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Subject: British presence


Author:
Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 01:46:19 12/10/04 Fri
In reply to: Paddy (Scotland) 's message, "Britain & Ireland" on 22:56:18 12/09/04 Thu

I haven't lived in Australia for six years now, and I spent the last six years of my time there in Darwin, which is barely even typical of itself, so I'm not sure how useful my memories will be, but as far as I can recall there was very little obvious British brand presence in the country.

No Tesco, no British newspapers (except things like the NME and Melody Maker that I used to buy back in the 80s), the odd HMV superstore, but I don't know that I would have noticed that it was British. BP petrol stations have been around forever. Virgin Blue is a more recent addition. There are endless reruns of the Bill on the ABC. There was also an English Theme Pub in Darwin called Rourke's Drift (don't ask me why that particular battle was thought to be so worthy of celebration) where a range of English beers were sold.

That's about it, really.

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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 12:26:29 12/10/04 Fri

We have lots of HMV stores in our big cities in Canada and I can buy the International Express, the Financial Times, the Telegraph and the Guardian in quite a few stores in Toronto.

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[> [> [> Subject: You get The Guardian?


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 12:36:37 12/10/04 Fri

I thought there were laws against the exporting of hazardous material.

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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 14:59:19 12/10/04 Fri

Canada seems like a sensible country and so I guess that the Guardian has a government health warning on it. Something like "Reading this seditious and probably treasonous material enganders your prospects in this world and seriously imperils them in the next". If the people who export it have any sense, it will also be stamped with the legend "Warning: this document is in no way indicative of the opinions of the British people. We disclaim all liability for any injuries incurred by suggesting, on the strength of this material, to a Briton that he is a whale-hugging Europhile peacenik with nostalgia for the old Russian government."

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[> [> Subject: Wait a sec...


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Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 21:46:34 12/10/04 Fri

I just got home from a secondhand bookshop where I was having a look at things in English (remembering that I live in Brazil) and, rather remarkably, found a novel by the 'Australian' Patrick White that I didn't previously have in my collection.

He wrote "The living and the dead" in England, where he had spent most of his life up to that point, having been born there while his parents were visiting and having been sent back to go to boarding school and so on. Had he died at this point (1941), he would have been remembered (if at all) as a British novelist, not an Australian one.

In the end, the distinction barely matters. The reason I'm writing this is because the book is a Penguin, and I have a fondness for the orange spines of Penguin books that could not comfortably sit with the idea of a "foreign" company. Of course Penguin is a British company, not an Australian one, but it is so much a part of my life that it simply didn't occur to me to mention it among the British brands present in Australia. As with Patrick White, it seems the distinction barely matters.

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[> [> Subject: Weren't the troops at Rourke's Drift Welsh?


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Nick (UK)
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Date Posted: 13:26:30 12/14/04 Tue

The 24th Foot and Mouth, or something like that. A delicious irony that should be the name of an English theme pub. Another nail in the coffin of the UK.

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[> [> [> Subject: Rorke's Drift


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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 16:20:33 12/14/04 Tue

They certainly were Welsh, from the South Wales Borderers (which I think was called the 24th Regiment at the time), and they sang 'Men of Harlech' as well as God Save the Queen at various points, I believe. Mind you, their officers were English and so were many of the men. They don't call it the 'British' Army for nothing...

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[> [> [> Subject: Rorkes Drift


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David (Australia)
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Date Posted: 08:20:26 12/15/04 Wed

Yes - South Wales Borderers (24th foot), you would expect some "foreigners" in a regiment situated near the border, but it is fairly sad nonetheless.

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