing
Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:45:42 12/01/04 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Unfortunately, 'chavs' are usually patriotic about the wrong country
Author: Roberdin [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:45:16 12/01/04 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: very true
Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:48:39 12/01/04 Wed That they are. I remeber my scottish P.E teacher having to explain to some english chavs at my shcool that England and Scotland were united. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: That is dispicable. The BBC should have a You and Your Country hour aimed at youngsters.
Author: Roberdin [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:56:57 12/01/04 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Haha!

Author:
Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 23:20:52 12/01/04 Wed

Admirable as such a thing might be, it would be considered as absurd in this country as an oath of allegiance to the flag in schools. I think it more likely that Tony Blair were suddenly to reveal in parliament that he is actually a woman called Cissy Fairfax than that the BBC will ever embrace a policy which might be accused of patriotism! In the opinion of the left-leading media, patriotism is for new countries, propaganda-based despotisms and the USA - hardly places which exhibit much pukkah anti-narrow-nationalism.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: agreed
Author: Owain(UK) [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:28:55 12/02/04 Thu I agree Roberdin. Though in all honesty why dont parents explain what the name of the country is and who the Queen is? My parnets did and I am all the better for it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]