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Subject: Vpechatleniya ot Northern Ireland

Author: Ercaidh

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Fri, Nov 08 2002, 10:34:37 In reply to: MacRua 's message, "Íóæåí ëè Èðëàíäèè Ñåâåð ?" on Fri, Nov 08 2002, 7:28:35 Na samom dele sozdaetsa vpechatlenie, chto v poslednee vremya situatsiya znachitel'no uspokoilas' - tak, syezdiv nedavno v Derry i okrestnosti, ya smog ubeditsa v znachitel'noy "liberalizatsii" obstanovki: na tsentral'nih ulitsah (i otnyud' ne v katolicheskih kvartalah) vpolne mozhno uslishat' pesni "Wolfe Tones" dovol'no nedvusmislennogo soderzhaniya (bez vsyakoy na to reaktsii so storoni kogo bi to ni bilo), politkorrektnie angliyskie "okkupatsionniye" vlasti dubliruyut bol'shinstvo ukazateley i ob'yavleniy na Gaelic (vrode Londonderry / Doire), nikakih vooruszhennih patruley, i dazhe stol' zhe "nepolitkorrektniy" pamyatnik zaschitnikam Derry "from Jacobite troops" vlasti iz uvazheniya k mestnomu naseleniyu ubrali s gorodskih sten. Granitsi nikakoy ne zametno voobshe, i edinstvennim priznakom, po kotoromu ya ponyal, chto nahozhus' uzhe v Donegal'e (a granitsa prohodit bukval'no po prigorodam), bilo to, chto, zaydya v magazin, vmesto tsen v privichnih funtah ya uvidel onie v euro... I vse! Chto zhe kasaetsa otnosheniya k etoy probleme mestnogo naseleniya, to, naskol'ko ya mog videt', kazhdiy uzhe davnim-davno dlya sebya vse reshil - kto iz nih irlandets, a kto net. Sozdaetsa vpechatlenie, chto irlandsami schitayut sebya vse, i na to, kto tam kem upravlyaet, podderzhivaet poryadok, zanimaetsa kommunal'nimi problemami etc., vsem gluboko naplevat'. Kstati, paradox: nigde, krome kak v co. Derry, ya ne posetil stol'ko traditional music sessions! Bolee togo, za 2 dnya, chto ya bil tam, ya posetil TRI ceili dance parties i bil svidetelem Irish dance competition, v to vremya kak za bolee chem mesyats prebivaniya v Dubline ya ne smog uvidet' NICHEGO v etom rode! Kak kazhetsa, "gaelic spirit" bolee vsego silen imenno tam - vozmozhno iz-za togo, chto dolgoe vremya vsyakoe proyavlenie "irishness" tam ne privetstvovalos'. Konechno, suschestvuyut tam i "problemnie kvartali", gde uroven' prestupnosti dovol'no visok; kak pravilo, oni kontroliruyutsa protestantskimi ili katolicheskimi gruppirovkami. Odnako tam, i eto srazu yasno, prozhivayut takie marginali, chto mestnoe dobroporyadochnoe naselenie tuda voobshe ne zahodit. Lyumpen-proletariat, kak skazali bi u nas... Kstati, toch-v-toch takie zhe kvartali suschestvuyut i v Limerick'e, gde nikakogo religioznogo protivostoyaniya uz prosto bit' ne mozhet... a viglyadyat sovershenno odinakovo, razve chto nadpisi na stenah chut' drugie. Prosto slozhilos'tak, chto selyatsa tam sem'yi prestupnikov i bezrabotnih. Kak kazhetsa, imenno v srede preslovutoy "kriminal'noy bednoti" i teplyatsa do sih por separatistskie / loyalistskie idei. Tak i v Rossii bilo - "lumpen naibolee revolyutsionen". I, sootvetstvenno, kuchka ne samih lutshih po svoim kachestvam lyudey, po suti, zastavlyaet schitatsa s soboy i politikov, i bol'shinstvo naseleniya, kotoroe otnositsa k nim odnoznachno negativno. Kstati, v svoih razgovorah s irladsami ya NI RAZU ne vstretil pozitivnogo otnosheniya k I.R.A. i tomu podobnomu. V lutshem sluchae reaktsiya: "It's a quiz for politicians, not ours. We don't care". Isklyuchenie - aktivisti Sinn Fein i podrostki iz bednih kvartalov, kotorie pishut na stenah "R.I.R.A. - Fuck off the Garda!" dazhe ne vdumivayas' v smisl; dlya nih "kruto", esli kto-to lupit politseyskih ili zzhet po nocham mashini... tak vot. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject	Author	Date
Êîëè òàê.. (+)	ionnraghtaig	Sun, Nov 10 2002, 2:02:16
Re: Êîëè òàê.. (+) -- MacRua, Mon, Nov 11 2002, 0:41:38 Re: Êîëè òàê.. (+) -- ionnraghtaigh, Tue, Nov 12 2002, 1:37:45 Re: Êîëè òàê.. (+) -- MacRua, Tue, Nov 12 2002, 2:48:29 Re: Êîëè òàê.. (+) -- Âàëüêèðà, Tue, Nov 12 2002, 5:05:29 Re: Êîëè òàê.. (+) -- MacRua, Tue, Nov 12 2002, 5:26:31 äà ÷åãî óæ òàì -- Âàëüêèðà, Wed, Nov 13 2002, 1:36:52 Re: äà ÷åãî óæ òàì -- MacRua, Wed, Nov 13 2002, 4:02:25 Re: äà ÷åãî óæ òàì -- ionnraghtaigh, Fri, Nov 22 2002, 3:13:27 À ìîæíî ÿ, ìîæíî ÿ !!!!!! -- MacRua, Fri, Nov 22 2002, 4:48:49 åùå ê âîïðîñó î íèêàïïèíãå -- MacRua, Fri, Nov 22 2002, 5:01:23 íèêàïïèíã -- ionnraghtaigh, Sun, Nov 24 2002, 0:30:45 Re: åùå ê âîïðîñó î íèêàïïèíãå -- Âàëüêèðà, Mon, Nov 25 2002, 6:49:23 Re: åùå ê âîïðîñó î íèêàïïèíãå -- MacRua, Mon, Nov 25 2002, 7:27:20 Re: åùå ê âîïðîñó î íèêàïïèíãå -- Âàëüêèðà, Tue, Nov 26 2002, 2:20:01
Re: Vpechatleniya ot Northern Ireland	Âàëüêèðà	Tue, Nov 12 2002, 5:01:49
Re: Vpechatleniya ot Northern Ireland -- Ercaidh, Tue, Nov 12 2002, 10:32:10