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Caroline
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Date Posted: 15:25:25 05/20/03 Tue
In reply to:
Tim
's message, "Re: The Mother of All Proposals" on 15:24:18 05/19/03 Mon
Right, this is as far down this thread as I have the time to go, so someone will have to give me a edited version in an email if I am completely misunderstanding.
1. I am against odds and sods or raggy doll collection of people that did not make a team.
2. Amalgamation of teams does not have to be all year, surely that is crap?
Take this: IVDC pretty much always happens on holidays at York, as our term dates are screwey, this has been the case for the past 2 years. So while I may normally have 6-8 beginners couples, and one more advanced couple on a good day when there are not to many exams/projects, at IVDC I could only get 2 couples to meet up with me. So why should we have to amalgamate all year if we do not need to? We only almalgamate when we are desperate.
Amalgamate when you need to, in advance, where it is planned. And if you have 1 and a half teams, and someone has half a team, the ali can sit on the side lines and make sure that only the full team represents the uni, and the half team say YORK/HULL is treat like a separate team as if it was from hogwarts or something.
Really seems this discussion is trying to make life too difficult. My opinion:
Scrap the odds and sods, if you have incomplete teams,(I.e you do not already have an a/b/c/d team) inform the organiser, they suggest an amalgamation, and if it is necessary, the standing committee aggrees.
Amalgamated teams are either treat as separate teams, or a fair way of splitting the scores is devised...
Sorry if someone already read something more coherant, but my eyes are killing me and I can not handle my computer playing up to force myself to read any more...
>At the moment, any amalgamation requires standing
>committee approval, and that should remain.
>Furthermore, it is not possible for couples that
>haven't been selected to amalgamate - whole
>universities must amalgamate or not. It seem to me
>that these rules take out all the problems talked
>about. I am not in favour of any move that extends
>these sorts of decisions to the executive - one key
>strength of the IVDA constitution is the separation of
>the executive and the judiciary (roughly the hosts and
>the standing committee) and that should be preserved
>at all costs.
>
>My view is that this system is fine. Those couples
>that haven't been selected for the team match - tough
>luck. Half the excitement of the team match is knowing
>that you have been selected ahead of the odds and sods
>(at least at the big universities). It is an exclusive
>thing, a prestige thing. Allowing odds and sods to
>enter would undermine that.
>
>I am perfectly happy, for example, to have York, Hull,
>Carlisle, Middlesbrough and Newcastle (three new clubs
>and two small existing ones) dance together, but this
>amalgamation should be between the whole teams all
>year, not just a few couples at one competition. That
>will preserve the cohesive collective spirit which is
>the essence of the university circuit.
>
>
>
>>>I agree in general that odds n sods teams should only
>>>be comprised of couples from universities who can't
>>>enter a full team of their own. That's the whole
>point
>>>of it.
>>
>>Fair enough, I agree in general with your comemnts -
>>I'll take the beginner clause out.
>>
>>Tim: two-uni combinations etc. will still suffer from
>>the same problems - what if a 10 couple uni
>>amalgamates with a 4-couple uni? It's also open to
>>abuse by two small unis with one or two good couples,
>>or even by, say, Bristol and Sheffield joining forces
>>and disregarding the leftover couples.
>>
>>I think the idea behind the odds team is to pick up
>>the people for whom team cohesion is already
>>irrelevant - then give them some semblance of cohesion
>>and a chance of actually getting somewhere. A 1-couple
>>novice team won't get anywhere, and will be pointless
>>to enter, but a 4-couple novice odds team will be a
>>lot more fun, without compromising anything else.
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