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JIM
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Date Posted: 21:29:31 06/13/02 Thu
In reply to:
Kira the Evil Eppy Empress
's message, "Re: Episodic Quote of the Week" on 15:05:09 06/13/02 Thu
What ho, Empress Kira!
Welcome to the Forum.
>Aw, kvetch, kvetch, kvetch, can'tcha do anything else?
Yeah, but that involves real work.
>I'm not sure how we could simultaneously be such
>anti-text snobs and backwards
>anti-video/graphics neo-luddites. Quite a talent!
:) As TA (aka JR, author of Grayhound) says, you can't please all of the people any of the time.
Me, I admit I'm a text-snob. One of the models I had for TFoHG was Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes serials in "The Strand", and I think of myself more as a web series author, rather than a producer. It sort of jarred with me, I guess, that the too-much-text comment popped up in a couple of the workshop sessions. Of course, I know that other author/producers will have different preferences, and naturally so will readers.
(The other model I had for TFoHG, ironically enough, was web comics. Never said I was above stealing what looked like a good idea.)
>To me, the Web is a medium that's driven by both text
>and images (and sounds, to a lesser extent). IMHO,
>variety is key to keeping the audience's interest.
>Relying solely on text or on graphics to tell
>one's story isn't always the best thing. Honestly,
>when I come across either a text-only site or a fully
>animated series ... I tend to long for a less
>all-or-nothing solution.
Hmm. Really, I don't think that what media you use to tell the story is as important as the story itself. I agree the Web is great in that you can get novels, movies, radio plays, videos, and hypertext all together, and comine them in new ways. But just because you can mix them, of course, doesn't mean it's always a good idea. Sometimes pure text works best for what the producer wants, sometimes a comic or some other more visual format, sometimes a combination of text with pictures. What I'm driving at is that I don't think that text always needs images to enliven it.
I realise, of course, that this is taken out of context of the series being discussed, and that the workshoppers were offering suggestions appropriate to those series, and I might have let my luddism get the better of me.
>Anyway, the whole purpose of the workshop is to get
>people to think outside of the box, to process new
>ideas. Suggesting that Dave (Mu's producer) add
>images to enhance his episode pages is simply one way
>of getting him to make a choice that he may not have
>considered before.
Understood. If someone were to make the same suggestion to me in WSWS 3, I'd take it in that light.
>Finally ... so bloomin' what if they're not
>that knowledgable of the fantasy genre? Everyone has
>to get their first taste somewhere. They're coming to
>the genre as newcomers, as many of Mu's audience is as
>well. (Yes, I'm sure most of Mu's visitors come to
>it through anime-related links, but I'm also sure
>there are several who've discovered the site in other
>ways.) Our workshop participants represent such
>newcomers. Why not? Shouldn't they be represented?
Going back and reading that comment of mine, it was blockheaded. I know nothing about the soap genre; I'm sure some of my comments would pretty dumb on them as well.
>But that can't happen without people like
>you. (Yipe, why do I suddenly feel like this is a PBS
>membership drive?)
Call now, and at the $20 level you'll get this lovely Episodic tote-bag!
>But instead you stay away from the Eppy kvetching that
>we're too soapy. Exactly how are we supposed to get
>non-soapy, when producers/readers such as
>yourselves don't participate in the forum or respond
>to info requests?
>
>I mean, cripes, I can extend the invitation and throw
>my welcoming arms out from now till doomsday, but
>until some of you get off your high horses and
>unclench the ol' buttocks enough to join in, nothing's
>going to change, is it?
This is true. And if we go in, we ought to leave the "s04ps suxx0r" chips on our shoulders behind.
>Personally I was thrilled that Jim took part in the
>"Summer Preview" article, and that he's now joining
>the workshop group.
*preen*
>... Joel from Deep Galaxy, for
>example, isn't around much because his series is being
>reworked. But surely even you lot can't blame the
>Eppy for that! :)
It's all part of the vast right-wing conspiracy, actually.
>So stop yer whining and start taking part in the
>Episodic, which I'm really, really certain is becoming
>more and more reflective of the many interesting
>genres and subgenres out there. If you guys don't want
>to take part, that's your choice, not because
>I'm unwelcoming or the Eppy's too soap-based.
>
>But it would be a shame if you made that decision,
>because the Episodic would truly be enriched by your
>participation. And you would be, too.
I agree with you.
Anyway, let us not drift from the topic at hand, or of the Forum itself.
Kira still needs to tell me I suck.
JIM
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