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Date Posted: - Wednesday - 09/12/07 - 10:39pm
Author: Matthieu
Subject: Mariner 32 for sale and a question

Hi,

First my Mariner 32 is for sale, I had a really wonderful time but will most likely move in the near future and would really like somebody to take good care of her. I did my best to keep it well maintained.
It is listed on the owners page there : http://www.marineryachts.com/owners/Unicorn/index.htm
There is also a broker who listed it there :
http://tinyurl.com/33vc8d
If interested, please call me at (408) 732 7340 or send me an email.

Beside that, I have one question.
As you can see on the pictures, my boat does not have the nice bowsprit like other M32.
One person who was interested in buying the boat made rough measurements and it did not seem to make it up to the 32'.
But on the other side, the hull id is MRX322040679 which was a proof to the broker I bought it from that it was in fact an M32.
And also I believe most M31 have a different engine model, mine is a Perkins 4-108.
I'll make sure I get a measuring tape next time I go to the boat to get this straight, but if it is in fact an M32, I don't understand why I don't have this nice golden leaf....

Thanks,
Matt

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[> M-31 vs M-32 -- Steve M-32 Pyxis, - Thursday - 09/13/07 - 12:38am

Strictly by looking at pictures you have a Mariner 31 with a replacement bowsprit. The only hull difference between the 31 and the 32 is the clipper bow section grafted onto the 32. Your cockpit also appears to have the 31 configuration. Technically any hull without the clipper bow is a 31 just from hull measurement though many with your hull seem to be called M-32s


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[> [> Re: M-31 vs M-32 -- Matthieu, - Thursday - 09/13/07 - 2:50pm

Thank you for your answer.
About the cockpit configuration, I see a few other M32 (or so called) in the owner's list that look similar : Kinkie Two, Maranatha, Kathryn Grace... or am I looking at the wrong thing ?
Is the clipper bow the only thing that make the length difference ?
Regards,
Matthieu


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[> [> [> M-31 vs M-32 -- Steve m-32 Pyxis, - Thursday - 09/13/07 - 3:31pm

I'm not the expert and maybe Bill will chime in with more info but here goes. The only difference in hull and rig between th 31 and the 32 is the clipper bow. If you look at a 32 hull you can see the line of the 31 bow with an appendage grafted on to give it a clipper bow. The cockpits on the boats you mentioned are what I would call the "31 cockpit". You will always see a 31 with that cockpit and you will see some 32s with it so it must have been an option. The "32 cockpit" has the teak taffrail around it and is flat throughout with no raised area aft of the steering box and the coamings are completely different. Hope this helps.


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[> [> [> [> Built in CA -- Randall, Murre, - Thursday - 09/13/07 - 3:36pm

Hey Matthieu,

I ***think*** the answer is as follows:

The only difference between the 31's and 32's that were built ***in Japan*** was the clipper bow and the cockpit arrangement.

However, sometime post 1972 (?) Far East moved to California and produced yachts there. I think the Mariners we see with factory 1) external chainplates; 2) aluminum masts; and 3) fitted, white window coverings (as opposed to a simple metal plate over the outside of the window…like mine) are all US made. I don't think any Japanese made 31/32 had these features out of the factory.

All three of the yachts you reference (and yours too) fit that description, right???

Mariner History here: http://www.marineryachts.com/fey/History.htm

RR


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[> [> [> [> [> ...and... -- Randall, - Thursday - 09/13/07 - 3:44pm

and whether you call it a 31 or 32 has zero practical significance. To Steve's point, the waterline is the same, the beam is the same, and thus the interior volume (not to mention layout) is the same in both boats. According to the specs, the 31 has exaclty 1 foot more LOA, and it's all in that last foot of the bow.

Good luck monetizing that. :)

RR


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[> [> [> [> [> [> ..oops -- Randall, - Thursday - 09/13/07 - 3:47pm

typing mistake:

this line, "the 31 has exaclty 1 foot more LOA..." should have been "the 32 has exactly 1 foot more LOA..."


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[> [> [> [> Thanks ! -- Matthieu, - Thursday - 09/13/07 - 6:10pm

Thanks a lot for all this information.


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[> [> [> [> [> M32 vs M31 -- John Bye, - Thursday - 09/13/07 - 11:28pm

My understanding is this: You could special order the M32 with the M31 bow (no clipper extension). My previous boat (Promise) was done this way. I think all the M32's have the teak taffrail and all the M31's don't (they have stanchions (sp?) and lifelines around the cockpit). Other than that, the hull and interior are the same on both. I think...... :o)


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Mariner 32 for sale and a question -- Eric Schoenberg, - Tuesday - 09/18/07 - 1:17am

I believe the wooden taffrail was on the Japan-made boats, and was abandoned on the CA made Mariners.

Eric


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[> M32's made in California -- Bill Kranidis, - Friday - 09/21/07 - 2:15pm

Matthieu,

your boat was made in California (1972 was the last year the last FEY M32's were built in Japan). Even though it was "marketed" as a M32, it's actually a M31 (as were all "M32's" built in California). That's why it doesn't have the cockpit taffrail, the thick higher toerail and the clippered bow (though, some Cali M32's were ordered with the clipper bow).

The reason the FEY M31/M32 were assigned as such, it was because of the clipper bow that gave the M32' the extra foot in length.

Hope this helps.


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[> [> Mariner 31-32?????? -- Jake, - Monday - 09/24/07 - 2:59pm

Bill, I'm a bit confused about this subject. Not that I think is much. I was told by the first owners of my boat, that mine was the first mariner 32 built in California.ours being built in feb.1977. But, I don't have the taffrail, but do have the clipper bow. I have the oringal bill of sale and owner papers from the company saying Mariner 32'with serial numbers reflecting the same.What give here? Other than taffrail and clipper bow the 31' and 32' basic measurements are the same...right? Besides all that, having a great time sailing in this wind lately!! Take care, Jake. s/v Maranatha.


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[> [> [> Same boats -- Bill Kranidis, - Monday - 09/24/07 - 3:26pm

Hi, Jake.

Yes, same boats. Yours has the clipper bow, that's why it's a legit 32. What I have noticed is that some California boats are labeled as 32's EVEN if they don't sport the clipper bow, for marketing purposes.

All FEY M32's sported the clipper bow, cockpit taffrail and thicker/higher toerails.

Great to see "Maranatha" is being used properly :-)

Man, I'm itching for some sailing :-(


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[> [> [> [> clipper bow addition to an M31? -- Leo, - Friday - 11/16/07 - 11:47pm

So,if the only difference between the m31 and m32 is the clipper bow (as far as overall length goes), it follows then that one could make a(n) m32 clipper bow for one's m31. There must be some plans for this piece somewhere.....anyone?


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[> [> [> [> [> Plans unlikely -- Randall, - Wednesday - 11/28/07 - 2:21pm

But you might check w/the Adrian on Taygeta. He replaced his "clipper" extension.

See photos here: http://www.marineryachts.com/owners/Taygeta/index.htm

RR


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[> [> [> mariner 31 bow -- matts djos, - Saturday - 12/15/07 - 10:15pm

While most 31's do not have a clipper bow, there are exceptions. While there are not too many instances, our boat, a 31 does have a clipper bow and its registration indicates that it is indeed a 31

matts


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[> [> [> [> Clipper Bow -- Gitano, - Monday - 12/17/07 - 5:53pm

Now I am confused. Isn't a 31 with a clipper bow actually a 32 with the standard combing board cockpit( i.e. without the taff rail?) Just semantics, I suppose.


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[> [> [> [> [> Clipper Bow -- Matts, - Monday - 12/31/07 - 9:53pm

Hi Gitano,

"Scandia Dream", hull 69, has a clipper bow and is registered as a 31 with the DMV in California. While 31's like 'Scandia' are rare, there are a few. For instance, check "Fairchild", hull 90, and "Destiny", hull 91, on the list of owners.

I have no idea why there was a difference; perhaps it had something to do with a special order of some sort. For instance, another 31 at our marina has an entirely different (and very Spartan) interior because her original owner placed a special order for a unique salon and forward berth, which he planned to complete himself.

matts


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Clipper Bow -- Gitano, - Thursday - 01/ 3/08 - 4:11pm

Indeed. Have a look at M32 Hull #?, Katheryn Grace, which has regular combing boards like our M31's (in lieu of the taff rail), and what appears to be a clipper bow. Its just a matter of symantics I think, and what was documented. I do believe that all 32's have the clipper bow. If a 31 has a clipper bow, then technically, she could also be a 32. Regardless, they are all the same down below, notwithstanding custom changes or upgrades.


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