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] Date Posted: 16:50:44 11/25/04 Thu In reply to: Paddy (Scotland) 's message, "Any yobbo can become "Emperor". A King is special." on 09:43:16 11/25/04 Thu Perhaps you have a point. The limitations are: In Japan the Mikado ("exalted gate") has never been in a position of real power. He has always been more of a figurehead than the actual ruler. To fit this latin title into the intricately complex Japanese system is not quite possible, although now the title has stuck and Japan is now described as an Empire. Victoria only emphasises my point in that she had nothing to do with the former Empires in India and was declared Empress of India without any continuity. My point is that a monarch has about him a certain chivalric, Tolkien-style nobility about him (not always in practice, I'll admit!) while an Emperor has no such TITLE to the post and may well be an upstart. Notable exceptions to prove the rule are the self-declared King Zog of Albania (very romantic figure!) and the late Hapsburg Austro-Hungarian Emperors. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:08:50 11/25/04 Thu Ah, but His Majesty King Zog of the Albanians - at least, the previous one who was ousted by the Commies and not the young fat one - is one of the few monarchs to have won a place in the Guiness Book of Records, holding the title for 'most cigarettes smoked daily'. Weighing in at an average of just under two hundred, he was a truly world-class smoker, and died in his 90s. Of course, the very title "emperor" yields some etymological problems. It was first used by the Roman emperors... but only when they were commanding armies ('imperare - to command', 'imperator - one who commands', of course), and the rest of the time they used 'Caesar'. This got into various languages, including German (Kaiser), Russian (Csar) and early-Byzantine Greek (Kaisar). Other people whom we call emperors did not call themselves anything of the kind - the Japanese, as you point out, were Mikados; the Mughal Emperors were called 'Shehen-shaah' (great king); and so on. I suppose that its first use as primary title for a monarch was Napoleon's 'empreur', which he chose deliberately because he was a specifically military dictator in the mein of Trajan; and as such I think that the point in your first post was dead right. Nevertheless, I think that Victoria made a splendid empress, and the two Edwards and two Georges after her made smashing Emperors. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Paddy (Scotland) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:20:58 11/26/04 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Paddy (Scotland) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:22:06 11/26/04 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |