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Date Posted: - Tuesday - 12/ 4/12 - 1:02pm
Author: keoni
Subject: M40 purchase/Survey

I am in the final stages of a purchase of a M40.....wood hull...apparently a good solid boat...expect to do an (out of water) survey...(should say, have one done!). Can any of you owners out there give me any advice on some key areas to be concerned about that we can have an extra emphasis on during the survey? How about hull fasteners? Rigging...cabin roof (I do know this is one of areas that need some repair).
There is a guy that I've seen mentioned ( in this MOA Website, I think)that is one of the top experts (I think he also was involved in building Mariner Yachts)...anyone know/remember his name and contact info?

Boat is the NW(USA)..has been for quite a while.

Appreciate any info any of you provide

keoni

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[> Survey..etc.... -- Chedeng, - Wednesday - 12/26/12 - 1:04pm

Keoni....Looks like no one awake, or interested in what may be the most important phase of acqusition of a (older) boat...if that's what you're doing...we did a M40 sometime ago...survey, and all that stuff...watch out for surveyor(s) who seem to know only matters pertaining the hull...you might have to really do some research finding a person who can do the whole shebang....rigging, keel, and keelbolts, how about the motor (Perkins)...look at the (past) paperwork...has the boat been involved in a mishap...how about"worms"..if it's been in warm water...where is it now...the soundness of the masts (see previous posts pertaining to this subject here on MOA?...well, you get the "drift"....

Don't forget the electrical system...been known to be a general problem on Mariner boats if not maintained or updated....don't have to remind you of electronics...the rest of that stuff.Cabin, deck rot is a "general" problem....

Surprised to see how such an important subject did not gather any comment(s)

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[> [> hull work/checkout -- Chedeng, - Friday - 01/11/13 - 5:13pm

Keoni.....relative to your "new boat" purchase, we were just advised that in order to have a "older" wooden boat insured, if necessary, insurers will require that the craft hull be checked/documented for secure hull fasteners....we've heard of one Mariner where several fasteners were removed by a shipwright and found to be without threads! Now that could become a little problem halfway across the Pacific!
Have your surveyor check em' out.

I've been watching your original request for comment and and am VERY surprised that it has not gathered more comment. Does anyone look at this website...or is it just everyone is "tied up for the winter...if you're in the northern hemisphere

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[> I've got one -- Connor, - Thursday - 01/17/13 - 4:38pm

I've been musing this a few days as I tear out my cockpit decking. I think a good one would be to check the caulking anywhere you've got teak decking- I think limited to the cockpits on Mariners. Anyway, it's simple to check the integrity of the caulking- wet the surface down and let it dry. Spots that are not sealed will reveal themselves as they will not dry out like the others, so a small moist area will flag the places where the caulking is no good. This may reveal areas where the plywood beneath the teak has been subjected to repeated soakings. It may not be destroyed and only require a good drying followed by new caulking. However, it may be totally rotten there and to address it straight away is probably the best way to go, since it will only increase in seriousness over time (if it is rotten, to simply re-do the caulking is not good enough... the compromised wood should be replaced). Anyway, that's one that I didn't not do when I bought my boat and I'm paying the price now. In a few weeks and after a pretty solid effort, the structural integrity will be back, but I would rather be sailing.

-Connor
M31 115, Ardea

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[> [> Mariner 40 Survey -- keoni, - Thursday - 06/27/13 - 6:29pm

Conner.....Where's your Mariner (40?). I'm just about finished with the purchase. Lot's of story surrounding getting the thing surveyed. Problems in transom and cocpit....plus, cabin, deck etc.....1969 model. Did YOU do the work.

How about the mast(s)?

keoni

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