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Kira the Welcomed
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Date Posted: 23:01:14 06/13/02 Thu
In reply to:
JIM
's message, "Re: Episodic Quote of the Week" on 21:29:31 06/13/02 Thu
>What ho, Empress Kira!
>
>Welcome to the Forum.
(Curtsies in response.)
>Me, I admit I'm a text-snob. One of the models I had
>for TFoHG was Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes serials in
>"The Strand", and I think of myself more as a web
>series author, rather than a producer.
Understood. There are far worse influences in the world! I think many of us serialites (well, the knowledgable ones anyway!) take a lot from those old 19th century serialized stories. Dickens and Alcott were my influences. :)
It sort of
>jarred with me, I guess, that the too-much-text
>comment popped up in a couple of the workshop
>sessions. Of course, I know that other
>author/producers will have different preferences, and
>naturally so will readers.
True. It's all context, really. I can think of some series that would probably get the exact opposite reaction. Too much flash, not enough substance.
>(The other model I had for TFoHG, ironically enough,
>was web comics. Never said I was above stealing what
>looked like a good idea.)
Hey, all great art is stolen from something else. Sorry, I mean, "influenced by" something else.
>Hmm. Really, I don't think that what media you use to
>tell the story is as important as the story itself.
Absolutely, I'm taking that as a given. I know I shouldn't, there's such a preponderance of crap. But I guess I'm thinking of that mystical hypothetical world wherein all things are equally high quality. Ideally, to me as an audience member, I'd see a wonderful story enhanced by subtle images and, perhaps, some tasteful additions of sound. If it's an either-or situation -- great story vs. great images -- then I'll definitely take the immersive, captivating story and plain text, thanks.
I
>agree the Web is great in that you can get novels,
>movies, radio plays, videos, and hypertext all
>together, and comine them in new ways. But just
>because you can mix them, of course, doesn't mean it's
>always a good idea. Sometimes pure text works best for
>what the producer wants, sometimes a comic or some
>other more visual format, sometimes a combination of
>text with pictures. What I'm driving at is that I
>don't think that text always needs images to enliven
>it.
I think there might be some misunderstanding (and it's my fault for not being clearer) about what I mean by images. I agree that text can sometimes be sufficient to tell a story. Your site, for example. Or look at PJ Magnetron. Last time I was there, there were very few images (and I believe no character representations).
But the difference between that site and Mu, for me, is that with Magnetron, the text is large, the background is an inviting green, and I think there are some graphic elements (I remember some floral or scroll-like details) separating the various chapters or sections.
Mu, OTOH, is black. With teeny tiny white Times Roman writing. With no paragraphing. Maybe I'm just too darn old, and blind, but I find that rough to read without any visual breaks that images provide. I just think something like this needs a little more ... pizzazz.
>I realise, of course, that this is taken out of
>context of the series being discussed, and that the
>workshoppers were offering suggestions appropriate to
>those series, and I might have let my luddism get the
>better of me.
LOL. That's okay, it's your luddism and you're entitled to it.
>>of getting him to make a choice that he may not
>have
>>considered before.
>
>Understood. If someone were to make the same
>suggestion to me in WSWS 3, I'd take it in that light.
Cool. :) Hopefully we'll have a good mixture of temperaments and styles and experience.
>Going back and reading that comment of mine, it was
>blockheaded. I know nothing about the soap genre; I'm
>sure some of my comments would pretty dumb on them as
>well.
No no, I didn't think of it as blockheaded at all. Frankly you're right, these people don't understand the fantasy genre. They're pretty hidebound themselves. I've never understood writers being so unaware, uncongnizant of even the basics of different styles. Maybe it's because I'm a media/entertainment/ficiton whore, but I've always made it a point to learn something, even a little, about a variety of genres. The more open you are about different forms, the more interesting your writing is, I think.
>>But that can't happen without people like
>>you. (Yipe, why do I suddenly feel like this is a
>PBS
>>membership drive?)
>
>Call now, and at the $20 level you'll get this lovely
>Episodic tote-bag!
Or an Edward Gorey mug with an image of my head on a spike! Those, for some reason, are flying off the shelves.
>This is true. And if we go in, we ought to leave the
>"s04ps suxx0r" chips on our shoulders behind.
>
ROTFLMAO. Yes. And please do believe me, I've had to lay a smackdown on some soapers bemoaning anime-fantasy and other genres. But it doesn't happen that often, and really most of us are champing at the bit for some lively and intelligent conversation.
>>Personally I was thrilled that Jim took part in the
>>"Summer Preview" article, and that he's now joining
>>the workshop group.
>
>*preen*
Hee!
>>... Joel from Deep Galaxy, for
>>example, isn't around much because his series is
>being
>>reworked. But surely even you lot can't blame the
>>Eppy for that! :)
>
>It's all part of the vast right-wing conspiracy,
>actually.
That's why my server went down the other day. They Are Everywhere.
>Anyway, let us not drift from the topic at hand, or of
>the Forum itself.
>Kira still needs to tell me I suck.
>
>JIM
Oh absolutely! You totally just plain suck. I've seen series suck before, but TFoHG and Jim are the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.
Seriously, Jim ... thank you very much for your response. I'm really sorry for causing any unpleasantness and I promise I will do a better job of making my intent and tone clear.
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