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Subject: Critic tries to get SCJ Souter's home siezed!


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Date Posted: 13:02:05 06/30/05 Thu
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FROM AP WIRE:

"Critic tries to get Souter's home seized
Wants town to turn it into 'Lost Liberty Hotel'

Thursday, June 30, 2005; Posted: 5:01 a.m. EDT (09:01 GMT)


A California man has appealed to Weare, New Hampshire officials to seize (Suprem Court Justice){David} Souter's farmhouse.
WEARE, New Hampshire (AP) -- A critic of the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling that governments may seize private property for economic development is suggesting the process be used to replace Justice David Souter's New Hampshire home with a hotel.

"The justification for such an eminent domain action is that our hotel will better serve the public interest as it will bring in economic development and higher tax revenue to Weare," Logan Darrow Clements wrote in a fax to town officials in Weare Tuesday.

Souter, a longtime Weare resident, joined in last week's 5-4 court decision that said governments may seize private property for private development, if doing so would benefit a community. (Full story)

Clements is CEO of Los Angeles-based Freestar Media, which fights "abusive" government. "This is not a prank," he said in a news release on the Freestar Media web site.

Clements did not immediately respond to an e-mail seeking additional comment Wednesday. A telephone call was answered with a recording saying his voice mailbox was full.

Police cars were parked at the edge of Souter's property Tuesday in response to the letter. "It was a precaution, just being protective," said police Lt. Mark Bodanza. Souter was assaulted while jogging in Washington in May 2004.

Clements' letter was given to the board of selectmen. If the five-member board were to endorse the hotel project, zoning laws would have to be changed and the hotel would have to get approval from the planning board.

"At this point, the Board of Selectmen are taking no action," chairwoman Laura Buono said Wednesday in an e-mail.

"Am I taking this seriously? But of course," said Charles Meany, Weare's code enforcement officer. "If it is their right to pursue this type of end, then by all means let the process begin."

Meany did not immediately respond to a call seeking details on the process.

There was no immediate response to a call seeking comment from Souter.

Souter's two-story colonial farmhouse is assessed at just over $100,000 and brought in $2,895 in property taxes last year.

The Supreme Court case involved the city of New London, Connecticut, which wants to seize property to make way for a hotel and convention center.

The majority opinion said New London could pursue private development under the Fifth Amendment, which allows governments to take private property if the land is for public use. It said the project the city has in mind promises to produce jobs and revenue."
Subject: The Supreme Court made the stealing of your home legal, a sad day for America


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This was written by Charles Lane WP
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Date Posted: 12:07:06 06/30/05 Thu
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"Justices Affirm Property Seizures
5-4 Ruling Backs Forced Sales for Private Development"


What a sad day it is for the States United of America.
The liberal pro baby killing pro murder anti ten commandments Supreme Court has now made it legal for your town to steal your house right from you

and sell your land to a developer for a new Super Wal Mart or a new baseball field or a bunch of yuppie upscale condos .

Read Charles Lane's story below:
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"Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, June 24, 2005; Page A01

The Supreme Court ruled yesterday that local governments may force property owners to sell out and make way for private economic development when officials decide it would benefit the public, even if the property is not blighted and the new project's success is not guaranteed.

The 5 to 4 ruling provided the strong affirmation that state and local governments had sought for their increasing use of eminent domain for urban revitalization, especially in the Northeast, where many city centers have decayed and the suburban land supply is dwindling.



The Supreme Court's decision removed a possible obstacle to the District's plans to build a baseball stadium along the Anacostia River waterfront. Property owners in that area had hoped the ruling would help them resist the city's exercise of eminent domain, but an attorney for several of them said the decision "is going to have a major impact." (By Dudley M. Brooks -- The Washington Post)

In Today's Post
Court Ruling on Land Pleases D.C. Officials
District leaders said a Supreme Court ruling yesterday that gives municipalities broad powers to seize private property will provide the city leverage in its goal to acquire land for two controversial projects, including a new baseball stadium.


Background
Washington Post staff writer Charles Lane wrote about the case's oral arguments in February.



Transcript


Supreme Court
Time Magazine to Cooperate in Plame Case Probe
Time Magazine to Hand Over Reporter Notes
Time Inc says will hand over papers in Plame case
Proposal Made to Seize Souter's Property


Opponents, including property-rights activists and advocates for elderly and low-income urban residents, argued that forcibly shifting land from one private owner to another, even with fair compensation, violates the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, which prohibits the taking of property by government except for "public use."

But Justice John Paul Stevens, writing for the majority, cited cases in which the court has interpreted "public use" to include not only such traditional projects as bridges or highways but also slum clearance and land redistribution. He concluded that a "public purpose" such as creating jobs in a depressed city can also satisfy the Fifth Amendment.

The court should not "second-guess" local governments, Stevens added, noting that "[p]romoting economic development is a traditional and long accepted function of government."

Stevens's opinion provoked a strongly worded dissent from Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who wrote that the ruling favors the most powerful and influential in society and leaves small property owners little recourse. Now, she wrote, the "specter of condemnation hangs over all property. Nothing is to prevent the State from replacing any Motel 6 with a Ritz-Carlton, any home with a shopping mall, or any farm with a factory."

D.C. Mayor Anthony A. Williams, who serves as president of the National League of Cities, issued a statement praising the court for upholding "one of the most powerful tools city officials have to rejuvenate their neighborhoods."

In addition to its national repercussions, the court's decision removed a possible obstacle to the District's plans to build a baseball stadium along the Anacostia River waterfront and to redevelop the Skyland Shopping Center in Southeast -- a project Williams said could generate 300 jobs and $3.3 million in tax revenue.

A number of property owners in those areas had hoped the court ruling would help them resist the city's exercise of eminent domain. But David A. Fuss, an attorney for several of them, acknowledged that the court's ruling "is going to have a major impact."

The redevelopment program at issue in yesterday's case -- the plan of the Connecticut city of New London to turn 90 acres of waterfront land into office buildings, upscale housing, a marina and other facilities near a $300 million research center being built by pharmaceuticals giant Pfizer -- was also expected to generate hundreds of jobs and, city officials say, $680,000 in property tax revenue.

New London, with a population of about 24,000, is reeling from the 1996 closing of the Naval Undersea Warfare Center, which had employed more than 1,500 people.

But owners of 15 homes on 1.54 acres of the proposed site had refused to go. One of them, Susette Kelo, had extensively remodeled her home and wanted to stay for its view of the water. Another, Wilhelmina Dery, was born in her house in 1918 and has lived there her entire life.


The Connecticut Supreme Court upheld the city's plan, so the homeowners, represented by lawyers from the libertarian Institute for Justice, appealed the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

According to the institute, the New London plan, which the City Council approved in 2000, is typical of "eminent domain abuse," which has spawned more than 10,000 threatened or filed condemnations involving a transfer of property from one private party to another in 41 states between 1998 and 2002.



The Supreme Court's decision removed a possible obstacle to the District's plans to build a baseball stadium along the Anacostia River waterfront. Property owners in that area had hoped the ruling would help them resist the city's exercise of eminent domain, but an attorney for several of them said the decision "is going to have a major impact." (By Dudley M. Brooks -- The Washington Post)

In Today's Post
Court Ruling on Land Pleases D.C. Officials
District leaders said a Supreme Court ruling yesterday that gives municipalities broad powers to seize private property will provide the city leverage in its goal to acquire land for two controversial projects, including a new baseball stadium.




Background
Washington Post staff writer Charles Lane wrote about the case's oral arguments in February.

Defining Limits of Eminent Domain




Scott Bullock, a lawyer for the institute, said that the only recourse for property owners facing condemnation under eminent domain would be to sue in state court based on the property rights provisions of each state's constitution.

New London City Manager Richard M. Brown said he was "very pleased" by the court's decision. He said the city hopes to restart its redevelopment plan, which has lost money so far, partly because of the litigation.

In the disputed neighborhood, known as Fort Trumbull, most residents sold out and their homes were demolished. The site is now a flat expanse of dusty, rock-strewn soil dotted by the few remaining houses. Signs advertising the development site are withered and torn; builders who once considered projects have moved on, deterred by the controversy.

Stevens was joined in the majority by Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.

Kennedy's vote was something of a surprise because he had expressed strong sympathy for property-rights claims in past cases. But in a brief concurring opinion he explained that the New London plan showed no sign of improper favoritism toward any one private developer.

O'Connor was joined in her dissent by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. They wrote that the majority had tilted in favor of those with "disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms."

And in a separate dissent, Thomas sounded a rare note of agreement with liberal groups such as the NAACP, which had sided with the property owners in the case.

He protested that urban renewal has historically resulted in displacement of minorities, the elderly and the poor.

"Regrettably, the predictable consequence of the Court's decision will be to exacerbate these effects," he wrote.

The case is Kelo v. City of New London , No. 04-108.

Staff writer Kirstin Downey contributed to this report."
Subject: Mike Warnke: Fraud or Restored


Author:
Dr. Michael E. Schmidt
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Date Posted: 09:06:19 06/21/05 Tue
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14 years after his fall from America's # 1 Christian Comedian, the Rev. Mike Warnke is still on the road, still preaching, still ministering, and still trying to get by.

I believe that Mike Warnke has done more to biblically restore himself to full time Christian service than just about any other minister ever has who has fallen. Christians are often big hypocrites because we have asked Jesus to forgive us of our sins and to forget them, but sadly we refuse to forgive and forget the sins of our fallen Christian ministers. We must allow our fallen to be restored if they follow the proper biblical guidelines.Mike Warnke has done this ,he has well documented it, and now he must be restored.

The influence of Mike Warnke's current ministry is much smaller than his once multi million dollar empire that formerly packed out big time Christian events and large arenas. Today Mike draws in a much smaller crowd, often in the small hundreds instead of the thousands , more like the size of a Trumpet of the Lord event than one from "America's # 1 Christian Comedian".

The good news is that Mike Warnke has remained FAITHFUL , and that his reputation is improving as he is being restored as a Christian minister, who after so many years, has stayed the course and not given up on his calling, even after going thru some very tough times.

After all, being a Christian minister is all about reaching people for Jesus Christ, reaching out to "the one", and not about making a lot of money or being popular.

The good news is that today Mike Warnke is available, and that your church, even if it is a small one, now can afford a chance to schedule one of the funniest Christian comedians in America, who also happens to be very polished as a preacher.

It is tough being a "Christian Comedian"

How would I know you might ask?

Well, from time to time I attrempt to dive into Christian Comedy. I would describe the Christian Comedy that I do as the most misunderstood and often perhaps the most hated thing about the Trumpet of the Lord. The bottom line is that so many people just do not get the bit(s). A bit is just a bit. But too many take the bit for real and associate the one doing the bit with the character in the bit. Perhaps this was what once brought down Mike Warnke.

People just did not get his bit.

But it is not 1991 anymore.

I believe that it is time to forgive and to learn to better understand Mike Warnke, and his fantastic original bits in general.

The key to making a bit work is that you must never, ever spill the bit. Can you imagine a ventriliquist that does not pretend that his "little friend" is real? This is why Phil Hendrie is not as sucsessful as he could be, because he spills his bit too often. People often get mad at me and or at the Trumpet of the Lord because we refuse to spill a bit. I think that it is just plain wrong for a comic to spill a bit, it is imho as bad as if a magician spills a magic trick in public, unethical behavior if you ask me.

So pray about inviting Mike Warnke to preach and to do a few of his bits at your church.

You can learn about Mike Warnke at:

http://www.mikewarnke.com

Is Mike Warnke perfect?

No.

He is, like the rest of us, a sinner saved by grace , someone who is trying his best to serve God faithfully the best that he knows how.

It is time that we stop casting stones at Mike Warnke and give him another chance.

God bless you,

Dr. Michael E. Schmidt
trumpetofthelord@yahoo.com
http://www.trumpetofthelord@yahoo.com
http://www.floridabiblecollege.org
Subject: United Methodist Church Reinstates a Lesbian "Minister", How Sad


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Foster Klug
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Date Posted: 13:50:18 05/03/05 Tue
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By FOSTER KLUG

"(AP) Defrocked associate pastor Irene Elizabeth Stroud answers a question after hearing the verdict of...
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LINTHICUM, Md. (AP) - The United Methodist Church reversed itself Friday, deciding to reinstate a lesbian minister who was defrocked after revealing her relationship with another woman.

A church panel voted 8 to 1 to set aside an earlier decision to defrock Irene "Beth" Stroud for violating the church's ban on openly gay clergy.

The Philadelphia minister said she was relieved by the ruling and hopes the church will become more inclusive to people regardless of sexual orientation.

After Stroud disclosed the relationship to her congregation two years ago, the church defrocked her, meaning that she could no longer serve communion or baptize anyone. She kept the title of associate minister and worked in a lay capacity at the First United Methodist Church of Germantown in Philadelphia.

"The church is not free to disregard the standards of justice and inclusiveness that are preached by Jesus Christ ... and are a part of church law," Stroud said after church authorities read their decision at a hotel.

"The ruling gives us hope that the United Methodist Church has the resources to do justice," she said.
Subject: Trumpet of the Lord Statement of Faith


Author:
TTOTLEM
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Date Posted: 07:25:29 04/30/05 Sat
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1. The Bible in its original documents is the inspired Word of God, the written record of His supernatural revelation of Himself to man, absolute in its authority, complete in its revelation, final in its content, and without error in its statements. II Tim. 3:16; John 10:35; Ps. 89:34; Heb 6:18; II Peter 3:16.

2. There is one God, eternally existent, creator of the heaven and earth. He is manifested in three persons ‑ Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Isa. 7:14; Isa. 9:6; John 14:9; I Tim 3:16; I John 5:7; Gen. 1:2.

3. The Lord Jesus Christ is fully God who took on flesh and dwelt on earth. He was sinless, perfect and gave Himself as a substitutionary sacrifice by shedding His blood and dying on the Cross; He then came back from the dead. This was to pay for all sins (past, present, and future) and His eternal life is given to all who believe. II Cor. 5:21; Heb. 2:9; Tit. 2:14; Heb.10:10‑14; Heb.9:12‑28; Acts 13:38‑.1.1; I Peter 2:24; I John 3:5.

4. God is absolutely sovereign, and in His sovereignty, gave man a free will to accept or reject the salvation that He has provided. It is God's will that all would be saved and that none should perish. God foreknows, but does not predetermine any man to be condemned. God permits man's destiny to depend upon man's choice. I Tim. 2:4; II Thess.2:13; I Pet. 1:2; II Pet.3:9; John 6:64‑65; Acts 10:34; I Cor 1:21; Eph.1:5‑14; Rom.8:29‑30; Rom.9:30‑32.

5. Each member of the human race is fallen, sinful, and lost, and regeneration by the Holy Spirit is absolutely essential for the salvation of man. The moment a person receives Christ as his Savior, immediately, the Holy Spirit indwells him and he is sealed until the day of redemption. Rom.2:23; John 3:7; I Cor. 6:19; Eph.1:13‑14, 4:30; Luke 24:49; Titus 3:5.

6. Man is saved by undeserved mercy through faith, and nothing of man enters into his salvation; it is a free gift. Man's efforts, regardless of how good or well intended, before or after salvation, have nothing to do with it. Salvation is by the finished work of Christ and nothing can be added to it. Eph.2:8‑9; Gal.2:16; Rom. 11:6; Co1.2:13; Titus 3:5; Rom­3:22.

7. The Church began with the descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, and is composed of all true believers. By the Holy Spirit we are all baptized into the one body of Christ. Water baptism is not essential for salvation, but is a testimony to the world. Acts 1:8; I Cor. 6:19, 20; Acts 2:1‑4; I Cor. 12:13; Eph. 4:5; Acts 10:47.

8. Every true child of God possesses eternal life and is therefore safe and secure for all eternity, being justified by faith, sanctified by God, and sealed by the Holy Spirit: he cannot lose his salvation. However, a Christian can through sin, lose his fellowship, joy, power, testimony, and reward, and incur the Father's chastisement. Relationship is eternal, being established by the new birth; fellowship, however, is dependent upon obedience. I Cor.3:11‑17; Heb.12:5‑11; I Cor.11:30‑32.

9. a. A true child of God has two births: one of the flesh. the other of the Spirit, giving man a flesh nature and a Spirit nature. The flesh nature is neither good nor righteous. The Spiritual Man does not commit any sin. This results in warfare between the Spirit and the flesh, which continues until physical death, or the return of our Lord. The flesh nature of the man does not change in any way with the new birth, but can be controlled and kept subdued by the new man. John 3:3‑7; Rom.7:15‑25; Rom.8:8; Gal.5:17; I John 3:9; I Pet. 1:23; I John 5:18; I John 1:8.

9.b. I John 1:9 is not a verse for salvation, but a precious promise to Christians for cleansing and forgiveness. 1 John 1:9 does not guarantee restoration of fellowship or restitution from physical damage caused by sin. It is heresy to teach that confession of sin produces spiritual fruit. Confession of sin places the Christian in a position where he can have fellowship.

1 John 1:6. 7 teaches that fellowship is the result of the Christian's walk, and not by confession of sin.

Spirituality, of which fellowship is pact,‑comes from the Christian's obedience to God. II Pet. 1:5‑8; Col. l:10; John 15:8; I John 1:6,7; Gal. 5:22.

10. There will be a resurrection of the saved and of the lost; of the saved unto eternal life, and of the lost unto eternal conscious punishment. These two resurrections are separated by at least 1,000 years. I Thess.4:13‑18; Daniel 12:2; Rev‑20:5‑15; Matt. 25:41.

11. We believe in the personal, pre‑tribulational and pre‑millennial return of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I Thess. 5:9‑11; I Thess. 1:10; II Thess. 2:1‑8; Rev. 3:10; Luke 21:36: Titus 2:13; Isa. 26:17‑21; Isa. 27:1; Rev. 4:4.

12. Satan is a person, the author of sin, and he and his angels shall be eternally punished. Ezek. 28:15,17; Isa. 14:12‑15; Rev. 20:10; Matt. 25:41

13. God can heal, but physical healing is not in the atonement. God heals miraculously today when it is His perfect will to do so. Healing cannot be claimed through the guarantee of the atonement. At times it is God's will for sickness not to be removed. II Cor.12:8‑10; James 5:14‑16

14. The gift of tongues (languages) was a manifestation of the Holy Spirit's power, solely for the demonstration of God's wisdom, purpose and power in the establishment of the church. Acts 2:6; I Cor. 14:22

15. The true child of God is not under the Law but under grace; he is saved by grace and disciplined by grace. Rom. 6:14‑15; Rom. 11:6; II Cor. 3:17.

16. Repentance is necessary for salvation.

The Greek work for "repent" is metanoeo, which. translated into English is: "to change one's mind." It does not mean "to turn from sin." That would add works to salvation.

Repentance for salvation means a change of mind from men's ideas of salvation and religion, to an acceptance of God's only way of salvation.

This results in a completely new creation, not a reformation of the old. The old nature remains as evil as ever after salvation and has not been reformed. The old nature can now be controlled by the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit.

God guarantees salvation. This is His gift to us.

God guarantees reward and fruit to the obedient son.

God guarantees chastening and loss of rewards to the disobedient son.

God does not cast out disobedient children, but in some cases, does take them home.

He does not permit His children to live as they please without His discipline and guidance.

Many teach repentance for salvation incorrectly by including some form of human effort or righteousness, such as willingness to turn from sin, or turning from sin. This is heresy and has confused many people, as it adds works to salvation and causes many to not understand God's great gift. It is probation, not salvation. It is completely unscriptural. It is "Galatianism" and a counterfeit of the gospel.

It is a tragedy that many Christians live shallow Christian lives. Florida Bible College is dedicated to the task of training Christian men and women in the importance of total dedication and making Jesus the Lord of their lives ‑ not to be saved ‑ but because they are saved.

"Shallow Christianity" cannot be cured by adding works to salvation.

Salvation is not the result of what we do, but is by receiving what God has done for us. Acts 13:38,39; Acts 20:20; Gal. 1:8.9; Gal. 2:4; Gal. 2:21; Gal. 3:1‑3; Gal. 5:1‑4; Eph. 2:8‑10; II Cor. 5:21; John 3:16‑18: Phil. 3:9; Titus 3:5‑8; II Cor. 11:13‑15

It is every Christians privilege and duty to make clear God's plan of salvation wherever and in whatever vocation he or she may be. Mark 16:15: 1 Thess 2:1.

The general plan of salvation in God's Word - in this brief outline - is believed and practiced by Florida Bible College as follows:

A. Establish the fact that all men are sinners. Rom. 3: 10; Rom. 3:23: Isa. 64:6; Jer. 17 :9; James 2:10.

B. Establish the fact that the penalty of sin is death. Rom. 6:23; Ezek. 18:20.

C. Establish the fact that you must be perfect to enter heaven. Rev. 21:27.

D. Establish the fact that man can do nothing of himself to obtain this perfection. Eph. 2:8,9; Gal. 2:16; Rom. 4:5.

E. Show how God provided a sin‑bearer and imputes to man His righteousness. II Cor. 5:21; Phil. 3:9; Isa. 53:6; I Pet. 3:18.

F. Establish the fact that man needs only belief in the Lord Jesus Christ as his personal Savior for salvation. John 3:16; Rom. 10:9; John 1:12; Acts 16:31.

G. Establish the fact that man can be certain of his salvation now, and that his salvation cannot be lost because eternal life is eternal. John 6:37‑39; John 10:28; I Pet. 1:5; Heb. 10:10‑14; I John 5:13.


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THE TRUTHS WE EMBRACE

We Believe - that the Bible is the verbally inspired Word of' God and without mistakes as originally written. It is the complete revelation of His will for salvation, and the only unfailing rule of faith and practice for the Christian life.

We Believe - in one God, Creator of all things, eternally existing in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and that these three are co-eternal and of equal dignity and power.

We Believe - in the deity of Jesus Christ; His miraculous conception by the Holy Spirit; His virgin birth; His sinless life; His substitutionary death on a cross; His bodily resurrection; His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and His personal imminent return.

We Believe - that man was created by and for God; that by man's disobeying God, every person incurred spiritual death, which is separation from God, and physical death as a consequence; and that all people are sinners by nature and practice.

We Believe - the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins and that all who believe in Him are declared righteous because of His sacrificial death and are, therefore, in right relationship with God.

We Believe - in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit indwelling all believers and thus enabling and empowering the life and ministry of the believer.

We Believe - in the bodily resurrection of everyone who has lived, the everlasting blessedness of those in right relationship with God, and the everlasting punishment of those who have rejected God's forgiveness in His Son.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast."

Ephesians 2:8-9
Subject: Media Uplifts Dead Good Pope, Reagan, and GW Bush!!


Author:
Jeffersonne
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Date Posted: 12:39:46 04/03/05 Sun
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Check it out. When you watch MSNBC and Fox, notice that, at least once every two minutes or so, the names of Bush and Reagan are brought up in the same breaths as the Good Pope.
It is like, the these media are using the opportunity
of the death of this Great Man, the Pope, to push the memory of Ronald Reagan, and uplift GW Bush.
The tyranny of the media marches on. What do you think?
I just saw it again. It is a sin.
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Subject: HARRY POTTER AND OTHER FICTIONS


Author:
Eloy Hernandez Jr
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Date Posted: 08:13:40 03/26/05 Sat
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Dear Mike, I've been reading the old testiment. I was in numbers when I came across deuteronomy 18:10-12. Now, I love the harry potter books and movies, But while these are fictiious characters, is it still okay, as a born again christian, to read and view these books and movies. I just want your opionion so I can decide for myself, and ask to pray for Gods guidance since I don't want to make my brother fall. p.s. did I mention I love the series.
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Subject: United Church of Christ pro LESBIAN couple t.v. ad


Author:
Rev. Robert Towns, Th.D.
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Date Posted: 14:49:32 03/08/05 Tue
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Have you seen the latest United Church of Christ t.v. ad that shows a lesbial couple with their arms around each other on the steps of their church with the "We accept you just as you are theme"?
The Bible calls lesbianism a sin. Sinful lesbian sexual acts are an abomonation to God. Yes, we are to love the lesbian , but to REJECT their sin of lesbianism.
The United Church of Christ ad suggests that the church views that it is o.k. to be lesbian at their church.
They have gone too far.
"Do not act like the world in order to reach the world"-Dr. Michael E. Schmidt

Read B.A. Robinsons insightful comments below.

Robert
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UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST AND HOMOSEXUALITY

"The United Church of Christ was created in 1957 with the merger of the Congregational Christian Churches and the Evangelical and Reformed Church. They currently have about 1.5 million members. 1

Congregationalists had an impressive history of opposition to discrimination based on race, gender and sexual orientation. They were the first American mainline/liberal Christian church:

to make the first public declaration against slavery (1700)
ordain a black person (Lemuel Haynes, 1785),
ordain a woman (Antoinette Brown, 1853),
ordain the first openly gay man (William Johnson, 1972), and
ordain the first openly lesbian woman (Anne Holmes, 1977).

In 1973, The United Church Coalition for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Concerns was formed. 7 In 1998-NOV, Rev. Paul H. Sherry, President of the UCC, commented that the coalition "has been a prophetic presence in our church, clarifying concerns, challenging stereotypes, providing leaders for every setting of the church's life, gently and persistently changing hearts and minds, providing a refuge for those who have suffered wounds of prejudice and exclusion in church and society..." 5

In 1975, their General Synod passed a resolution in support of full civil liberties and equal protection under the law to persons of all "Affectional or Sexual Preferences."

In 1977, the Church passed a resolution which "deplored the use of scripture to generate hatred, and the violation of civil rights of gay and bisexual persons and called upon individual members, local churches .... to continue to work for the enactment of civil rights legislation at the federal, state, and local levels of government."

Ordination of active homosexuals was formally accepted by the denomination in 1980. Its clergy are also free to bless same-sex unions. Local associations have the authority to decide on their own ordination policies. Some associations, like Western North Carolina have gone on record as refusing to consider any homosexual candidate for the ministry.

Some congregations follow the homosexual-positive "Open and Affirming" program. In 1985, the General Synod formally urged local churches to welcome gay and lesbian members and advocate in their behalf against discrimination and persecution.



General Synod Resolutions/Pronouncements from 1991 to now:
The General Synod meets biannually, typically in mid-JULY.

1991: The Synod called on the Virginia state legislature to repeal its sodomy laws and to nullify other laws directed against sexual minorities.
1993: The synod called on the church to take greater leadership to end discrimination against gays and lesbians.
1997: The Synod of the United Church of Christ considered a "fidelity and chastity" resolution. This was similar to those in many other Christian denominations. It would requiring members to be monogamous if married, and sexually inactive otherwise. It's main intent was to deny the legitimacy of gay and lesbian committed relationships, and of heterosexuals living together without being married. The Synod took "no action" on the resolution. A second resolution was proposed and passed. Termed an "fidelity and integrity" resolution, it reaffirms "that the standard for sexual and relational behavior for members of the United Church of Christ is fidelity and integrity in marriage and in other covenanted relationships, or singleness, and in all relationships of life." When compared to the defeated fidelity and chastity proposal, it widens the standard to include both sexual and non-sexual aspects of all relationships: married couples, living together couples, singles, gay, lesbian and heterosexual. It presumably also covers professional, work, friendship, social, church, and other non-sexual relationships.
1999: At GS22, The Connecticut Conference of the United Church of Christ proposed a resolution "Justice and Civil Rights for Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual Persons." which asked the delegates to "reaffirm the historic commitment to justice and civil rights for all persons including lesbian, gay and bisexual people." They asked that the UCC work to defeat DOMA-type legislation at the state level, and to support the Federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA). Finally, they asked that their congregations provide "opportunities for open, honest and respectful discussion within their Christian Education and youth programs of issues pertaining to human sexuality, utilizing curricula such as 'Created In God's Image...' " The UCC Executive Council recommended that the resolution be referred directly to the appropriate agencies for implementation.
2001: Three congregations in Pennsylvania have introduced a resolution that would have the General Synod disavow a 1999 "Religious Declaration on Sexual Morality , Justice and Healing" which was published by SIECUS -- the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the U.S. It was signed at the time by more than 2,000 Christian and Jewish leaders including UCC General Minister and President John H. Thomas. According to the UCC web site, the Pennsylvania resolution "asserts that President Thomas signed the declaration 'on behalf of the United Church of Christ.' The SIECUS website, however, says that the names of denominations or organizations are used 'for identification purposes only.' " The resolution asks that the General Synod disavow the declaration's support for the ordination of homosexuals and the blessing of same-sex committed unions.


1998: Minister Comments on Homosexual Newspaper Ads
In 1998-JUL, the Christian Coalition and some other conservative Christian groups took out full-page advertisements in leading American newspaper. The ads promoted the idea that reparative therapy is successful in converting homosexuals into heterosexuals. William R. Johnson is a UCC minister, an executive member of the United Church Board for Homeland Ministries, and a human sexuality expert. He commented that these ads promote "false hope...Sexual orientation cannot be changed...I am saddened that the old chestnut of 'reparative therapy' for homosexuals has again reared its ugly head." Rev. Johnson pointed out that the American Medical Association and the American Psychological Association have repudiated "reparative therapy" claims.



1998-NOV: A pastoral letter
The Rev. Paul H. Sherry, president of the UCC, wrote a pastoral letter titled: "Now, No Condemnation: The Rights of Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Persons in Society and their Membership and Ministry in the Church." He reviewed the difficult path taken by the UCC to become an inclusive church in which "all are welcomed, where the gifts of all are recognized and received, and where the rights of all are defended and promoted. When so many in our society would reject and exclude, it is critical that we of the United Church of Christ bear witness to the conviction that it is possible to be deeply faithful to the Bible, profoundly respectful of the historic faith of the church and of its sacraments, and at the same time support the full inclusion and participation of all God's children in the membership and ministry of the church. Likewise, there can be no compromise that all persons in this society must enjoy equal protection under the law."

He describes some of the "marvelous surprises" that have evolved from this policy of inclusiveness, with the following powerfull words:

"the growth and vitality of many local churches that have declared themselves open to and affirming of the gifts of gay, lesbian, and bisexual persons;"
"the gracious perseverance of The United Church Coalition for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Concerns..."
"the gratitude and encouragement of Christians in other churches who have found in our church's journey to new understandings a sign of hope amid discouragement;"
"the growing self-esteem of lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth in our church who are able to worship in congregations that respect their full humanity, as well as the heterosexual youth in our churches who have found themselves called to confront the anti-gay prejudice so prevalent in their schools;"
"the renewal that springs forth as we discover, again, that we are not trapped by the past but are part of a living tradition that is 'reformed, yet always reforming,' a people whose only comfort in life and in death is that they belong to Christ." 5



2000-JUN: Scholarship fund for gay and lesbian seminarians:
The United Church of Christ announced during the week of 2000-JUN-12 the creation of a scholarship fund for "self-affirmed gay, lesbian, bisexual,
and transgender" seminary students. It will be called "The William R. Johnson Scholarship Fund," named after first openly gay person to be ordained by the UCC. This is believed to be the only such fund by any American denomination. UCC president, John H. Thomas, said: "This fund is a powerful reminder that the response to God's call to ministry should not be limited by economics or sexual orientation." They also urged other denominations to accept gays and lesbians more widely. Initial funding for the fund will be $500,000.

Biblical Witness Fellowship, a conservative, renewal group in the UCC, reacted negatively. Their executive director, David Runnion-Bareford, said: "We are saddened by the announcement that historic mission funds donated to further the gospel of Jesus Christ, and entrusted in our generation into the care of agencies related to the United Church of Christ, will be perversely spent...The diversion of funds committed in holy purpose for the unholy pursuit of a sexual political agenda is a grave insult and injustice to the godly history of our churches. Covenant has been broken with those who created these funds to promote the mission mandate of Jesus Christ." 6



References:
The UCC home page is at: http://www.ucc.org
A press release on the 1997 "fidelity and integrity" resolution is at: http://www.ucc.org/synod/gs07_2.htm
A UCC Synod Forum discusses this resolution and other issues at: http://www.ucc.org/synod/gsforum.htm
A list of General Synod resolutions and pronouncements on various human sexuality topics from 1971 to the present time is at: http://www.uua.org/owl/uccres.html
The Rev. P.H. Sherry, "Now, No Condemnation," at: http://www.ucc.org/headline/pastoral.htm
ReligionToday news summary from Crosswalk.com, 2000-JUN-21
The UCC Coalition for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Concerns has a web site at: http://www.ucccoalition.org "
- B.A.Robinson
Subject: Foreknowledge, Predestination, and Election


Author:
Dr. Mark G. Cambron
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Foreknowledge, Predestination, and Election
Written by Dr. Mark G. Cambron
There are so many theories today concerning foreknowledge, predestination and election, until the mind of the normal and average Christian is so mixed up that he doesn't know what to believe. If we do not get these three doctrines straight, our whole Christian life will be warped, and soul winning will become a lost grace. Let us turn first to the foreknowledge of God.
I. THE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF GOD
"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Romans 8:29)
Foreknowledge means to have knowledge of things to be. Foreknowledge is an attribute of God, while Predestination and Election are acts of God. Only God knows the future. He wouldn't be God if He didn't, but the fact that He knows who is going to be saved, and who isn't going to be saved, does NOT determine who is going to be saved and who is going to be lost. Someone may ask, "If God does know who is and who isn't going to be saved, how then, can the sinner get out of it?"
Foreknowledge, in Scripture, never determines what is to be-- foreknowledge is only the knowledge of things to be beforehand. It is the same with our scientists, they can tell when there is to be an eclipse of the sun or of the moon: on a certain day at a certain hour, minute and second; but the scientists do not bring about the eclipse. God has foreknowledge, and by this foreknowledge knows the future, but that is where it ends.
Of course God knows everything! He knows the very number of the hairs of our heads. He knows the number of stars and calleth them by name. God knows everything, including the future. And, not only that, but God knows what would have happened if things had happened that didn't happen. He knows the results of all possibilities. The same is illustrated when David inquired of the Lord concerning his enemy. If he should go to one place, would the enemy be there? God said they would. So David went in another direction. Foreknowledge simply means to possess knowledge of things to be.
II THE PREDESTINATION OF GOD
Here is where many saints falter in their witnessing. They read something or other in the Word about predestination and then they reason that God predestinates some people to be saved, and thus predestinates some people to be lost. This is not the case. To begin with, predestination is never for the lost man; but rather, predestination is for the saved men. We have only to read our Bibles, and read the context where it is speaking of predestination, to clearly understand that Salvation is, indeed, a personal matter based upon the "whosoever wills."
As stated before, Predestination is for the saved man. God knows who is going to be saved, and thus He has predestined certain blessings for those who are going to get saved by faith. In other words, God draws a circle, figuratively speaking, and says that whosoever believes in the Lord Jesus Christ will get in the circle. So the believer, upon his faith in Jesus Christ, steps into the circle. Then God says, figuratively speaking, "Whosoever is in that circle by faith, I have predestinated that they shall receive these blessings," and here they are:
A. "TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON."
"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son" (Rom. 8:29a).
This one of the blessings of God has predestinated for the believer--that the believer is going to be fashioned, made, transformed, transfigured into the likeness of the image of Jesus Christ. The things you might be suffering at this moment are happening to you (Rom. 8:28) to make you more like Jesus. And at the rapture, whether we be dead or alive at His coming, we are all going to be changed and be wholly like unto Christ.
B. "UNTO THE ADOPTION OF CHILDREN BY JESUS CHRIST."
"Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will," (Eph.1:5).
Again we want to state that predestination is the predetermined blessings for the saved man and has nothing to do with salvation. Now, in the above text, we are told that the Christian is predestined unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ. It doesn't say that the sinner was predestined to become a child of God; no, but rather the saint has been predestined unto the adoption of children.
To get a better idea of this great truth, it is well to explain the meaning of adoption. In America and England, when we adopt a child, we go by legal means and take a child of another family and get into court to make it our own. But no so with the Jewish family, nor with the ancient Roman and Greek family. These adopted their own children. Adoption simply means "to declare as a son," or "son placed." The fourth chapter of Galatians clearly defines the meaning of adoption. It is the time appointed by the father when his boy ceases to be considered a child and becomes a son. According to even present day Jewish custom it is called BAR MITZVAH-- declared to be a Son of the Law, Son of Blessing. The boy becomes of age after his thirteenth birthday, on the day selected by the father. So it is with us: we are children of God, but we are waiting our BAR MITZVAH, our adoption, the time when our Heavenly Father will declare us of age and place us as Sons before the whole universe: "even we ourselves groan within ourselves, WAITING FOR THE ADOPTION, TO WIT, THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY." (Rom. 8:23). This is one blessing that God has predestinated for the saved man, for all who are trusting the Lord Jesus Christ--that we all shall be declared to be of age and as His SONS-- at the resurrection!
C. "PREDESTINATED ACCORDING TO THE PURPOSE OF HIM."
Here is the third blessing for the child of God-- "being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ." (Eph. 1:11,12).
You will notice that it is not salvation the Holy Spirit is speaking about, but that which is for those who are saved.
So many fail to read the 12th verse; herein is what God has predestinated -- that we should be to the praise of His glory; Nowhere do we find predestination for, or not for, salvation.
III. ELECTION
"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" (Eph. 1:4)
The New Testament words "chosen, choose, and election" are the same. The Old Testament word is simply "chosen." From the above Scripture many have felt that God chooses some to be saved and some to be lost. Again I want to point out that predestination and election (choosing) have nothing to do with the lost, but are for the saved.

From the following Scriptures we learn what the choosing, or election, of God is about:

"For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." (Rom. 9:9-13).

At once we point out that election, or choosing, has to do with service; THE ELDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER. It does not say, "The younger shall be saved, and the elder shall be lost." No, but simply, "the elder shall SERVE the younger." Thus choosing, or election, has to do with service." "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated" wasn't said of these two men before they were born, but hundreds of years after they died. God hated the descendants of Esau because of their unbelief, and loved the descendants of Jacob because of their faith.


In the 15th chapter of John's Gospel, the Lord Jesus said that He had chosen (elected) them disciples. For salvation? No, for service. Even Judas was chosen! For damnation? No, but like Pharaoh, who was a fit vessel unto wrath - after being given many chances to believe, refused, and thus was used for God's purpose.


The prophet Isaiah says that Israel is God's chosen people (Isaiah 41:8). Does this mean that all Jews are saved? No. It simply means that God has chosen Israel for a service. And we know what that service was: to give us the word of God and to give us the Lord Jesus Christ!


The same prophet, Isaiah, says that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Chosen Servant of God (Isaiah 42:1). Does that mean that God chose the Lord Jesus to be saved? Of course not! For He is the SAVIOR! But God did choose His Son for a service -- and that service was to be the Lamb of God who would die for the sins of the world. And He was the obedient Servant, being obedient unto death, even the death of the Cross!


Now back to the original text, as found in Ephesians 1:4. What has God elected or chosen us for? Not salvation; "but He has chosen us even before the foundation of the world" (He knew that we would believe on His Son) for service -- "that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"

Thus, we conclude that God does not predestinate or elect men to be saved or lost, but that salvation is on the basis of "WHOSOEVER WILL!"

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." (Rev. 22:17).
Subject: PLEASE Help the Trumpet of the Lord buy this bus


Author:
Rev. Robert Towns
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Date Posted: 12:38:12 02/14/05 Mon
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Please help the Trumpet of the Lord Evangelistic Ministry buy this bus.

We need it!

This bus is a huge $107,000.00 need.

If you are able to and you can meet this need please send us the money, as the Holy Spirt leads, so that we can buy this bus to use it to minister for the Lord.
All gifts to the Trumpet of the Lord Evangelistic Association 501(c)3 are tax deductible.
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FOR SALE: Asking $107,000
Model 07 Silver Eagle Bus
Remfg in 1992 by Nite Train Coach in Nashville, TN

Details:

Raised roof, 45', 102 wide

Engine - Detroit 6V-92

Transmission - Allison Automatic

15 KW Power Tech generator

2000 watt Trace Inverter

RV type refrigerator - 12 volt bus current

3 ton central A/C and heat

Bus A/C and heater also works

Front & rear lounge - both w/entertainment centers and TVs

Motion Satellite System

7 bunks and lots of closet space

Rear lounge couch folds into full-sized bed

Shower - made of cultured marble

Previous owners: The Whisnants, Steve Wariner


For more information, contact:

Word On The Street Ministries
PO Box 1636
Indian Trail, NC 28079
Tel: 704.882.6134
(smoody@word-on-the-street.org)
Subject: Jan 13 2005 Abortion kills the MOTHER having the abortion


Author:
From Operation Rescue
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Date Posted: 12:52:19 01/29/05 Sat
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“SHE’S DEAD!”
January 25, 2005

Victim of Jan. 13 botched abortion died.
OR says Gov. Sebelius is to blame and calls for the suspension of Tiller’s license.

LISTEN TO 911 CALL

Wichita, KS – Operation Rescue received information from two independent sources that a patient of abortionist George Tiller has died. The woman was transported by ambulance from the abortion clinic owned by late-term abortionist George Tiller to Wesley Medical Center on January 13. Operation Rescue broke the story immediately with pictures and video (see link). Operation Rescue has worked with both of the anonymous sources before and found them to be reliable and credible.

According to one insider, Tiller’s patient arrived at the hospital with “severe hemorrhaging” and died “a few days later” from undetermined causes but the source said, “are very likely to be the result of a botched abortion.” According to 911 transcripts, the ambulance was requested by Tiller office worker Marguerite Reed, who according to 911 dispatch records was being “very evasive” and “refused to give any information about the patient.” The ambulance sped to Wesley Hospital, with sirens and lights.

Operation Rescue staffers at the scene witnessed both the arrival of the ambulance and abortionist George Tiller at Wesley Hospital. The eyewitnesses said it was obvious “something was desperately wrong because of the grim and worried demeanor of the EMTs working frantically to save the woman’s life.”

One key inside source said the woman arrived in “bad shape” and was “horrified at her condition.”

This is the fourth documented ambulance run from Tillers abortion mill to Wesley Hospital in the last 13 months. (June 04, Sept. 04, Jan. 05)

“I question the judgment of Governor Sebelius in vetoing the clinic regulation act. That statue could very well have prevented this needless and tragic death. Our prayer of concern and sympathy go out to the family and loved ones for the untimely death of mother and child.” -Troy Newman, president, Operation Rescue

“We call upon the Kansas Board of Healing Arts, which is overseen by the Governor’s office, to quickly investigate this tragic and needless death, and, in the interest of public safety, to suspend the medical license of George Tiller until a full investigation is complete.” -Cheryl Sullenger, Operation Rescue Outreach Coordinator"
Subject: Dr. Michael E. Schmidt , the world's loudest trumpet player won't play just anywhere


Author:
TTOTLEM
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Date Posted: 14:09:21 01/21/05 Fri
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Today's church is often a luke warm church filled with comfortable apathetic, uncaring
"counterfeit Christians" who will not get involved and help stop the massive killing of unborn babies, who will not invest in the lives of our children to help stop our rising prison population, who have converted the pastorate into a revolving door(even though nowhere in the Bible does it tell a church that it has the authority to hire and fire pastors)and who refuse to financially support the Trumpet of the Lord.
Sadly, we have seeker driven churches that have abandoned their faithful, and we have other churches who are dying because they refuse to witness to the lost that also refuse to change. We have purpose driven churches with purpose driven members who need to become instead rather God driven churches with God driven members. The church is luke warm today because it is not so much a purpose driven church as it is a sucsess driven church. The church and the ministry today is driven by sucsess and popularity, not by faithfulness and godliness. In a few words, the church has become more like a buisiness run by wall street executives and less like the ministry that was established by Jesus. Today's Great Commission has become raise a lot of money so that you can live like a yuppie and be well respected. So many ministers and ministries will do just about anything today that we are often no longer shocked at what we see. One popular tv minister denies the trinity and claims he can raise the dead, while another revoked the ordination of a minister he ordained just because he and his church were protesting abortion clinics. God forbid!

We at the Trumpet of the Lord are a real ministry and we are not a buisiness like many other Christian music ministries. We do not run our ministry like a buisiness. Our name is not owned by a corporation of people seeking to use it just to make a profit. We will help you in any way that we can. We often do things that many sucsessful so called "Christian" music ministries think is a little crazy like giving out free c.d.'s and Bibles to the needy, and ministering to very small churches even if they tell us that they can not afford our minimum fees. We at the Trumpet of the Lord want you to know that we refuse to SELL OUT like most of the other Christian music and or trumpet ministries have.
We do not spend our donations on fancy private multi million dollar jets, and we do not drive luxury cars. We invest in people not promotion, and that is why you might not see us promoting ourselves all of the time in the "popular" southern gospel magazines. We believe that the "Star" was for Jesus not ministers of the gospel. We do not seek to be the most popular group, we only seek to be the most faithful. That is why after so many "popular" groups and singers who achieved more fame than we ever have come and go, yet the Trumpet of the Lord remains faithful to witness to the lost and we are still ministering to churches like we have been doing ever since 1981. We refuse to blow even one note on a trumpet unless we also are given a chance to share the gospel, and we have turned down chances to play where we were "asked" not to speak but just play.
Why would we turn down a chance just to play?
There are some activites that are so bad that the "OUTLAW MIKE" will not participate in them.
Because sharing God's word and worshiping Jesus, not entertaining people is our goal, we select music that gives all the praise, glory and honor to the Lord Jesus Christ. We seek to edify believers, and we do not compromise and get involved with counterfeit Christians like other Christian trumpet ministries have.

We at the Trumpet of the Lord want for you to know that things that are different are not the same, and we are not the trumpet player that played for the opening of Bill Clinton's Presidental library.This same Christian trumpet player even performed the finale "Battle Hymn of the Republic" August 17,2000 at the Democratic National Convention in Staples Center in Los Angeles California. This 'popular" Christian trumpet player who calls himself a "Prophet" of God Almighty was there to show his support for the pro choice pro baby killer/abortion supporter Al Gore's "vision for the future" which included continuing a womans so called "pro choice" right to kill "her" own baby.
The Trumpet of the Lord is not a political organization. Nevertheless, because the Trumpet of the Lord follows the Bible we could never support a group of people who support a womans right to kill "her" own baby.

In protest of this Christian trumpet player and other "CCM" artists performing for the Democratic National Convention Bruce Carter responded:
_____________________

"What a lame attempt by the democrats to throw Christians a bone - to
have a few CCM artists sprinkled in their convention. If I were a
Christian artist, I would have declined the invitation to play at
their convention. The voting records of both men are repugnant to
Christian believers. Even if I chose to call myself a Democrat, my
faith would not allow me to align myself with two fools who do not
honor Jesus Christ - one by his stands on issues, and the other by his
religion.

As far as religion and politics being separate - lets stick our heads
in the sand and ignore the one world government types like Gore
surrender our national sovereignty to the UN. Lets seal ourselves in
our churches and listen to Christian music while babies get ripped to
pieces in abortion chambers - because we didn't have the courage to be
Ceasar - and render unto ourselves - "We the people" the things that
are Ceasar's - OURS. And the things that are God's - like the
precious lives these monsters have supported snuffing out in the name
of "choice". Like the baby - which has already chosen to live - has


any choice! Selfish b------es goes in and have their babies ripped to
pieces and the skull crushed - just so their lives can be more
convenient. And Clinton and Gore think that is OK, and then say they
believe in God - who loves little children. Is there something wrong
with this picture?

OK - democrats - go listen to your CCM. Listen to
"A Baby's Prayer"
by Kathy Trocolli, then go vote for Gore and see how many babies he
can cause the slaughter of. I would hate to stand before the
judgement seat of Almighty God and say "I supported men who believed
abortion was right, because I am a liberal democrat". Can anybody say
"going DOWN"!


Politics has to do with how we live on earth. Religion has to do with
how we will live forever. I think it is time to talk about them.


Remind me to boycott the artists who played for the convention."
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Bruce said
"If I were a
Christian artist, I would have declined the invitation to play at
their convention."

Bruce the Trumpet of the Lord agrees with you and we would have declined the invitation to perform there even though it would have given us a chance to become more popular and get more invitations to preach and play and thus build more wealth.
this is just one of the reasons why we at the Trumpet of the Lord Ministry think that you should think about us the next time that you are looking to invite a sold biblically based preacher and trumpet player to minister to your church.

We are not all the same.



Please visit

http://www.mttu.com

to find out the truth about the slaughter of millions of Jesus' "The least of these
Subject: Promise Keepres keeps an anti abortion table out of its event


Author:
Mike Warren
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Date Posted: 07:49:31 12/17/04 Fri
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Promise Keepers - Abortion Not A Gospel Issue

We gather as Americans this next week to honor and celebrate this nation's founding. July 4th has always been a day to celebrate the great liberties we as Americans enjoy. Yet in our celebration have we forgotten the very principles of liberty we celebrate? Have we forgotten the cost and sacrifice by which these freedoms were purchased?

The great declaration we celebrate with picnics, parades and fireworks is etched with words similar to these; we hold these truths to be self evident, that we as men are endowed by our Creator with rights, among these being the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Lest we forget, our fathers, the fathers of liberty who signed this Declaration those many years ago, were willing to forsake all to see these liberties established. They pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. In their signature they signed their own death warrant, and often that of their family, if they failed.

I fear that today we have become lesser men whose major goals are so much diminished from the dreams of liberty that our founding fathers pursued.

Recently Rescue Rochester sought to place an information table for men attending a Promise Keepers gathering in Rochester, NY. We were willing to invest the needed fees required to set up the table. The national office of Promise Keepers called and informed us that they would never allow a "political issue" to be presented to the men attending. It was, "too controversial." We were told, "Promise Keepers was pro-life, and they agreed with us, but their goal was to get men into the rallies to hear the message." To have a pro-life table there was too controversial a message and would diminish the effectiveness of the rally. I asked if they ever had a pro-life information table at their rallies. They said, "We are not into politics. We don't want to offend new attendees." I asked, " What if we were a Crisis Pregnancy Center?" They again said, "The message stirs too much controversy. We can't allow it. It is against our policies."

Standing for the defense of life is a kingdom issue. It is at the center of the gospel. The declaration "Jesus is Lord" is a challenge to the rulers and institutions of this age! It is a declaration that we, as men, must make. It is a declaration that we, as Christians, must make with our mouths and actions. Will we, on this July 4th, remember that our founding fathers that bought our liberty were willing to be controversial in defense of the truth? Will we remember that the call of the Gospel, the call of establishing His kingdom, requires as much as the establishing of our nation? Will we, as men, rise to the true challenge and be willing to risk "Our Lives, Our Fortunes and Our sacred honor in this worthy pursuit? Or will we seek to walk the broad road of modern reason and compromise, as many of our evangelical leaders and ministries such as Promise Keepers encourage us; looking to win many while risking nothing? Is it possible to win in this manner? I think not!

Mike Warren
Director of Rescue Rochester
Subject: Supreme Court Nominee Info please read


Author:
J.Jeffrey Williams JD
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:29:56 -0500
From: "J. Williams" Add to Address Book
To: jjw@usa.net
Subject: If you want more pro-abortion, liberal judges on the Supreme Court, just ignore this important email


- What Senator on the Judiciary Committee was instrumental in stopping
brilliant conservative Judge Bork, his own party's nominee, from being
allowed
on the Supreme Court, thereby helping to hand President Reagan one of
his
greatest and most devastating defeats? Arlen Spectre.

-What Senator asked his supporters in a 1995 letter, "Will you stand up
to the
far-right fringe that demands that legal abortion be banned?" Arlen
Spectre.

- What Senator on the JFK Assassination Warren Committee came up with
the
"single bullet" theory (which alleges that all the different wounds of
JFK and
the Governor of Texas were caused by only one bullet, which supposedly
changed
directions numerous times, etc.), to support the Warren Committee
conclusion
that he assassination was solely the work of Oswald? Arlen Spectre.

This is the same Arlen Spectre who is next in line to be made CHAIRMAN
of the
Senate Judiciary Committee, which examines and recommends ALL nominees
for ALL
Federal judgeships, including the Supreme Court.

This is the same Arlen Spectre who, one day after being narrowly
reelected by
Bush's endorsement and help, paid Bush back by publicly warning that
Bush
should not nominate judges who are too conservative to suit him.

Of course he is already backpedaling and mealymouthing, but he
desparately
wants this powerful position, and never has there been a stronger need
for
common, decent God-fearing Americans to get involved and let their
wishes be
known. On his website he borders on deception by stating he has never
opposed
one of Bush’s nominees. True- he didn’t need to, the Democratic
filibusters took care of blocking those- but he doesn’t tell you he
blocked
Reagan’s conservative Supreme Court nominee, Robert Bork. Or that he
has
consistently been pro-abortion.

In my opinion speaking up on this particular case is even far more
important
than voting- Presidents change every four years, but bad Supreme Court
decisions control the future of our country for decades or even
centuries. For
example, do you remember the decisions in the 60's banning teachers
from Bible
reading or prayer in public schools? (Have you noticed what happened to
discipline, violence, pregnancy rates, and SAT scores in public schools
starting at that very time?) Not to mention the butchering of the
innocent
after Roe v Wade.

Speaking as a Christian trial attorney, I firmly believe that this may
be the
single most important opportunity you will ever have to help turn this
country
around from radical leftist control via the Supreme Court. Here's how:

Ordinarily the most senior member of the Judiciary Committee from the
party
holding the majority of Senate seats takes over as chairman, and
Spectre is
next in line to do so in January. However, the rest of the Republican
members
of the Committee may choose to overrule this Senate tradition and elect
a
different Chair if they are motivated enough to ruffle a few feathers
and do
so, though it is not common to do so. Constant calls and letters and
faxes and
emails to the other Republican members of the Judiciary Committee
against
Spectre, who said he ran originally as a Republican only "because they
offered
better financial support to their candidate than the Democrats," are
extremely
important at this time.

We can expect voluminous strident Media screeching, disinformation and
armwaving against any such opposition to Spectre. The extreme
anti-Biblical-values left knows that nothing would rip the heart out of
the
leftist power structure in this country like seating conservative,
strict-constructionist judges with traditional values, who believe in
following the Constitution and Bill of Rights, not in legislating the
latest
social trends from the bench or asking what the European courts think
we
should do.

WE MUST GENERATE CONTINUING, HIGH-VOLUME OPPOSITION TO SPECTRE BEING
ALLOWED
TO TAKE OVER AS CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, which
controls
hearings and approvals of all Federal court nominees including the
Supreme
Court. THIS IS CRITICAL AT THIS TIME, AND COULD AFFECT THE DIRECTION OF
THIS
COUNTRY FOR DECADES TO COME.

I respectfully suggest that you phone, write, and call all Republican
members
of the Judiciary Committee (and perhaps all other Republican senators
and
senators-elect) and demand that Spectre NOT be allowed to take over as
Chairman of the Judiciary Committee. (Democratic members of that
committee,
which include the likes of Ted Kennedy, are not allowed to vote in this
matter, as they are the minority party at this time.) And while you're
at it,
you may wish to ask them which way they intend to vote, and whether
they would
agree to drop the usuual "secret ballot" provisions in this matter.
(Secret
ballots for the senators on the committee make it harder for us to hold
them
accountable for their vote.)


One news source reports that "Rumor has it that the powers-that-be in
Washington are sitting on their hands, waiting to see if the furor over
Specter dies down this week. We can’t let that happen - so pick up
the
phone. Call these Senators today!"

I would add, then email them and write them and fax them, and have your
wife,
older children, and friends do so separately. Then do so all over again
next
week.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."
- Edmund Burke

Please pass this on to everyone you can.

Yours for God and Country,

Jeff Williams
jjw@USA.net

Here are the D.C. office numbers of the Committee members to let your
voice be
heard:

Hatch (202) 224-5251
Grassley (202) 224-3744
Kyl (202) 224-4521
DeWine (202) 224-2315
Sessions (202) 224-4124
Graham (202) 224-5972
Craig (202) 224-2752
Chambliss (202) 224-3521
Cornyn (202) 224-2934

And don’t forget Majority Leader Frist at: (202) 224-3344.

And if you need more motivation - check out Kay Daly’s column at
www.gopusa.com. Kay’s been working the judicial nominations fight for
some
time -and knows better than most what a danger Specter could be as
Chairman.

If you want more information, below are two articles with more
information
about Spectre's persona, positions, and actions:

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Controversial remarks by Sen. Arlen Specter, cautioning President Bush
against
nominating Supreme Court justices who would overturn the Roe vs. Wade
abortion
decision, have sparked a furious outcry from Bush's large conservative
and
Evangelical support base, and spawned a movement to ensure the
Pennsylvania
Republican does not ascend to chairmanship of the Senate Judiciary
Committee
as expected.
Overnight, a website named NotSpecter.com emerged to help lead the
charge.
Organized as a project of RedState.org, the website "is dedicated to
the
proposition that the Republican party, the conservative movement and
the
country would all be better served without Arlen Specter as chairman of
the
Senate Judiciary Committee. For decades, Specter has shown that his
personal
interests and the president's agenda are at odds."
The site has a petition that will be forwarded to the judiciary panel
and
offers other ways to contact influential officials in Washington.
Recently re-elected to a fifth term with the crucial aid of President
Bush,
Specter is in line to become chairman in January when Sen. Orrin Hatch
of Utah
steps down due to term-limit rules.
According to an Associated Press interview Wednesday, Specter said,
"When you
talk about judges who would change the right of a woman to choose,
overturn
Roe vs. Wade, I think that is unlikely. The president is well aware of
what
happened, when a number of his nominees were sent up, with the
filibuster. ...
And I would expect the president to be mindful of the considerations
which I
am mentioning."
After an immediate outburst of national outrage, Specter issued a
statement
Thursday insisting he did not send a warning to Bush.
"I did not warn the president about anything and was very respectful of
his
constitutional authority on the appointment of federal judges," Specter
said.
"I have never and would never apply any litmus test on the abortion
issue."
Nevertheless, outraged Iowa state Rep. Dan Boddicker has launched a
drive to
make Sen. Charles Grassley chairman of the panel instead. But the Iowa
Republican senator, an abortion opponent, is expected to resume his
chairmanship of the Senate Finance Committee.
According to rules established by the majority party, the committee
chairman
will be chosen by a secret-ballot vote of the Republican members of the
panel.
The nod traditionally goes to the senior member, but the rules specify
any
member can be selected. The entire conference must then approve the
committee's pick by another secret ballot, although rejection is rare.
Specter, who says he joined the GOP in his first election race in 1965
because
it offered more support than the Democrats, has a lifetime rating of 43
out of
100 from the American Conservative Union. By comparison, his
Pennsylvania
Republican colleague Sen. Rick Santorum has a rating of 87.
But Santorum has come to Specter's defense, while seeking assurance he
will
abide by the president's wishes.
After Specter's follow-up statement Thursday, Santorum said Specter had
"clarified that he does not support a litmus test for nominees with
regard to
their stance on abortion" and added he looked forward "to working with
Sen.
Specter to guarantee that every judicial nominee put forth by President
Bush
has an up-or-down vote" by the full Senate.
Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, told the AP he hoped Specter would promise
to back
the president's nominees.
"I'm intending to sit down and discuss with him how things are going to
work,"
he said. "We want to know what he's going to do and how things are
going to
work."

Vigorous campaign
Syndicated radio talk host Laura Ingraham, urging "Stop Specter Now,"
is
waging a vigorous campaign to get listeners to put pressure on Senate
Majority
Leader Bill Frist, who has shown interest in becoming the Republican
presidential nominee in 2008.
Ingraham is among many asking citizens to call Frist's office at (202)
224-3344 and contact members of the judiciary committee.
A group called Grassroots PA points out Specter wrote a letter in 1995
to
supporters that slammed the "far-right fringe" of the Republican Party.
The group pulled out quotes from Specter's letter:
• "I want to strip the strident anti-choice language" from the GOP
party
plank.
• "I will not give up our Party to radical extremists without a
fight."
• "Will you stand up to the far-right fringe that demands that legal
abortion be banned?"
• "I don't think the Republican Party should be blackmailed by any
special
interest group."
James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, called Specter's comments
this week
"the worst kind of political bullying."
The Family Research Council noted Spector led the fight against
President
Reagan's nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court, Robert Bork.
"He has a history of pandering to the aggressive abortion lobby and a
Specter
chairmanship would be disastrous," the FRC said in a statement.
As chairman, the FRC pointed out, "he would control the confirmation
process
of federal judges, including nominees to the Supreme Court. He would
also
determine the makeup of the Senate Judiciary Committee staff, which
would go a
long way toward determining the committee's political and judicial
philosophy."
Concerned Women for America sent a letter yesterday to Frist, urging
the
majority leader to "use your considerable influence to prevent Sen.
Specter
from being placed in a position of trust to which he is clearly not
suited."
CWA referred to the conventional wisdom that Specter would not have
narrowly
defeated popular conservative challenger Rep. Pat Toomey in the
Republican
primary without the support of President Bush.
"Some pay-back," CWA said. "Specter earned no mandate to tell the
president
that he did not earn 'a mandate' in his election victory."
CWA added, "Given the president's resounding victory by both popular
and the
Electoral College vote, and the Republicans' increased margin in the
Senate to
55 seats, filibusters should be out of the question to consider and
easy to
defeat. This makes it all the more traitorous for Specter to give aid
and
comfort to those who've opposed the president’s judicial nominees."
A coalition of pro-life groups plans a "pray-in" outside the Dirksen
Senate
Office building Tuesday at 12:30 p.m. to help ensure Specter does not
get the
panel chairmanship.
The coalition, which says it hopes also to pray inside Frist's office,
includes Troy Newman of Operation Rescue, Rev. Pat Mahoney of the
Christian
Defense Coalition, Rev. Rob Schenck of Faith and Action, and Chris
Slattery, a
pro-life, pro-family activist from New York City.
"We urge people to contact Senator Frist and let him know that the
president
needs a loyal man at the helm of the Judiciary Committee, and that man
is not
Senator Spector, " said Mahoney.
"Specter's attempt to challenge the right of the president to make
judicial
appointments is outrageous," said Newman. "He cannot be allowed to
single-handedly hold nominees hostage with whom he has a personal ax to
grind."



November 05, 2004, 9:30 a.m.
(Bush helped Spectre over Toomey, and Spectre repaid Bush with his
remarks
the day after election telling Bush he better not nominate strong
conservatives. -jjw)

MORE INFO ON SPECTRE'S RADICALISM: Article from National Review last
year

The Awful Specter of Yet Another Term
Conservatives need a friend in Pennsylvania.

By John J. Miller
EDITOR'S NOTE: Republican senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania coasted
to
reelection on Tuesday, winning 53 percent of the vote against his
Democratic
opponent. He quickly put his political future at risk, however, when he
warned
President Bush in an interview not to nominate any Supreme Court
Justices who
might consider overturning Roe v. Wade. Specter is next in line to head
the
Senate Judiciary Committee, so his views on judicial nominations carry
enormous weight. Even before this latest comment, conservatives were
demanding
that Specter — one of the most liberal Republicans in the Senate —
not be
elevated to this position of great influence. Early this year, many of
them
backed congressman Pat Toomey’s underdog bid against Specter in the
GOP
primary — a valiant effort that very nearly succeeded, until Bush
intervened
in the final days and dragged the imperiled incumbent across the finish
line
for a narrow victory. Last year, John J. Miller wrote a cover story for
National Review on Specter and his legacy (in the September 1, 2003,
issue of
National Review). It is reprinted here.
“I'll go straight to the point," said Arlen Specter, shortly after
sitting
down to dinner with Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Foundation in
March.
"I've got a primary and I'm being hit from the right. I want your
support."
The Republican senator from Pennsylvania wasn't going to get it merely
by
breaking bread. Says Weyrich: "I told him I was disgusted with how he
comes
around just before his elections and asks for conservative
endorsements, when
we all know he won't give us the time of day later on." In years past,
Weyrich
has traveled to Specter's home turf and urged conservatives to stick
with one
of the GOP's most liberal members. "I'm not sure what I'm going to do
this
time."
The choice for Weyrich — and the whole conservative movement — is
whether
to make another uneasy peace with Specter in the prudential belief that
no
party holding a one-seat majority in the Senate should dump an
incumbent who
has won four previous elections in a swing state. The alternative is to
rally
behind Pat Toomey, an impressive congressman from Allentown who has
launched
an energetic primary bid against the man who has done more to frustrate
conservative goals over the years than perhaps any other member of his
caucus.
Specter may not be the most unreliable GOP senator — he faces strong
competition in that category from Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island —
but he is
almost certainly the most harmful, because he is smart, ruthless, and
influential.
Weyrich's complaint is a common one: Specter votes like a Democrat
until late
in his term, when he remembers that he will need at least some
conservatives
on his side if he's going to win another six years. "Arlen is not a
team
player, but we're getting a little more cooperation out of him this
year,"
says one GOP senator. In 2001, for instance, Specter was in his usual
form,
helping slash the Bush administration's tax cuts by $250 billion. This
year,
however, he embraced the president's tax-relief proposals early on.
"There's
more reason for an economic stimulus now," he says. Skeptics think it's
not
the economy he's trying to jump-start as much as it is his Republican
base —
which he'll need in next April's primary.
The 73-year-old Specter is one of the Senate's best-known but
least-liked
members. His notoriety dates back to 1964, when, as a young lawyer
serving on
the Warren Commission, he invented the "single-bullet theory" to
explain how
Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated President Kennedy. Ever since,
conspiracy
groupies have blamed him for a major cover-up. In Oliver Stone's movie
JFK,
Kevin Costner's character labels Specter "an ambitious junior
counselor"
behind "one of the grossest lies ever forced on the American people."
Lawmakers on Capitol Hill have much better reasons for disliking him:
They
regard Specter as one of the prickliest pols in Congress — a
humorless man
who is cold to colleagues and cruel to staff. Late one night several
years
ago, Senate majority leader Trent Lott needed Specter to sign off on an
appropriations bill. Specter agreed to do it, for a price: Lott would
have to
attend two fundraisers in Pennsylvania. Lott made the deal, but this
sort of
legislative hostage-taking doesn't win fans. "There are two kinds of
senators:
Republicans who don't like Specter and Democrats who don't like
Specter," says
a former leadership aide. In a Washingtonian magazine survey, Hill
staffers
rated him the Senate's meanest member. This has given rise to one of
Specter's
nicknames: Snarlin' Arlen.
Being "mean" isn't necessarily a bad quality in a politician. When
Weyrich
stumped for Specter in 1992, he made a simple point to his conservative
listeners: "Arlen Specter is a jerk, but he's our jerk." A former
Senate
staffer puts it this way: "If there's a tough debate going on, you
definitely
want Specter on your side."
The problem for conservatives is that Specter isn't their jerk nearly
enough.
He is an abortion-rights absolutist, a dogged advocate of racial
preferences,
a bitter foe of tort reform, a firm friend of the International
Criminal Court
— the list is long. When Citizens Against Government Waste recently
listed
Specter in its "Pig Book" as one of the Senate's most profligate
spenders, he
shot back: "If they left me out, I'd be worried." In 1995, Specter
briefly ran
for president and pursued the unique strategy of attacking the base of
his own
party: His announcement speech lobbed a grenade at "the intolerant
Right."
After pressing this theme for several months, one poll showed him
attracting
support from a grand total of 1 percent of Republicans. The senator's
lifetime
rating from the American Conservative Union is 42 percent (Pat Toomey's
is
97).
In July, Specter disappointed conservatives yet again when he blocked a
school-choice proposal that would have granted vouchers to 2,000 poor
students
in the District of Columbia. Prominent Democrats, including D.C. mayor
Anthony
Williams and Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, support the plan. So
did
Specter six years ago, when he voted in favor of a similar measure.
"I've
regretted it ever since," he now says. "I believe school choice
violates the
separation of church and state. It's unconstitutional." But didn't the
Supreme
Court rule otherwise last year? "It was a 5-4 decision. The court may
change
its mind." Specter's own children attended private school in
Philadelphia.
"They didn't have access to a good public school," he explains. So what
would
he say to a mother in D.C. who insists that her kids don't have access
to a
good public school either? "There are charter schools available. I've
led the
way to improve the quality of education in America."
Specter's biggest impact probably has come on the Judiciary Committee.
That
makes sense, because he was a prominent lawyer before arriving in
Washington.
In addition to his work on the Warren Commission, he was twice elected
district attorney in Philadelphia, where he earned a tough-on-crime
reputation. On the Judiciary Committee, he has been tough on Republican
judicial nominees. In 1986, Ronald Reagan selected Jeff Sessions of
Alabama
for the federal bench, but Specter joined his Democratic colleagues in
defeating the nomination — it was only the second time the Judiciary
Committee had turned down a nominee since the FDR era. Attorney general
Ed
Meese called it "an appalling surrender to the politics of ideology."
Sessions
didn't vanish from public life; in 1996, he was elected to the Senate.
Now he
sits with Specter on the Judiciary Committee. The two men don't talk
about
what passed between them 17 years ago, but Specter admits he made a
mistake:
"I've gotten to know him. I regret my vote."
Specter doesn't regret a more famous vote that took place the following
year,
on the Supreme Court nomination of Robert Bork. This was a watershed
moment in
Washington politics, when left-wing histrionics began to play a leading
role
in judicial confirmations — and the term "borking" was born. Bork had
an
impeccable record as a law professor and judge, but the debate over his
nomination was dominated by the fevered rhetoric of his enemies, who
said that
confirming him would condemn women to back-alley abortions and blacks
to
segregated lunch counters. Fresh from his first re-election a few
months
earlier, Specter couldn't make up his mind about what to do. He
questioned
Bork for hours in his private chambers and at public hearings. In the
end, he
decided to vote against confirmation. "He called and said that he
couldn't be
sure about me," says Bork.
"I've never known what he meant by that." Specter's announcement doomed
the
nomination. As Bork lobbyist Tom Korologos put it at the time: "Specter
hit
the game-winning RBI." Conservatives, of course, resent that he was
batting
for the wrong team.
Specter likes to think that he redeemed himself in the eyes of the
Right four
years later, when he was a strong defender of embattled nominee
Clarence
Thomas. With his next election a year away, he was indeed looking to
win
points with the Right. His strong prosecutorial skills became an
important
asset to Thomas, in hearings that polarized the country even more than
Bork's
had. It is possible to believe that without Specter's aggressive
interrogation
of Anita Hill, including his accusation that she may have committed
perjury,
Thomas would not have been confirmed.
Yet Specter wasted little time in distancing himself from the man he
helped
elevate. He has described the Thomas-Hill episode as a kind of
sensitivity
seminar on sexual harassment: "The hearings were a learning experience
for me
and, for that matter, for America, too." He has also expressed his
"disappointment" in Thomas's performance on the Supreme Court. Specter
refuses
to use the same word today, though he's clearly not comfortable with
Thomas's
conservative record. "He's grown a lot in the last twelve years," says
the
senator. But Specter still won't commit to voting for Thomas if he were
nominated as Chief Justice. "I'd want to think about that," he says.
What
about Antonin Scalia for chief justice? "I'd want to think about that,
too."
The impeachment trial of Bill Clinton occurred before the full Senate
rather
than the Judiciary Committee, but many people believed Specter again
would
play a memorable role. And in fact he did, though his performance was
most
noteworthy for its weirdness. Senators were supposed to determine
whether
Clinton was "guilty" or "not guilty" of impeachable crimes. Specter,
however,
wanted a third option: "Under Scottish law, there are three possible
verdicts:
'guilty,' 'not guilty,' and 'not proven.'" He said that the president
had not
received a proper trial, in the sense that no witnesses were called —
and
therefore senators didn't have enough information to convict. When
Specter
announced "not proven" during the roll call, Chief Justice William
Rehnquist
ordered his verdict to be recorded as "not guilty." Specter continued
to claim
that the distinction was meaningful, and suggested that perhaps Clinton
should
face a criminal trial in an actual court after leaving office. Yet he
clearly
doesn't have a low opinion of the former president; two pictures of
Clinton
decorate the foyer of Specter's Senate office.
During the George W. Bush administration, Specter has supported most of
the
president's picks for the federal bench. In May, however, he forced the
Judiciary Committee to send the nomination of Leon Holmes to the Senate
floor
without a recommendation — an embarrassing setback for the White
House. (As
of this writing, there still hasn't been a floor vote on Holmes.) In
July, he
voted to approve Bill Pryor's nomination, but not before announcing
that he
might change his mind and vote against Pryor on the Senate floor.
This behavior is no surprise, though it would take on added
significance if
Specter were to become the next chairman of the Judiciary Committee, as
he is
now in line to do. Orrin Hatch of Utah is the current chairman, but
he's
term-limited in that position. Next comes Chuck Grassley of Iowa, who
isn't
expected to give up his control of the powerful Finance Committee.
After him
sits Specter, who has wanted the top job at Judiciary for years.
"There's a
lot I would like to do," he says, citing violent crime, antitrust law,
and
privacy as leading concerns. Several of his colleagues on the
committee,
however, are worried about the prospect of a Chairman Specter in 2005.
"He
could take the committee in a more liberal direction," says one of
them. "It
would definitely be a challenge."
Perhaps this is the clinching argument against Specter: He may in fact
be the
GOP's best bet for holding Pennsylvania's Senate seat, but his
re-election
also represents the best shot liberals have for influencing an
important
committee in a Senate they don't otherwise control. What's more, if
Specter
wins a fifth term in 2004, he'll be 80 years old in 2010 and perhaps
ready to
retire. If he knows he doesn't have to face voters again, conservatives
may
not even get the one or two years of leverage over him they've come to
expect.
Specter's Pennsylvania colleague Rick Santorum, a committed
conservative,
supports Specter over Pat Toomey. "There's no question that Arlen's an
independent guy, but he also understands the concept of team," says
Santorum.
"This race could draw resources away from other states, where there's a
big
difference between a Democrat and a Republican rather than a small one
between
Specter and Toomey." This party-line loyalty is remarkable, because
Specter
tried to complicate Santorum's first Senate primary by recruiting a
pro-abortion woman to run against him. His first choice was Teresa
Heinz,
widow of the late Republican senator John Heinz (and now the wife of
John
Kerry). When she said no, Specter turned to state auditor Barbara
Hafer, who
looked like a candidate for a few weeks but didn't get in. Specter was
forced
to abandon his efforts. Santorum captured the GOP nod and won the
general
election — showing that true-blue conservatives can prevail in
Pennsylvania
if they invigorate conservatives and run respectably among the state's
many
Reagan Democrats.
Anybody launching a primary challenge against an incumbent faces long
odds,
but Toomey is optimistic. "I wouldn't be doing this if I weren't
convinced I
could win," he says. Specter is taking the primary seriously, which is
good
news and bad news for Toomey: good because it suggests that Specter
really
does feel vulnerable, bad because Specter won't fall victim to Lazy
Incumbent
Syndrome. At the end of June, Specter had nearly $9 million in the
bank,
compared to about $1.5 million for Toomey. "I won't be out-hustled,"
says the
senator.
Yet the 41-year-old congressman remains confident. "I never thought I
was
going to raise more money than Arlen Specter," he says. "But I am going
to
raise enough to get out my message." Most experts think he'll need at
least $4
million to have a real chance to win. He may yet succeed: In 1998,
Specter
faced two nameless primary opponents who spent next to nothing on their
campaigns, and they attracted a combined 33 percent of the vote. This
suggests
that Toomey — not an unknown, but a conservative standout in the
House who
has won three elections in a Democratic-leaning district — begins
with
one-third of Republicans already in his pocket. He will only go up from
there.
And nobody should regard Specter as invincible in the general election:
In
1992, Lynn Yeakel came out of nowhere and almost beat him, holding
Specter to
49 percent of the electorate and drawing 46 percent for herself.
Much of the GOP establishment nevertheless is getting behind Specter,
including the White House. But Toomey is making gains. Two dozen
members of
the state legislature support his insurgency, as do Pennsylvania
right-to-life
groups and national organizations such as the Club for Growth. Steve
Forbes
and Grover Norquist also back him. The Pennsylvania primary is closed,
meaning
that only Republicans can vote in it; conservatives therefore will have
a lot
to say about who wins the nomination. Specter believes there's a
conservative
case to be made on behalf of his re-election. On primary day, though,
conservatives might well make a different declaration: "Not proven."
(Too late for that race now.-jjw)



Jeff Williams
Subject: T.D.Jakes' weak viewson the Trinity :T.D. Jakes concerns


Author:
Jerry L. Buckner
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Date Posted: 09:12:29 06/14/04 Mon
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The Man, His Ministry, And His Movement:
Concerns About The Teachings Of T. D. Jakes

by Jerry L. Buckner



In just six years or so, he has taken the church by storm. Charismatic. Dynamic. Compassionate. Successful. Thomas Dexter (T.D.) Jakes is surely all this - he's even been touted as the black Billy Graham. He identifies with your pain, and in this identification he helps you turn your heartache into hope.

Jakes seems to be the ultimate American success story of one who has gone from rags to riches. His influence across the Pentecostal, charismatic, and evangelical world is staggering. His television program, The Potter's House, is beamed into more than 500 prisons and viewed by three million people in the United States, England, the Caribbean, Uganda, Zimbabwe, and South Africa. He has twice been a featured speaker at Promise Keepers stadium events and has cohosted both the 700 Club and Praise The Lord. He appeared on Larry King Live with Pat Robertson, Chuck Colson, and Jerry Falwell on 2 September 1998 to discuss morality and forgiveness issues pertaining to President Clinton. He pastors a church less than three years old that has 17,000 members, with extensive outreach programs to the poor and disadvantaged. His Woman Thou Art Loosed (WTAL) conference during 29–31 July 1999 drew 85,000 women to Atlanta's Georgia Dome and had 100 satellite transmissions to prisons and detention centers. Presidential front-runner George W. Bush, who has endorsed The Potter's House's outreach programs, spoke at the WTAL conference in Atlanta. Jakes has authored 18 books and eight have appeared on national Christian best-seller lists. His 1998 book, The Lady, Her Lover, and Her Lord, was number one on Publishers Weekly's Religion Bestsellers list for four months.

Yet, with his personal success and positive impact on others, Jakes's ministry has not been without controversy. This article will explore his successes and contributions, and whether there is any substance to the criticism he has received.

HIS BACKGROUND: THE "BIBLE BOY" MAKES GOOD

T. D. Jakes was born on 9 June 1957 and grew up as the youngest son in a South Charleston, West Virginia family. His mother, Odith, was a home economics teacher who taught all of her children to cook, clean, and sew. His father, Ernest, was an entrepreneur who had 42 employees working in his janitorial business. As a young boy, Jakes reflected his parents' work ethic by having a newspaper route, selling Avon products, and selling vegetables from his mother's garden. He was known in his neighborhood as the "Bible Boy" because he had the habit of preaching to imaginary congregations while always carrying a Bible.1

When Jakes was 10, his father developed kidney disease, and the boy spent the next few years helping to care for his father. When his mother became ill two months before his graduation, he dropped out of high school to help care for her. He also dropped out of West Virginia State University after a year in order to take a job. He later earned a GED certificate and eventually received bachelor's and master's degrees and a doctorate in ministry through correspondence courses.2

Jakes felt called to the ministry at age 17 and began preaching part-time while he was a student at West Virginia State University and while working at a chemical plant. He eventually became part-time music director at the Baptist church in which he grew up. As a part-time pastor, Jakes helped found Greater Emanuel Temple of Faith in 1980 in a storefront in Montgomery, West Virginia with only 10 members. In 1982, he began full-time ministry after the chemical plant where he worked closed and his father died of kidney disease.3 In 1983, he held his first conference (now called "The Bible Conference") with 80 attendees. In 1990, he moved his ministry to South Charleston. The congregation then grew from 100 members to more than 300.4

In 1992, he preached the sermon "Woman Thou Art Loosed" in Sunday school.5 This message became his trademark.6 One year later, Jakes wrote his first book, also titled Woman Thou Art Loosed. In 1993, he also began his weekly television program, Get Ready with T. D. Jakes, a program that is now called The Potter's House and airs four times a week. Later that year, he moved his ministry to Cross Lanes, West Virginia. The congregation grew to nearly 1,000 members of all races, including 40 percent Caucasian.7 In 1994, Jakes established T. D. Jakes Ministries, the nonprofit organization with currently 150 employees that produces his conferences and television programs, distributes his tapes and videos, and manages his crusades.8

T. D. Jakes met his wife, Serita Ann Jamison, while he was a guest speaker at her church. They have been married since 1981 and have five children.

HIS MINISTRY: TRANSFORMING LIVES

In May 1996, Jakes moved his family and 50 other families from West Virginia to establish the Potter's House in Dallas. The present church is on the 28-acre site where the old Eagle's Nest Church of television evangelist W. V. Grant had been. This site cost $3.2 million. The Potter's House is a multiracial, nondenominational church with membership rapidly approaching 20,000. As many as 5,000 people attend each of the four three-hour services every weekend.9 Many others watch the service on closed-circuit television. A crew tapes and edits the sermon, which is played on cable television and sold after the service. Paul Jones, the ministry's marketing director, told The Wall Street Journal that T. D. Jakes Ministries sells about two million videotapes a year, not including conference sales.10

The church's name comes from Jeremiah 18, where the broken vessel is repaired: "Our ministry is called The Potter's House because we are geared toward mending broken lives, regardless of what color they are."11 The church's congregation is 50 percent male, a high percentage.12

The Potter's House's programs include "Ravens Refuge, a homeless ministry; Operation Rehab, an outreach to prostitutes; a GED literacy program; the Transformation Treatment Program for drug and alcohol abusers; an AIDS outreach; and a prison outreach."13 It provides bilingual services, translation and interpretation. Even sign language is done bilingually. "Early every Sunday morning, ministers from The Potter's House drive downtown to pick up the homeless people; before church, the homeless get showers and clean clothes, the women, hair-styling and makeup."14

On 1 March 1998, T. D. Jakes and the Potter's House dedicated Project 2000, a 231-acre tract of land, which will be transformed into the City of Refuge to meet transgenerational needs for rehabilitation, education, and training.

The multiethnic character of Jakes's ministry is certainly praiseworthy. Martin Luther King, Jr., observed that the church is the most segregated major institution in American society.15 Jakes would like to see racism obliterated: "It's not the color of your skin that will bring deliverance and help from God; it's the contents of your heart."16 Other churches can learn from this message.

CONFERENCES ON MALE AND FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS

The power of Jakes's impact is particularly evident in his conferences. He gives the yearly "WTAL" and "Manpower" conferences, which attract 70 percent black, 20 percent white, and 10 percent Hispanic.17 Jakes appeals to women because he addresses their felt needs. He speaks to the pain women are experiencing, whether that pain is a marriage that is falling apart, the loneliness of being a single mother, physical abuse, or any mistreatment. He started the WTAL conferences because he saw this pain while counseling women individually. He sees the conferences as mass counseling sessions. The WTAL conferences and several of his books appeal to the emotions of women. "As he puts it, 25% of women in America have been sexually assaulted in some way before the age of 15, the phenomenon, hardly mentioned in most churches, creates a huge reservoir of pain."18

Controversial issues have been kept off-limits in most churches. Jakes comes out and addresses sexism as a sin. This is the message women want to hear. The issues that Jakes deals with — rape, battered women, and how to find healing make the difference. He has answers that a lot of people don't find in church.19

In his books, Jakes explicitly addresses issues with which women struggle. Not only does he speak to struggles that may date back to childhood experiences, but he also offers solutions. He speaks in a compassionate way that convinces women he cares. He points out that some women are victims without being molested. "They were not the direct victims, just the witnesses of a nightmare...They are sad casualties of a cold war. A war that we are losing."20 Jakes goes a step further by telling women to rise above their attitudes: "Until your attitude is corrected, you can't be corrected....You cannot expect the whole human race to move over because you had a bad childhood."21 Jakes attributes his success in dealing with women as coming from his own experiences with pain, such as coping with his father's illness and death. In regard to pain, Jakes says, "It will either make you bitter or it will make you better. I wanted to be made better, not bitter."22

T. D. Jakes appeals to men as well as women. The yearly Manpower conferences teach men how to be men. He mentors men regarding their responsibility toward their families. He teaches that a real man provides for and protects his family. He says there are just as many abused men as women. He tells men to respect women as God's gift to them. Jakes even purchased subscriptions to GQ magazine for the men in his organization to help them learn about manhood.23 The contents of this magazine would shock Christians, however. In the April–June 1997 issue of Quarterly Journal, G. Richard Fisher describes some of the magazine's inappropriateness.24 As Fisher notes, the Bible gives many more and better practical guidelines than GQ on manhood and being a godly man (see, e.g., 1 Tim. 3:1–13; Titus 1:5–9).

CONCERNS ABOUT THE MAN AND HIS MESSAGE

The apostle John measures our relationship with God by whether we follow or deviate from Christ's doctrine (2 John 9). We are warned not to allow false teachers to teach in our churches nor give them any encouragement (v. 10). And if we do, we share in their evil deeds (v. 11).

T. D. Jakes has shared the platform at times with Benny Hinn, Richard Roberts, Rod Parsley, Joyce Meyer, Rodney Howard-Browne, and Roberts Liardon. Fisher comments concerning Liardon, "Any discerning Christian should want to stay as far away as possible from Liardon who claims he was transported to heaven and there he met Jesus face to face and that he and Jesus had a water fight in the River of Life! Liardon further claims he was shown a building filled with unclaimed body parts (hair, eyes, skin, legs, etc.). This heavenly warehouse of unclaimed body parts is overstocked according to Liardon simply because here on earth believers fail to appropriate them by faith."25

On 28 September 1998 Jakes spoke on Praise The Lord, hosted by Paul and Jan Crouch, regarding Kenneth Copeland: "Kenneth Copeland sent a prophecy to me and shared that God was going to send me to the White House. And I was so busy in the Potter's House that the idea of going to the White House was totally absurd to me. But I respected him as a man of God and we just prayed over it and received it."26 The association of T. D. Jakes with such well-known Word of Faith and Counterfeit Revival teachers raises troubling questions about him.

Christian Research Institute (CRI) has been swamped with letters raising questions and concerns about T. D. Jakes. One minister wrote that he shared a Rev. Jakes tape with college and professional athletes. Yet he said he knows very little about the man and asked for help in discerning the right and wrong in his teaching. Jesus commands us to inspect the fruit of leaders' lives and doctrine in order to discern between truth and error (Matt. 7:15–23).

TRINITARIAN OR MODALIST?

A Protestant, state corrections chaplain told CRI that "one of the most popular TV evangelists at our institution is T. D. Jakes." He concluded by asking for clarification of Jakes's position on the Trinity. CRI has received two e-mails sent by T. D. Jakes Ministries to people inquiring about that subject. One e-mail response is that "Bishop T. D. Jakes and The Potter's House of Dallas believe there is one God who manifest [sic] Himself in the Trinity — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We have never denied the Trinity, and we are disappointed that anyone would misunderstand or misrepresent us."27

The meaning of the term Trinity, according to historic Christianity, is that within the nature of the one God co-exist three equal and eternal persons — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. T. D. Jakes Ministries and historic Christianity both use the word Trinity, but the meaning of the word appears to be different. Walter Martin taught us that we must scale the language barrier of the cults. We must recognize the reality that unless terms are defined, a semantic jungle will envelope us, making it difficult, if not impossible, to properly contrast orthodox Christianity with teachings outside it.28

On the T. D. Jakes Ministries Web site, an older but still accessible version of their Statement of Faith reads, "There is one God, creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and existing in three Manifestations: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."29 Their current doctrinal statement has been altered somewhat to read: "THREE DIMENSIONS OF ONE GOD (1 John 5:7, Matt. 28:19, 1 Tim. 3:16)" — "We believe in one God, who is eternal in His existence, Triune in His Manifestations, being both Father, Son and Holy Ghost AND that He is Sovereign and Absolute in His authority."30

The position taken by T. D. Jakes Ministries remains problematic. The problem lies in the word "manifestation." Manifestation is a modalistic term often used by Oneness Pentecostals. Modalism views Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as different modes of God's activity rather than three separate persons.31

Jakes was interviewed in August 1998 by Living by the Word (LBTW) ministry. This interview was aired on KKLA 99.5 FM in Los Angeles. During this interview, Jakes said, "We have one God, but He is Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Holy Spirit in regeneration."32 This wording is identical to the Oneness Pentecostal view as described by David K. Bernard, pastor of New Life United Pentecostal Church (UPC), in his book The Oneness of God: "A popular explanation of Father, Son and Holy Ghost is that there is one God who has revealed [ie., manifested] Himself as Father in Creation, Son in redemption and Holy Ghost in regeneration."33

In his interview with LBTW, Jakes also describes the Trinity as a complex issue, saying, "I'm not sure we can totally hold God to a numerical system."34 This statement is consistent with his book Anointing Fall on Me: "The concept of the Godhead is a mystery that has baffled Christians for years. With our limited minds we try to comprehend a limitless God. How can we explain one God but three distinct manifestations?"35 This idea also reflects Bernard's Oneness Pentecostal views: "We cannot confine God to three or any other number of specific roles and titles."36

CRI Coordinator of Research Sam Wall spoke over the telephone with Pastor Lawrence Robinson, Director of Ministry Affairs at the Potter's House, inquiring about their view of the Trinity. Robinson affirmed that Jakes denies the biblical position of the Trinity, at one point saying that the Roman Catholic Church introduced the concept of three gods. Robinson gave some modalistic illustrations of the Trinity and said that Jakes has always held this position.37 Twice after that, Wall e-mailed Pastor Robinson to confirm the content of their discussion. Robinson never responded. Wall noted in his e-mail, "Should I not hear from you by e-mail, I will assume that these statements by you are correct."38

In the 1998 Wall Street Journal article on Jakes, Lawrence Robinson speaks of knowing T. D. Jakes since he was a young man.39 According to T. D. Jakes Ministries Web site, Elder Lawrence Robinson has been attached to the heart of T. D. Jakes Ministries since 1985 as a faithful partner.40

Jakes's denial of the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity is further betrayed by his association with the Higher Ground Always Abounding Assembly. He is a leader and elected bishop of this group.41 CRI spoke with Elder Mike Pearson, an instructor at the Higher Ground Bible Institute. He confirmed that the Assembly has a Oneness view of the Trinity and that T. D. Jakes has been part of this association for about seven years.42

In order to appropriately discern and respond to modalism, it is vital for Christians to understand the Trinity as it is presented in the Bible. James R. White offers three suggestions:

First we need to do some major league education on what the doctrine actually teaches....In the second place, we have to impress on every believer the vital importance of understanding, accepting, and experiencing the truth that God has revealed Himself to be Triune: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit....Finally, we have to educate, NOT with arrogance or pride, but with a passion and fervor born of love for the truth....Concerned Christians need to voice their disapproval of television networks, ministries, or publishers who tolerate poor theology just to mollify a larger 'audience.'43

The Trinity is the primary truth of New Testament theology. In his book Oneness Pentecostals and The Trinity, former Oneness teacher Gregory A. Boyd convincingly argues that "the denial that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are eternally distinct 'persons' in the Godhead indirectly undermines the Christian view of God's character, God's revelation, and God's salvation by grace."44

Oneness believers beg to differ. As noted earlier, modalists, including T. D. Jakes, maintain the view of "one" God revealing Himself in three manifestations. This view has been known throughout history by several different names. One of them is modalistic monarchianism: "A movement which interpreted the Trinity as successive revelations of God — first as Father, then as Son, and finally as Holy Spirit. It began in the third century."45 Modalistic monarchianism emphasized the unqualified intrinsic oneness of God and the full deity of Christ.46

Denver Seminary's Dr. Gordon Lewis offered this response to T. D. Jakes's statement about God being Triune in His manifestation: "The revised statement on God revives Sabellian Modalism. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not merely three manifestations of one God in history, three different hats he wears."47

Whether it is called modalism, Sabellianism, Oneness, or "Jesus only," this view of the Trinity is heretical. As White observes, "Whatever its name might be, it is a denial of the Trinity based upon the denial of the distinction between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It accepts the truth that there is only one true God, and that the Father, Son, and Spirit are fully God, but it denies that the Bible differentiates between the persons."48

OTHER DOCTRINAL CONCERNS

While the biggest concern with Jakes's teaching is the modalistic language he uses in regard to the Trinity, several aspects of his message and ministry are problematic. In a Wall Street Journal article, which described Jakes as a country preacher with a multimillion-dollar religious empire, he was quoted as saying, "I am the power and the kingdom and the glory, and I think I kind of like it that way."49 Even if he spoke these words in jest, he mocks God, who will not share His glory with another (Isa. 42:8).

Jakes's teaching on sin leaves much to be desired. In a three-hour video broadcast on TBN of his July 1999 WTAL conference in Atlanta, he addressed the women's immediate emotional and social needs, but nothing was said on the issue of sin and the need for a Savior, nor on the atoning death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.50 In Loose That Man and Let Him Go! Jakes describes men who have extramarital affairs as doing what they do because they fear confronting unresolved issues with their spouses.51 He depicts men who carry weapons as living in fear that others will see the frightened little boy hiding behind the big gun.52 He characterizes men who beat their wives as little boys having a temper tantrum.53

Jesus goes straight to the heart when He describes adultery (Matt. 5:28) and evil thoughts, murder, fornication, stealing, lying, and blasphemy (Matt. 15:19) for what they are. Jakes teaches that we have problems because we are victims of our environment or circumstances and minimizes the concept of personal sin. Along with victimization, he emphasizes self-empowerment; we can find the power to pull ourselves out of our problems. Yet Paul taught that all have sinned and come up short before God (Rom. 3:23). The way out of our sins is Christ-empowerment, not self-empowerment (Phil. 4:13).

Prosperity teachings stand out more than other Word of Faith teachings in T. D. Jakes's ministry. Jakes is a very wealthy man and enjoys it. The 19 November 1998 People magazine describes his $1.7 million Dallas home, his blue BMW convertible, and his colorful expensive clothing.54 (He also drives a Mercedes.) He feels his financial success is a sign of growing economic empowerment for African-Americans. The Charleston Gazette published a story that focused on his $600,000, 16-room Charlotte mansion with its bowling alley and indoor swimming pool. The story didn't accuse him of any wrongdoing, but Jakes felt betrayed, saying that if he couldn't get better press coverage, he'd take his wealth elsewhere.55 This may be one reason Jakes moved from Charleston to Dallas.

It's not disturbing that Jakes is wealthy and has this lifestyle, but it's very disturbing that he portrays Jesus as being rich in order to justify his wealth. He describes Jesus as having been rich in order to support His disciples and their families during His ministry. Jakes says the myth of the poor Jesus has to be destroyed because it's holding people back.56 Indeed, Jesus Christ owns everything and possesses all power, authority, glory, honor, and majesty. In His earthly life, however, He became poor for our sakes (2 Cor. 8:9; Matt. 8:20). He laid aside His divine prerogatives and died on the cross, owning nothing, like a common criminal.57 In fact, archaeological excavations of Nazareth in the 1950s demonstrate that poor agricultural people occupied the village in Jesus' day.58

The ministry's doctrinal statement makes it clear that Jakes adheres not only to the doctrine of guaranteed wealth for the believer but also guaranteed health: "We believe that it is God's will to heal and deliver His people today as He did in the days of the first Apostles. It is by the stripes of Jesus that we are healed, delivered and made whole. We have authority over sickness, disease, demons, curses, and every circumstance in life."59 This belief is reflected in Woman Thou Art Loosed! "Jesus has promised to set you free from every curse of the past. If you have suffered abuse, please know that He will bring you complete healing."60 Biblically, however, our faith does not dictate God's will; God's sovereign will dictates our faith (1 John 5:13–14). Healing in the New Testament is not a guarantee, but a benefit of the Atonement. God sometimes answers our prayers with a yes and sometimes with a no. He always answers our prayers according to His will and for our best. Paul's thorn in the flesh was never removed, even after he asked God three times to remove it (2 Cor. 12:7–10).

In addition to teaching the unbiblical (1 Cor. 12:27–30) classical Pentecostal doctrine that the gift of tongues is the necessary sign of being baptized in the Holy Spirit,61 T. D. Jakes has been observed "slaying people in the Spirit" on a TBN program that was aired on 6 August 1998. Hank Hanegraaff, in his Counterfeit Revival, has written about being "slain in the Spirit": "Despite the pious attribution of this phenomenon to the Holy Spirit as well as the pragmatic addition of 'catchers,' multitudes continue to suffer spiritual, emotional and physical damage from this practice. Some have even died."62

THE NEXT BILLY GRAHAM?

Even well-discipled and discerning Christians find it challenging to differentiate between the truth and error found in Jakes's teachings — let alone the watching secular world. The New York Times published an article on 1 January 1999 regarding how America has always had a national evangelist. "Ever since the colonial era, America has had a pre- eminent preacher who played an unofficial role as national evangelist, preaching a simple message of repentance and salvation and drawing vast crowds in the process. For the last 50 years that role has been filled by the Rev. Billy Graham. But at the turn of the century with Mr. Graham now 80, the question arises, Who if anyone can take his place."63 It is sobering that of the five possible successors to Billy Graham listed, one of them is T. D. Jakes.

There is no denying that T. D. Jakes has many fine leadership qualities, and the social outreaches of his Potter's House church appear quite commendable. But, while sound doctrine is not the only criterion for leadership among Christians (1 Tim. 3:1–13), it is certainly a necessary criterion (Tit. 1:9–11). Do we really want a non-Trinitarian to be the spiritual leader of our country? If the answer to this question is anything but an unequivocal no, the future looks dark indeed for the American church.

-- Dr. Jerry L. Buckner has degrees from California Baptist College, Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary, and San Francisco Theological Seminary. He is a pastor, counselor, lecturer, and the host of the Contending for the Faith radio broadcast in the San Francisco Bay Area.

This article first appeared in the Volume 22 / Number 2 issue of the Christian Research Journal.

NOTES

1 David Tarrant, "T. D. Jakes - With a Message of Healing, He's Gaining a National Following," The Dallas Morning News, 24 January 1999.

2 Ibid.

3 T. D. Jakes Ministries, "A Bishop's Journey — From the Hills of West Virginia to the Streets of Dallas, Texas," 10 October 1999 (http://www.tdjakes.net/tdjakes/biography).

4 T. D. Jakes Minstries, "Who Is T. D. Jakes?" (http://www.tdjakes.net/tdjakes/index.html).

5 Ibid.

6 Lisa Miller, "Prophet Motives: Grammy Nomination, Book Deal, TV Spots — A Holy Empire Is Born," The Wall Street Journal, 21 August 1998.

7 "Who Is T. D. Jakes?"

8 Ibid.

9 "Church Services Enlighten Thousands," Las Vegas Review-Journal, 12 April 1998.

10 Miller.

11 Adele M. Banks, "Thus Speaks Jakes," The Kansas City Star, Faith sect., 6 September 1997.

12 Julia Duin, "Provocative Pentecostal," Insight, 14 September 1998, 41.

13 "Who Is T. D. Jakes?"

14 Miller.

15 Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love (Cleveland: William Collins and World, 1963), 101–2.

16 T. D. Jakes, Woman Thou Art Loosed! (Shippensburg, PA: Destiny Image, 1993), 133.

17 Duin.

18 Ibid.

19 Mary Rourke, "Preacher, Writer and Woman's Best Friend," Los Angeles Times, 20 August 1998.

20 T. D. Jakes, The Lady, Her Lover, and Her Lord (New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1998), 34.

21 Jakes, Woman Thou Art Loosed! 137.

22 "When the Bishop Speaks, People Listen," Charisma, November 1996, 39.

23 T. D. Jakes, Loose That Man and Let Him Go! (Tulsa: Albury Press, 1995), 42.

24 G. Richard Fisher, "Get Ready for T. D. Jakes: The Velcro Bishop with Another Gospel," The Quarterly Journal, April–June 1997, 9.

25 Ibid., 4, 7.

26 T. D. Jakes discussing Kenneth Copeland, Praise the Lord, TBN, 28 September 1998.

27 8 October 1998 e-mail from Calvin Milner, T. D. Jakes Ministries, to Bob Hunter of CRI.

28 Walter Martin, The Kingdom of the Cults, anniversary ed. (Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1997), 28.

29 T. D. Jakes Ministries, "Ministry Beliefs," 27 April 1998 (http://www.tdjakes.net/ministry/believe.html). In late 1997, CRI Coordinator of Research, Sam Wall, printed out from the T. D. Jakes Ministries Web site an undated doctrinal statement that states, "There is one God...eternally existing in three Persons..." (on file at CRI). A few months later Wall noticed that the statement was changed to "three Manifestations."

30 T. D. Jakes Ministries, "Doctrinal Statement for T. D. Jakes/Potter's House Ministries," 18 March 1999 (http://www.tdjakes.net/ministry/doctrine.html).

31 For background on modalism see Louis Berkhof, The History of Christian Doctrines (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1937).

32 Living by The Word, radio interview with T. D. Jakes, KKLA 99.5, Los Angeles, 23 and 30 August 1998.

33 David K. Bernard, The Oneness of God (Hazelwood, MO: Word Aflame Press, 1983), 142.

34 Living by the Word, radio interview.

35 T. D. Jakes, Anointing Fall on Me (Landham, MD: Pneuma Life, 1997), 7.

36 Bernard, 143.

37 Telephone conversation between CRI's Sam Wall and Pastor Lawrence Robinson, 29 April 1998. Charisma magazine in a sympathetic treatment of Oneness Pentecostals noted that Jakes has "Oneness roots." (J. Lee Grady, "The Other Pentecostals," Charisma, June 1997 [http://www.charisma.net/strang/cm/stories/cu197105.html].)

38 E-mail sent to Pastor Lawrence Robinson by CRI, 1 May 1998 and 12 May 1998.

39 Miller.

40 T. D. Jakes Ministries Web site, "Ministry Staff."

41 Christianity Today, 12 January 1998, 56, and The Quarterly Journal, Editorial, January–March 1999, 2.

42 Telephone conversation between CRI's Sam Wall and Elder Mike Pearson, 16 October 1998.

43 James R. White, "Loving the Trinity," Christian Research Journal 21, no. 4 (1999): 23.

44 Gregory A. Boyd, Oneness Pentecostals and the Trinity (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1992), 12.

45 Millard J. Erickson, Concise Dictionary of Christian Theology (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1986), 106.

46 See J. N. D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines (San Francisco: HarperSan Francisco, 1960), 119.

47 E-mail from Gordon Lewis posted on the Apologetics Resources list (AR-talk), 19 March 1999.

48 James R. White, The Forgotten Trinity (Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1998), 153.

49 Miller.

50 Woman Thou Art Loosed Conference, 29 July 1999, broadcast the same day on TBN.

51 Jakes, Loose That Man and Let Him Go! 123.

52 Ibid., 123–24.

53 Ibid., 124.

54 Pam Lambert and Michelle McCalope, "Soul Support," People, 9 November 1998.

55 Miller.

56 Kaylois Henry, "Bishop Jakes Is Ready, Are You?" The Dallas Observer Magazine, 20 June 1996, 31.

57 John MacArthur, The MacArthur Study Bible (Nashville: Word, 1997), 1776.

58 Jack Finnegan, The Archaeology of the New Testament (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1972), 27–33.

59 "Doctrinal Statement."

60 Jakes, Woman Thou Art Loosed! 52.

61 "Doctrinal Statement."

62 Hank Hanegraff, Counterfeit Revival (Dallas: Word, 1997), 16.

63 Gustav Niebuhr and Laurie Goodstein, "The Preachers: A Special Report — New Wave of Evangelists Vying for National Pulpit," The New York Times Archives, 1 January 1999 (http://archives.nytimes.com).

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Second Coming
A jet-settin', Scotch-sippin' Robert Tilton washes up in South Florida
and he still wants your money

by Sean Rowe, Dallas Observer


Sitting in Ross Perot's favorite booth at a fancy Dallas restaurant, Leigh Valentine eats half of her low-fat redfish and then explains her husband's "disguise kit." The kit contained several fake moustaches and a $1,200 custom-made wig. Robert Tilton, the Texas televangelist, carried it everywhere, and during their first year of marriage he wore disguises "50 percent of the time," Valentine says.

It's a tale she's told before, under oath in divorce court--the disguise kit, and the nights aboard a yacht in Fort Lauderdale or in various mansions where Tilton would throw her down stairs, slam her against walls, or hurl cordless telephones at her head; how Tilton would drink himself into blind rages and declare he was the Pope, or wake up in the night screaming that "rats were eating his brain."

Valentine, a former Miss Tallahassee, Florida, further explains why Tilton felt compelled to use disguises in 1995 but probably doesn't anymore, and why, despite having spent $6,000 on private detectives in Texas and Florida, she has no idea where her husband is right now.

"We would go to restaurants here in Dallas, and people would give us the finger," she says. "People would scream at us on the street. It was incredible. Bob hated Dallas, and the more he hated Dallas, the more he loved Florida. He said Fort Lauderdale was like his cloak of invisibility. Nobody would ever find him there. No one recognized him. He could wear shorts and Hawaiian shirts all day and do whatever he wanted."

Apropos of nothing, Valentine announces she's "doing a book and movie deal" (working title: The Dark Side of the Cross). Later, over coffee, she says she hopes any story resulting from tonight's interview will ignore her drunk-driving arrest last month, which occurred after she broadsided another motorist at a Dallas intersection.

It would be nice if she were described as 39 years of age instead of 41, she notes. "And call me Leigh Valentine, not Leigh Valentine Tilton," she says. "I don't know how I got myself into this mess. I mean, I'm the daughter of a surgeon. I wish I'd never heard the name Tilton."

Parting words: "Find Bob. I want photos of him. Him and whatever girlfriend he's with. He keeps telling the judge he's broke. He keeps pretending he's changed. Bob Tilton will never change, and he'll definitely never be broke."

If you want to find Robert Tilton these days, a good place to start looking is at a South Florida television studio. While members of Tilton's Dallas church may believe that Tilton has vanished from the face of the Earth or is busy doing God's work in some Third World backwater, he's in fact alive and well and living in South Florida, busily preparing his own resurrection.

Nearly five years have passed since the TV empire that Tilton ran from his Farmers Branch church collapsed under the weight of scandal. But, if you saw him on television during the late '80s or early '90s, you will not have forgotten Robert Tilton. Not the Howdy-Doody dimples, nor the frosted pompadour. Not the bizarre facial contortions, nor the antics. (Tilton once climbed atop his desk to wallow in a pile of viewers' prayer requests; he told his TV audience that he had undergone plastic surgery because ink from those same prayer requests had seeped into his bloodstream and created bags under his eyes.)

At his peak he purchased 5,000 hours of air time per month and appeared in all 235 U.S. television markets. His daily Success-N-Life show reached nearly every television set in North America. Tilton's mass-market ministry pulled in an estimated $80 million per year, and his church drew as many as 5,000 worshippers to Sunday service.

Tilton gleaned the donations by pitching a narrow, well-oiled version of the Pentecostal "prosperity gospel." In exchange for $1,000 "vows" from followers, Tilton promised to lobby God for miraculous improvements in their health and finances. According to one survey, he spent 68 percent of his air time asking for money. "If Jesus Christ were alive today and walking around, he wouldn't want his people driving Volkswagens and living in apartments," explained Tilton, who favored a Jaguar or Mercedes-Benz and lived a lavish private life in mansions in San Diego and Dallas.

Then came November 21, 1991. On that evening, ABC's PrimeTime Live aired the findings of a six-month investigation into the ministries of Tilton and two other local TV preachers, W.V. Grant and Larry Lea.

The segment on Tilton was by far the most damning. At its heart was the accusation that Tilton never saw the vast majority of prayer requests and personal correspondence sent to him by faithful viewers. On the air, Tilton promised to pray over each miracle-request. But on the ground, ABC said it found thousands of those requests and viewers' letters dumped in garbage bins in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Checks, money orders, and in some cases cash, food stamps, and even wedding rings sent by followers had been removed for deposit at a nearby bank.

Lawsuits from outraged followers quickly followed, along with further media exposes concerning dumped prayer requests. (Tilton claimed the trashed prayer requests were part of a plot against the church.) State Attorney General Dan Morales launched a fraud investigation of Tilton's ministry, and the FBI and U.S. Postal Service subpoenaed the church's records the day after the ABC broadcast

Eighteen months later, the screen went dark. By the time Tilton announced the cancellation of Success-N-Life, the show had lost as much as 85 percent of its audience. Contributions to the ministry had dropped from $7 million per month to $2 million, according to Tilton's attorney J.C. Joyce. "It is a matter of the media," Joyce said, addressing reporters. "You are responsible for what has happened to this church." Tilton himself referred to reporters as "devils."

These days the trip to Tilton's Word of Faith Family Church in Farmers Branch is an unsettling one. High up on the facade, the wind whistles through a broken pane of stained glass. Bob Wright, a caretaker pastor put in place by Tilton last spring, parks his white Jaguar a few yards from a disused satellite dish.

Inside this high-tech tabernacle, thick curtains seal off empty balconies that once held thousands. Tilton's appointee preaches to a combination of poor blacks and elderly whites that numbers about 130. The service is a desolate mix of hymns followed by Wright's wandering exhortations and, finally, a tepid dose of faith healing during which parishioners move to the front, receive the laying-on of hands, and slump to the carpet for a few moments.

There's a money-plea to wind things up, but no mention of the absentee landlord. A few months ago, according to one attendee, the congregation took up a collection for Tilton's lost scuba gear.

Lost in the chronicle of Tilton's battles with the media, the Texas state attorney general, and various civil plaintiffs is the fact that Tilton has all but won his holy war.

Last summer a $900,000 jury award against him was overturned on appeal. Eleven other lawsuits have been dismissed, dropped, or settled out of court. Fraud investigations of Tilton's ministry by state and federal authorities ultimately failed to produce any conviction. And Tilton is close to ridding himself of the second of two wives whose allegations of physical abuse and drunken debauchery made for colorful headlines but were never proven in court.

"After all the headlines and all the investigations and all the audits, they couldn't find one damn thing that this man or this ministry had done wrong," says attorney J.C. Joyce. "There never was any dirt on Robert Tilton. In the end it was all a pack of damn lies. But there hasn't been any story about that, has there?"

To judge the health of his mass-market ministry on the basis of church attendance in Dallas betrays a fundamental misapprehension of how his operation works. As recently as last summer, Tilton stated that church revenues totaled an astonishing $750,000 to $800,000 per month, court transcripts show--this at a time when Tilton had been off the air for nearly two years. Only a small portion of church revenues ($20,000 per month) come from leases on church-owned property, Tilton said.

Ole Anthony, the Trinity Foundation leader who assisted ABC in its investigation, claims the church in Farmers Branch is little more than a money-losing prop designed to repel IRS scrutiny of Tilton's tax-exempt status, a charge Tilton's lawyer denies. At any rate, 130 hardscrabble parishioners don't generate $750,000 to $850,000 per month. So where does the money come from?

The answer is Tilton's mailing list, which once contained 880,000 names and addresses. Just as national political campaigns depend on mailing lists of potential contributors, they are the crucial, invisible keys to American televangelism.

According to former Word of Faith church members, Tilton employed hundreds of minimum-wage "prayer warriors" to answer his toll-free hotline. When viewers called in, their names and addresses were entered in computer banks. The master list was then used to generate mailings to the faithful--and more pleas for money--over and over again.

"Do you need more money?" reads the question on an envelope received by a California resident a few months ago. A pair of pennies is visible through a cellophane window in the envelope.

Inside the envelope is a message from Tilton: "Take the miracle request prayer sheet that I have enclosed with the coins and carefully write down the areas of your life (especially financial) where you want me to release my anointing on your behalf... and then WRITE A CHECK FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE GIFT THAT YOU CAN GIVE!! Make it a widow's step-of-faith and give the devil a black eye by placing the biggest, largest, most generous gift (that would defy natural reason) into God's work."

Tilton includes instructions to pray over the coins and send them back with a check. "Your two token coins will be placed in my New Testament Treasury Chest for me to bless every day," he writes. "I will then send you an anointed miracle coin to use as your miracle reminder and as a point of contact to carry with you wherever you go."

The mailings are typically accompanied by testimonials from former sufferers of peptic ulcers, layoffs, cigarette addiction, deadly spider bites, rebellious children, infertility, insomnia, and AIDS. Their lives turned around after they sent money to Tilton. Take, for example, the miracle recipient identified only as "Robert":

"Everything was crumbling around me," Robert explains. "My two best friends had just sued me. My landlord had served me with an eviction notice. I was jobless and flat broke. I wouldn't answer the telephone because I knew it would be a bill collector.

"I was cowering in a chair with all my curtains closed. Heartbreaking love songs gushed from the stereo...I lit a joint.

"Robert Tilton was praying [on TV]. I can't explain it, but I heard him say, 'You. Right there. You're smoking a joint.' I dropped the joint and he said, 'You just dropped it.' I started crying. I KNEW IT WAS GOD TALKING TO ME."

The mailings invariably come with trinkets such as seeds or salt packets. A Dallas woman received a small strip of red polyester. "Right now this cloth is plain fabric," Tilton wrote, "but after I send it back to you it will be a Miracle Cloth saturated with the presence of God."

As Jim Moore, owner of an Oklahoma printing company that handles Tilton's outgoing mail, explained to a hidden news camera in 1991: "It's all about names and addresses."

The problem is that mailing lists grow stale when the TV screen stays dark too long. Now, though, it's bright once more. Tilton's toll-free prayer line is up and running, and his Tulsa, Oklahoma, post office box awaits a hoped-for onslaught from the faithful.

Every weekday between 11 a.m. and noon Eastern Standard Time, a fiberoptic telephone line carries the voice and image of Robert Tilton out of a small TV studio in Miami Beach. The signal runs under city streets and across Biscayne Bay until it reaches WPBT-Channel 2, a public television station in North Miami. A for-profit affiliate of the station called Comtel beams Tilton's brand-new Success-N-Life show up through the heavens to a satellite transponder.

Unless you own a satellite dish, you can't see Tilton's show in South Florida. Instead, you must move to Los Angeles, Nashville, Detroit, or Atlanta, where Success-N-Life began airing on various cable channels in April. Two months ago, Tilton moved into the New York market and now appears there twice daily.

The new Tilton seems a bit less frisky. Gone are the tirades against Satan and his minions. His hair is less flamboyant.

On the other hand, some of the recent Success-N-Life segments hint that Tilton may have broken into a South Florida wardrobe trailer and discovered a trunk of treasures left over from Miami Vice days--pastel pants, tropical sport-coats. ("He's trying to reach out," says lawyer J.C. Joyce. "Suits and ties don't reach out.")

The old studios in Dallas and San Diego were lugubrious dens lined with leather-bound books. The new set looks like a Sunday-school vision of ancient Palestine, complete with Styrofoam "stone" walls and a burbling fountain. Tilton sits beside the fountain to read samples of viewer prayer requests. Beyond the sound stage walls lie a towing company and a construction site. But inside, all is peace and tranquility.

What hasn't changed is Tilton's repetitious message. He quotes a bit of Scripture and speaks in tongues, but mostly he pushes emotional buttons: Cancer. Emphysema. Alcoholism. Credit card addiction. Job layoffs. These ailments can be cured through faith. But faith requires proof, a "vow." To make a vow, preferably $1,000, call the 800 number on the screen. (When a reporter called the hotline to seek solace regarding credit card addiction, a telemarketer took less than a minute recording his name, phone number, address, date of birth, and type of ailment, promising to pass on the information to Pastor Bob.)

"When it first came out in April, it was pretty much like a normal religious show," says a source involved in its production. "Then after five or 10 shows it started to change. [Tilton] pretty much stopped talking about Scriptures. It was just a sales pitch. As a Christian, I find it a little disturbing."

Intercut with Tilton's sermonizing are "testimonials" in the form of news reports about people who have received miracles after giving money to Tilton. One recent testimonial featured "Rex and Kay," a Dallas couple who lost everything when a Sunbelt construction boom went bust. Within days after sending their last $1,000 to Tilton, Rex got a new job, and the pair made plans to build a new suburban home.

The testimonial, according to its own tagline, was produced by Paul Pettite. Pettite was laid off by Tilton in the early '90s.

Ronald Wishna, who is listed on corporate records as the owner of the Miami Beach studio, declined to discuss Tilton. But another local entertainment industry source said Tilton and his associates paid cash up front for a two-year lease on the 50-by-50-foot soundstage. They invested another $30,000 to transform the building's interior.

"These guys are geared up for real, and they're here to stay," the source says. "They're a real piss to hang out with. They're just good ol' Texas boys. They like to smoke cigars and drink brandy and have a good time on South Beach. But they like to keep a real low profile. Tilton told me once, 'I just want to come here and be left alone.'"

If Tilton is ready for some R&R in the subtropics, it's understandable. Though he dropped off the national radar screen in 1993, the meltdown of his ministry continued.

* In late 1993, Tilton fired, then divorced, his co-pastor and wife of 25 years, Marte Phillips Tilton. For a time the split seemed amicable. Now Marte Tilton is suing her ex-husband and attorney Joyce for fraud, breach of contract, and negligent misrepresentation.

* In March 1994, according to news accounts, police responded to Word of Faith World Outreach Center to quell a disturbance caused by a walkout of congregation members. At issue was Tilton's relationship with leaders of a North Carolina charismatic sect that practices a form of shouted prayer known as "demon blasting." (Demon blasting involves sect members forming "prayer circles" around a child believed to be possessed by demons and shouting at the subject for hours at the top of their lungs.) In sermons, Tilton has credited sect leaders Sam and Jane Whaley with saving his life in 1993 by casting out his own demon. Tilton was introduced to the Whaleys by his second wife, Leigh Valentine, whom he secretly married in the Dominican Republic February 10, 1994.

* In September 1995, Tilton and Leigh Valentine moved into a new $1.6 million home in Addison. Two months later Tilton filed for divorce from Valentine, only to cancel the action. On March 11, 1996, he sued for divorce again.

* On March 16, 1996, after announcing his call to evangelical work in Cuba and the Philippines, Tilton named Chattanooga, Tennessee, preacher Bob Wright as senior associate pastor of the Dallas church. Then he vanished.

When Tilton finally decided to duck and run from Dallas, he did it right. Picking up his trail in South Florida is no small task. There is no telephone listing in his name, either published or unpublished; no property records in Dade, Broward, or Monroe counties; no car registration with the state Department of Motor Vehicles.

Corporate records show that Tilton registered his nonprofit Word of Faith World Outreach Center Church Inc. in Florida more than a decade ago, but the registration is inactive. There are a few titillating hints in the Broward County court files: a trio of traffic tickets handed out over the years (one for doing 93 in a 55 m.p.h. zone on Christmas Eve, another for "failure to use due care," and a third this April for driving without registration documents.) Computer research reveals 12 addresses used by Tilton in the last decade, three of them in Fort Lauderdale. But two of those are commercial mail drops, and the last, a $500,000 waterfront vacation home in the Rio Vista, Florida, neighborhood, was sold last year as part of Tilton's divorce settlement with his first wife; ditto for his 38-foot fishing boat.

Where's Bob?
"Not here," says a bartender at a fashionable Fort Lauderdale bistro. "He used to sit outside and drink single-malt Scotch, but we haven't seen him in a few months."

Federal records show that Tilton bought a 50-foot Carver motor yacht last year in Fort Lauderdale for $500,000. In July 1996, he told a judge in Dallas that he was living aboard and making $4,000 monthly payments on the boat, which he named the Liberty Leigh.

"I haven't seen him or the boat in over a year," says a resident of Bahia Mar Marina in Fort Lauderdale, where the yacht berthed for several months.

"Robert Tilton is an individual who resides in Broward County, Florida," says the preamble to Marte Tilton's current lawsuit against her ex-husband. The lawyer who wrote the preamble, James Clutts, says he doesn't know where in Broward County.

Tilton's trail warms up a few miles south. The directory in the lobby of an office tower on Michigan Avenue in Miami Beach lists "WOF, Int'l" -- shorthand for Tilton's Word of Faith ministry.

But Tilton doesn't enter or exit the building. Although there are plenty of Texas license plates outside the Miami Beach studio, Tilton's blue Chevy Tahoe Tilton is not attached to any of them.

A source who owes his paycheck to Tilton and will speak only on condition of anonymity finally reveals the secret with a giggle:

"He's on hiatus."

Cross examination of Leigh Valentine, September 4, 1996, court testimony:
"Bob's mail ministry is a lie and a total deception. He does not write those letters. He did not even proofread them during our marriage.

He makes it sound like [he's] writing to you right now, this is what God spoke to me for your life, Jesus will appear to you tonight; if you sleep with this little red cord under your pillow, you will prosper.

He doesn't even know what's going out to those people, and he doesn't care, as long as they send their money in.

One time he said in one of the letters that was sent, I will be taking these to the East Coast to pray for you by the ocean where Jesus prayed for his people. So we flew to Fort Lauderdale and we checked into a four- or five-star hotel on the beach and got a nice penthouse view...

That is stealing from people. Most of those people are on welfare. They're little Hispanics and blacks. And he even said, what I do is I look at a map and we go after the ghettoes, we go after those on welfare, we go after those that don't read, those that are lower socioeconomic backgrounds. That's who we send our letters to..."

Q. Have you now given me your full list?
A. No. That's a lot right there. Do you want more?
Q. Well, I wanted the lies that you were referring to in your prior testimony.

A. Just the lies about the trips, that they're ministry church trips, when they have nothing to do with God and ministry.

When we went to Israel, he said it was going to be a holy time, we'd get away with God, and all he did was drink the whole time I was with him and lay in bed. And one time he got so sick from the drinking, he was just in bed, we didn't get to see any of the sights.

We never went to Jordan. We never went--you know, when we did go to Caesarea, he drank most of the time, and wanted to go to a fashion show, and so that's what we did on the church's money.

On Friday, October 10, Robert Tilton checked out of the Hyatt in Jerusalem. Ten days later (and 18 hours after Leigh Valentine described his disguise kit in Dallas), Tilton arrived from Europe at Miami International Airport looking tanned and fit, rather younger than his 51 years.

The next day at noon, Tilton sat down to lunch with eight friends and associates a few blocks from the studio. Topics of conversation: the weather, the new show, and Leigh Valentine's recent DWI arrest. Tilton wore a pair of late-era-Elvis sunglasses, expensive gray slacks, and a white linen shirt with French cuffs.

The party had the look of a modern-day Last Supper, and two of Tilton's favorite apostles were there: J.C. Joyce, fresh from Tulsa, and Daniel Moroso, resplendent in a hundred-dollar haircut and electric-blue silk shirt, who sat across from Tilton.

Moroso, who worked briefly for evangelist Jim Bakker in the early '80s, has served Tilton for years as a confidant and best buddy and executive producer on Success-N-Life. He accompanied Tilton on the trip to Israel last month, just as he has followed him to India and South Africa in past years. In the fall of 1989, when Tilton briefly moved his operation to San Diego, Moroso went with him. The following year, Moroso returned with Tilton to Dallas. Moroso's first wife stayed behind in California and filed for divorce.

Moroso was arrested in 1993 while sitting in a parking lot with a Dallas prostitute and engaging in "oral deviate sexual intercourse." He later pleaded guilty to one count of public lewdness. In July of this year, the 41-year-old Moroso and his new wife bought a $295,000 house on Miami's San Marco Island, about a mile from the studio.

Joyce met Tilton around the same time Moroso did. In 1984 he helped Tilton with a tax audit and has since run virtually every aspect of Tilton's business operation. At the height of the ministry's success, Joyce's annual retainers from the church ran between $1.3 and $1.7 million, court records state.

Joyce's other evangelical clients include half a dozen of the nation's wealthiest preachers. They once included Billy James Hargis, a Tulsa evangelist and virulent anti-communist. Decades ago, Hargis became the first evangelist to tap into the fundraising potential of direct mail by purchasing contributor lists from Barry Goldwater and other conservative politicians. He passed on much of what he learned to up-and-coming attorney Joyce, who went on to represent evangelist Oral Roberts briefly in the late '70s before signing on with Tilton.

Another lesser-known client of Joyce's is the Rev. James Eugene Ewing. For years, from a stucco mansion in Bel Air, California, he has supplied Tilton and other big-name evangelists with computer-driven mass-mail campaigns filled with fractured grammar, homespun homilies, and twisted scriptural interpretations.

One of Ewing's letters, written for evangelist Rex Humbard, reportedly brought in as much as $64 per mailing. In 1968, Ewing, an eighth-grade dropout, doubled Oral Roberts' cash flow almost overnight with another mail campaign, sources say. Roberts rewarded him with an airplane, according to former Roberts aide Wayne Robinson.

Robinson says Ewing travels in a fleet of black Lincolns and Cadillacs with a crew of bodyguards dressed like Secret Service agents. Leigh Valentine claims she and Tilton visited Ewing on five occasions during their marriage and described Ewing's high-security mansion as "dark and spooky."

According to an October 1993 memorandum to Tilton's lawyer, Ewing's latest coup is a computer demographics program that identifies and isolates some of America's poorest sub-ZIP codes and then targets them for Ewing's garish, trinket-driven mailings. "The size of each special area is about two to four city blocks," the memo notes. "And thank God there are tens of thousands of them across the nation."

Joyce says Tilton stopped using Ewing's mailings when he went back on the air in April. "They filled the bill until Bob could get back up and started doing television. Their ministries are not a lot alike."

Joyce noted that he was in South Florida to help out on the design of a new letter campaign. "It's a collaborative effort," he explained, acknowledging that Tilton doesn't actually write the highly personalized letters himself.

Does Tilton pray over viewer prayer requests as he says on TV?
"Absolutely," Joyce contends. "Everything he says he does, he does."
Tilton, Moroso, and Ewing--communicating through Joyce--declined to be interviewed.

Ole Anthony, whose Dallas-based Trinity Foundation assisted PrimeTime Live with its 1991 expose, says he's not dismayed by Tilton's return to television.

"I don't think there's any way he can make it back into the big time," Anthony says. "He needs to go back on the air periodically to rejuvenate his mailing list, but I think he'll continue to be a minor player...There are too many questions out there about his practices."

Anthony, a former government spy, millionaire businessman, and candidate for the Texas Legislature, underwent a religious awakening in 1972. After a stint as a religious talk-show host, he founded a small community of believers in East Dallas who attempt to live like early Christian apostles. The group also monitors and investigates televangelists, sometimes with a vengeance. Virtually everything that is known about Robert Tilton's business operation and off-air lifestyle has come from documents and recordings gathered by Trinity Foundation members during their periodic undercover forays and trash sorties.

Are Trinity operatives gearing up for a duel in the sun, a special project in South Florida? "There's no question we will continue to monitor Mr. Tilton's activities," Anthony says, "as long as he continues to invite himself into people's living rooms and mailboxes."

The two other preachers who shared ABC's PrimeTime Live spotlight with Tilton six years ago have long since exited the airwaves, though W.V. Grant is back in the pulpit in Dallas after serving time for tax fraud.

As for Tilton, he was observed at the Miami Beach Marina one recent Friday night. At first, the self-described "apple of God's eye" sat alone with his thoughts and a plate of stone crabs. Then a well-wisher sidled up and engaged him in conversation. Finally Tilton paid his tab and departed, generously donating the remains of his stone crabs to his new admirer.

Outside he bore west across the MacArthur Causeway, then ducked into the Fisher Island Ferry terminal to avoid pursuit by a reporter.

According to a representative of Fort Lauderdale yacht broker Chic Marine, his boat was repossessed by the finance company earlier this year.

"He loved that boat," says a secretary, who wouldn't give her name. "But he let the bank take it back so the wife couldn't get it in the divorce."

"Your source is a damn liar," Joyce retorts. "Bob just couldn't pay the bills. He spent everything he had on that woman in 18 months and now he simply has no money left."

Joyce says Tilton's recent trip to Israel and Europe was an opportunity to line up locations for future live broadcasts. He promises his client will be back in Dallas to preach in November and December.

Surprisingly, Joyce says even he doesn't know where Tilton hangs his hat.
"I don't have the foggiest idea," he says. "But if I did, I wouldn't tell you. We were audited by the IRS. We were investigated by the FBI. We had 12 lawsuits filed against us. You tell me: How could anyone stand up under this? The depositions, the interviews, the allegations. This an honest minister that has all but been destroyed by the media. But he survived. He feels very comfortable wherever he's at down there in Florida. http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/1997-11-06/feature2.html/page1.html
Subject: STOPP's website. Support stopps efforts to expose The Girl Scouts' pro planned parenthood adjenda


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Parents of little girls read this website

Do not put your girls in Girl Scouts.

Girl Scouts have an anti Christian pro homo pro abort
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http://www.all.org/stopp/whatnew.htm
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April 13, 2004
Evil is wooing Girl Scouts

Group wants to know Girl Scouts, Planned Parenthood ties
FORT WORTH - Nearly 80 percent of the nation's Girl Scout councils will not say whether they have affiliations with Planned Parenthood, a pro-life group announced. A survey by American Life League's STOPP International stemmed from controversy in Waco. STOPP International said it asked 315 Girl Scout councils whether they had a relationship with Planned Parenthood, which provides various "education and health services," including abortions. Jim Sedlak, executive director of Stafford, Va.-based STOPP International, said his group is not at war with Girl Scouts but is trying to protect youngsters from the "evils" of Planned Parenthood. Officials with New York-based Girl Scouts did not immediately return calls seeking comment Monday.
Exposed: Girl Scout councils have
relationship with Planned Parenthood
American Life League's STOPP International, has recently completed its investigation of the Girl Scout Councils connections with Planned Parenthood. "We are astonished to find that of the councils that responded to our questions, 26% have relationships with Planned Parenthood," said Jim Sedlak, executive director of STOPP International, "but what is even more surprising is that 79% of Girl Scout councils have not disclosed their position on Planned Parenthood by failing to answer a simple question-Do you have any relationship with Planned Parenthood?"
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Abortion Protestors Rally at Busy Intersection
JONESBORO, AR -- A normally busy Jonesboro intersection had even more activity than usual. A group of abortion protestors set up at the intersection of of Caraway Road and Highland Drive during the noon lunch rush. Approximately one dozen protestors showed graphic signs and pictures relating to abortion, and also preached to passers-by with a bullhorn. According to group spokesman Bruce Murch, several of the protestors were from a Pocahontas-based church called 'The Little Children of Jesus Christ.'

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Student Awaits Abortion Pamphlet Ruling
Michelle Heinkel’s lawyer told a federal judge Monday the teenager must be allowed to distribute abortion pamphlets at Cypress Lake Middle School. “They still have First Amendment rights in the schoolhouse,” attorney Joel Oster of Orlando said. “Students have First Amendment rights.” Heinkel, 14, of Fort Myers wants to hand out pamphlets during non-class time Friday on a national “Day of Remembrance.” The school board wouldn’t allow it last year. So Heinkel is suing the school board and asking U.S. District Judge John E. Steele to declare the board’s policy unconstitutional. Steele listened to about 80 minutes of arguments but didn’t make a ruling.

Trial Against Abortion Clinic Begins
HOUSTON -- The trial of a controversial abortion case involving a minor began Monday in a Houston courtroom, News2Houston reported. Rev. Frederick Mosley's daughter was 17 years old when she had the abortion performed in 1999 -- the year a state law went into effect requiring abortion clinics to notify parents of a woman younger than 18 years old about her intentions to abort a child. Mosley said he is suing the doctor and the clinic that performed the abortion because no one notified him of his daughter's intentions to have the procedure performed.

Testimony continues in trial of
young woman suing abortion clinic
HOUSTON — A Houston jury may end up having a serious affect on the abortion debate when it decides whether a local doctor should be held accountable for checking patients' IDs. Cherise Hughes confessed to lying about her age to receive an abortion four years ago. She was seven weeks shy of her 18th birthday when she presented a fake ID and had the procedure.

Kevorkian Expects to Die in Prison
LAPEER, Mich. - Assisted suicide advocate Jack Kevorkian, behind bars for the videotaped lethal injection of a man in 1998, says he expects to die in prison, but has few regrets. In a telephone interview with The Daily Oakland Press of Pontiac published Sunday, the 75-year-old retired pathologist said he does not see his work as a failure.

Eric Rudolph Trial May Be Moved
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- The hearing on whether to move the trial of accused bomber Eric Rudolph out of Birmingham, Ala., will be held in Huntsville. The hearing is being held in Huntsville instead of Birmingham because it is assigned to U.S. District Judge Lynwood Smith, WAFF-TV, Huntsville, said. Smith has offices in both places and will be in Huntsville at the time of the hearing June 14-17.

Lawyers Don't Want Medical Expert To
Help Judge Decide Abortion Ban Challenge
LINCOLN, Neb. -- Lawyers for both sides rejected as unnecessary a judge's offer Friday to have a medical expert help him decide a challenge to the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf made the offer earlier in the day, saying he wanted to dispel any perception that he was partial to the anti-ban plaintiffs.

New Challenge to Abortion Rights Fails to Draw a Crowd
For the past two weeks, there have been plenty of empty seats in U.S. District Judge Phyllis Hamilton's San Francisco courtroom. There's been no need for spectator seating lotteries like those held for the Scott Peterson murder case in Redwood City. But what's happening in Hamilton's court is far more momentous than any celebrity trial. Hamilton is one of three judges in the country hearing testimony this month about the constitutionality of the first federal law to ban a specific abortion procedure since Roe vs. Wade. And maybe the only thing more disturbing than what's being said in the courtroom is that there are so few people there to hear it (because everybody knows it's a snow-job).
Subject: Once you are saved you are always saved.


Author:
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Date Posted: 09:52:42 02/23/04 Mon
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Once saved always saved is a clear teaching that is
found in the Bible. This teaching was not invented by
the Baptists, this teaching is older than the church.

Those who think they are saved now but could lose
their salvation later, have one of two problems: (1)
either they are trusting to some degree in their works
to save them, or (2) they do not understand that by
trusting Christ as their Saviour, their destiny is in
God's hands. Perhaps they have had little or no Bible
teaching and do not realize that God has determined
that all who believe will go to heaven when they die.
Or perhaps they follow false teachings about eternal
security because the admire a preacher who has been
mislead by the devil into belieiving the false view
that he can lose his salvation.

The first group, those who think leading a poor
Christian life will result in a loss of their
salvation, actually need to have the plan of salvation
made clear to them. Somewhere they have not fully
understood that Christ's death paid for ALL their sin,
that their works have NOTHING to do with their
salvation, and that only their FAITH IN CHRIST will
save them. You would answer their questions just as
you would almost any lost person's; it is a clear-cut
problem of "grace and works." You just stay with the
gospel until they see the light.

An illustration that has clarified the issue for many
with this problem deals with the definition of the
word "Saviour." What is a Saviour? Suppose you are
drowning. There you are out in the middle of the
ocean. Suppose someone were to throw you a book, Three
Easy Lessons on How to Swim. Would he be a Saviour?
No! Perhaps he could be called an "educator."

Now suppose a man got out of his boat, jumped in along
side you, and demonstrated various swimming strokes
showing you just how you ought to do it. Would he be a
Saviour? Of course not. He would merely be an
"example."

All right, what if he took you into his boat, dried
you off, fed you, took you ten miles from shore-and
then threw you out again into the ocean? Would he be a
Saviour? By all means, no! He would be as a
"deceiver," a "probation officer,'' one who starts a
heroic act and then quits right in the middle. He
certainly would not be a Saviour!

A Saviour is one who takes you safely all the way to
shore! When God says He gives you eternal life and
that He will never cast you out or lose you, He means
it because He is the true Saviour! If you do not trust
Christ to take you all the way to heaven, then you
have not trusted Him as your Saviour. Let's examine
Christ's own promise in John 6:37, "All that the
Father giveth Me shall come to Me; and him that cometh
to Me I will in no wise cast out." He says those who
come to Him will not be cast out for any reason.

To bring home this truth, use an illustration from
family life. What kind of a parent would you be if,
when your child was disobedient, you kicked him out
and said, "Go to hell, I'm through with you!" Rather,
the proper parent says, "Come on in!" and the parent
has ways and means to deal with the disobedient child.


God never casts out His children! God has other ways
and means to deal with them, which we will discuss in
Chapter Three.

Some would say, "All right, God won't cast me out, but
I could get out of my own will and choice." The Lord
anticipated such doubts and answers them clearly in
John 6:39, "And this is the Father's will which hath
sent Me, that of all which he hath given Me I should
lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last
day." It is God's will that no saved person would ever
become lost. He says He will "lose nothing,'' and you
are at least something! You could never be saved and
lost again. God saves you forever. This is HIS will!

In witnessing you should use only as many verses as
are necessary for the person to see the truth. (Too
many verses will confuse the person.) On this point of
not losing salvation, you will usually find that John
6:37 and 6:39 are sufficient. They are certainly
clear. At times you might sense that certain cases
require additional verses, and the Scriptures abound
with clear teaching. Study the passages thoroughly so
you will know which verses will best answer the need
of the person. I Peter 1:4, 5, "To an inheritance
incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not
away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the
power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be
revealed in the last time." Notice who is keeping our
salvation . . . God Himself, by His own almighty
power! And He is reserving place in heaven for us.

I Cor. 6:19, "What? Know ye not that your body is the
temple of the Holy Ghost, which is in you, which ye
have of God . . .

Note:
Some preachers teach a false doctrine which says that
after you get saved you can receive a second baptism
of the Holy Spirit. This is untrue and the words
second baptism of the Holy Spirit does not even apear
in the Bible.
Every Believer has and is sealed with the holy Spirit
and has the 100 % ability to be yielded , guided and
directed by the Holy Spirit , they do not need the
unbiblical teaching of a second baptism of the Holy
Spirit to be Holy Spirit filled.

" The Holy Spirit lives inside of every believer. John
14:16, 17 says, "And I will pray the Father, and He
shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide
with you forever; even the Spirit of truth . . . for
He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." The Holy
Spirit is in believers forever. If a saved person
could go to hell, the Holy Spirit would have to go to
hell, too.

Eph. 1:13, 14, "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye
heard the Word of truth, the gospel of your salvation:
in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed
with that Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest
of our inheritance until the redemption of the
purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory."
The Holy Spirit indwells every believer from the
moment he trusts Christ as his Saviour for evermore.
One important reason for this is to keep us saved and
protected until we receive our glorified body. The
term "earnest of our inheritance" is like when we make
a "down payment on a house." It is a guarantee that
the rest is coming later-now we have the new
birth-later we will have our new body.

I Cor. 12:27, "Now ye are the body of Christ, and
members in particular." The moment you are saved, you
become a member of the body of Christ. If you could
ever become unsaved, part of Christ's own body would
go to hell.

John 10:28, "And I give unto them eternal life; and
they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck
them out of My hand." Notice again that Christ gives
eternal life, and they who receive this eternal life
shall never perish! When you look up the word "never"
which occurs in John 10:28 in Strong's Concordance,
you find that it comes from five different Greek words
which are spelled in English: OU, ME, EIS, HO, and
AION. The words OU and ME form a double negative
meaning "Not at all, by no means, in no case, never."
This double negative was used to state denials or
prohibitions emphatically (Dana and Mantey, A Manual
Grammar of the Greek New Testament, p. 266). The
remaining three words combine to form an idiomatic
expression meaning "forever" (The Englishman's Greek
New 'Testament, p. 276).

When you put all of these meanings together, you find
that when Christ says "never" here in this verse it
carries with it very powerful assurance-much more than
one word "never" ordinarily carries with it in our
minds. If we were to take this most emphatic way of
saying "never" in the Greek and try to bring it across
into the English, John 10:28 would read something like
this: "And I give unto them eternal life and they
shall not at all, by any means, male or female, in any
case, forever perish."

Christians are sanctified through the death of Christ
(Heb. 10:10), and Hebrews 10:14 tells us, "For by one
offering He hath perfected forever them that are
sanctified." Believers are sanctified, and Christ
gives them the perfection they need to go to heaven.
The word "sanctified" means to be made "holy, pure and
blameless" (Strong's Concordance, Greek #37). God
would never send a believer to hell . . . He has made
the believer holy and blameless and has given him a
perfection which will last FOREVER.

John 5:24, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me,
hath everlasting life, and shall not come into
condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Christ says those who have everlasting life (they
already have it) shall not be condemned (promise for
the future). Since God promises believers will not be
condemned, why not take Him at His Word and realize
they will not be condemned? Believers cannot go to
hell: They have already "PASSED from death unto life"!


Philippians 3:9, "And be found in Him, not having mine
own righteousness which is of the law, but that which
is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness
which is of God by faith." Christ's own righteousness
is given to believers. Who would dare say Christ's
righteousness isn't good enough for heaven?!?

Colossians 2:13 and Acts 13:39 say the believer is
already justified and forgiven of all sins. So what
sin could send you to hell? In fact, when Christ died
on the cross for our sins, ALL our sins were future.
Romans 8:28-39 teaches nothing can separate believers
from God. HE justified us; nobody could charge a
single thing against us! What a Saviour we have!

I John 5:10~13 is as clear a passage as could be
written. Christ's death on the cross does not do
anything for you unless it gives you everlasting life.
If you have Christ as your Saviour, you have this
life. Anyone who doubts that God gives eternal life is
calling God a liar. Don't you think it would be very
unwise to call God a liar? Personally, I wouldn't want
to be in that category.

There is an illustration which you might find will
interest people along this subject. One evening a man
was having trouble with doubts about his salvation.
His wife came into the bedroom and found her husband
running his Bible back and forth under the bed, and
she asked him what in the world he was doing. He said
he knew Satan was in the darkest places, so he was
showing Satan I John 5:13! (And this is a good idea
when you have a doubt. Just claim the promise from the
Word of God, and Satan will have no ground to give you
doubts any more. The Word of God silences Satan.)

Since God tells me I can know I have eternal life, I
say, "Thank you!" and I know I have eternal life. I am
taking God at His Word. God said it . . . I believe it
. . . that settles it! I base my whole eternity on the
fact that God cannot lie and His Word cannot fail.

"God is not a man, that He should lie . . . hath He
said, and shall He not do it? Or hath He spoken, and
shall He not make it good?" (Numbers 23:19)



You will discover that when a person really
understands the plan of salvation, he rarely will have
a problem with "eternal security." It has been our
experience that the most effective way to deal with
those who still doubt their eternal life, after they
seemingly understand the gospel, is to go over one or
two verses, perhaps John 6:37 and 39, and lovingly and
firmly keep going over them until the person really
believes what God is saying.
Subject: What the BIBLE says about homosexuality, not man's opinions


Author:
TTOTLEM
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Date Posted: 11:52:46 02/19/04 Thu
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1. The Law of God Speaks Against it:
Leviticus 18:22, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Deuteronomy 23:17, "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel."

2. Biblical History Speaks Against it:
Genesis 19:4-12, "But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:" Genesis 19:23-28, "The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt. And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD: And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace."

1 Kings 14:24, "And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel."

1 Kings 15:11-12, "And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made."

1 Kings 22:41-46, "And Jehoshaphat the son of Asa began to reign over Judah in the fourth year of Ahab king of Israel. Jehoshaphat was thirty and five years old when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and five years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Azubah the daughter of Shilhi. And he walked in all the ways of Asa his father; he turned not aside from it, doing that which was right in the eyes of the LORD: nevertheless the high places were not taken away; for the people offered and burnt incense yet in the high places. And Jehoshaphat made peace with the king of Israel. Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, and his might that he shewed, and how he warred, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah? And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land."

2 Kings 23:7, "And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove."

3. The Prophets of the Old Testament Speak Against it:
Isaiah 1:9, "Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah."

Isaiah 3:9, "The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves."

Isaiah 13:19, "And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah."

Lamentations 4:6, "For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her."

Ezekiel 16:49, "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

4. The New Testament Speaks Against it:

Romans 1:26-32, "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

1 Corinthians 6:9-11, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

1 Timothy 1:9-10, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

2 Peter 2:6, "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;"

Jude 7, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Subject: Florida Bible College: A New Vision


Author:
TTOTLEM
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Date Posted: 09:53:27 02/18/04 Wed
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This is what I believe is the vision for a new FBC: ___________________________________________________________
"A new school, with a new name, in a new location , with new leadership" ___________________________________________________________

An Evangelistic school that teaches the crystal clear gospel message like the old F.B.C.taught it.

A school with a strong statement of faith like the old F.B.C.had.

A School with a strong biblical foundation. One that faithfully teaches the word of God like the old F.B.C. did.

A school with integrity.A School. that can be TRUSTED. A school without debts.

A school that trains and equips "Saints" to go out and do the work of the ministry. A school that is practical.

A school that learns from our past mistakes.

A school that is not legalistic but still has high standards.

A school that believes God for great things.

A school that will not give up.We must as a family move forward, be a people of vision and great faith.

A school that stays morally pure and clean.

A MISSIONS minded school. A school that trains supports and sends missionaries, a school that has forgien and home missions, music teams, youth teams, etc.

A School that builds strong youth ministries(updated Youth Ranches)

A school that seeks first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness.



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Dr. Michael E. Schmidt 423-507-9970 The Trumpet of the Lord 308 Lafayette St Athens Tn 37303 www.trumpetofthelord.com


01/13/04 03:42 PM | | Make it plain, part 1
trumpetofthelord
Member
23 Posts
Athens
1991
Psalm 46:10
BELOW IS Part 1 of THE PLAIN TRUTH ABOUT OUR NEW F.B.C.
For many of you it will not be easy to read, but this IS our future and this is God's message for our F.B.C. Family so I am going to spell it out and leave it here for you. I would like to thank so many of you for all of your many kind E-Mail's supporting my messages here and efforts our to rekindle our Flames, and to those doubters who read this, I do not wish to hurt and feelings so if you are a doubter and or a spectator please stay out of the way because the "Parade" is coming thru. A parade has leaders, participants and spectators. When I marched in parades I played the trumpet. I most of the time (When I was not the director) was a participant. The Trumpet is God's instrument of praise that He uses to announce his presence. May the Trumpets blow, and may we light our torch because once again our Florida Bible College Family is going to continue to reach out to children and youth with Kids Bible Clubhouses and Youth Ministries(Updated Ranches), Teach the Bible, Teach the CLEAR gospel message of salvation, send our Missionarise and music teams and traveling evangelists, and equip men and women to serve in the ministry.

This NEW VISION for our NEW school is a vision for doers of the word, not doubters of the word or hearers of the word only. The OLD F.B.C. was an Institution, and that institution was closed not by me, not by the doers who have re-lit our flames, but by a bunch of negitive doubters and I am not going to focus on a bunch or quiters because winners never quit. We no longer need to let doubters run our school or even have any control of our new F.B.C. Family. Our F.B.C. family must not be a doubting people who follow Satan and live in doubt who only "hope" that one day a new F.B.C. will open. For those of us who just want to sit back and watch what happens to the new F.B.C., WE DO NOT NEED YOUR DOUBT, YOU ARE ONLY SPECTATORS, and WE NEED DOERS, NOT DOUBTERS. Anyone can watch a parade.

1.The NEW F.B.C. is an ORGANISM, not an organization. Is the old F.B.C. Organization dead? Yes, but don't be sad anymore because now we as a people of God remain because we are an Organism full of LIFE and we will move forward. The new F.B.C. already exists, so stop praying for it to start and start believing God and thank Him for the new F.B.C. We, the "NEW" F.B.C. are a living body of believers, not bound by board meetings and bi-laws. We have distinct members whose relations, powers and properties are determined by their function in our body as a whole. We each are only one, but for good or for bad, together we are a very important part of the body of Christ.

2.We ARE going to be different. We will be more diverse. We will use new, different styles of worship. We will de-emphesise our favorate school styles (Like "Youth Ranch")and we will emphesise what is most important to us, the things such as childrens ministry, youth ministry, bible teaching, a clear gospel, parish training and missions.

If Youth Ranch will no longer reach kids for Christ we will ask "What does?". We will not act like the world to reach the world, but still ask "What do the kids of today like that we can offer that might interest them in coming to our activities?" If the kids today think singing "Oh sinner man" is stupid, sing an Audio Adreneline song instead, etc.. If kids liked surfing in 1954 and they still like surfing today, take them on a surfing trip. The # 1 tool to reaching kids is Love, let them see God's love in you and they will come back to your youth activities. Share the gospel with them, give them a chance, an another, an another.

To be cont....



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Dr. Michael E. Schmidt 423-507-9970 The Trumpet of the Lord 308 Lafayette St Athens Tn 37303 www.trumpetofthelord.com


01/13/04 04:58 PM | | Make it plain cont...
trumpetofthelord
Member
23 Posts
Athens
1991
Psalm 46:10
cont...
our demographics will change. When FBC was started it's students were mostly white middle class. The new FBC will be very different. Perhaps the NEW F.B.C. will reach out to many peoples groups and will perhaps have some classes that are taught in Spanish or Korean, etc..

The Old F.B.C. taught learning a set of ojectives that were taught mostly to/for young adults. The NEW F.B.C. will place an emphesis on lifelong learning, external learning, outcome based disipleship instead of curriculum based learning. Practical church /ministry learning will be more important than deep theological studies(such 20th cent.Theology), in other words, relevant classes will be taught with practical local applications (modern worship styles, senior adult ministry etc.) Mentoring relationships will be just as important or even more important than lecturing, tests, books and pappers.

Seminars, retreats, trips (missions) will all offer chances for the student to learn and earn credits an an enjoyable and practical enviornment.

Parish education will become more pragmatic, asking: Can the graduate do the job? Practice over scholarship, parish practice over book learning(Not can the student pass a written test on baptizo, but can the student get into a baptism pool and demonstrate that know how baptize a person. Can they get in front of the class and demonstrate thru practice that they know how to perform a wedding ?)

3. The NEW F.B.C. is an ORGANISM that NETWORKS

We have a strong NETWORK of Alumni, and former faculty and students.

Organizations are cumbersome because their bureaucracies are slow, expensive, legalistic, unresponsive. Organizations often do what is best for themselves, not the students.

Our new Organism will be a NETWORK OF LOOSE CONNECTIONS OF PEOPLE OF LIKE FAITH AND CONVICTIONS THAT IS FLEXIBLE YET HAS A COMMON DENOMINATOR, which is our desire to serve Gos thru our childerns and youth ministry, teachings of soteriology(salvation)Bibliology, parish training, missions work and music and evangelistic teams. 4. NEW F.B.C. Evangelistic Efforts

Old Modlel: Confrontational,widespread,share and go , win people with fear - hell- fire and brimstone, convert the candidate

New model: Win a hearing , then share the gospel, personal evangelism is personal- one on one, share then disciple, win people over by displaying God's love, value the candidate

5. NEW kinds of classes offered. The new FBC will offer small groups, informal settings in many locations including retreats at nice settings , mission fields and other places where you learn as you earn your degree or certificates in various settings.

Special classes could be offered for the elderly.

Classes offered on how to get the congregation to participate in worship.

Special classes offerd to help bring in lost students(instead of the old FBC idea that to be in a class you must be saved).

Classes offered at flexible times, credir given for part of classwork being done before or outside of class.

Classes offered ONLINE.

Classes offered on DVD.

Classes/intensives/modulars/weekend classes offered regionaly at various locations across the world/country.

Classes focus on ways to serve the church while learning.(Internships for credit)

NEW FBC offers classes at many churches and owns little if any property.

NEW FBC has strong volunteer program (Some classes perhaps taught by volunteers, etc.)

Every student an teacher is a part of a small 3-5 student accountability/prayer group.

NEW FBC is involved in communities.

Intensives/Bible studies offered on contemporary Issues(Healings, Lordship Salvation , etc).



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Dr. Michael E. Schmidt 423-507-9970 The Trumpet of the Lord 308 Lafayette St Athens Tn 37303 www.trumpetofthelord.com


02/12/04 12:10 PM | | God's vision for a new F.B.C.
trumpetofthelord
Member
23 Posts
Athens
1991
Psalm 46:10
This is God's vision for a new F.B.C.
I can not do it alone, and it will not happen without both the Lord's help and with your help.

I believe that we have been given this vision from God.

This is also our vision for a new F.B.C.

I am not taking any credit for it.

I am just writing the vision for you and making it as plain as I know how to.

After much prayer I believe 100% that this vision for a new F.B.C. is from the Lord.

I welcome your comments.

God bless you.

Mikey



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Dr. Michael E. Schmidt 423-507-9970 The Trumpet of the Lord 308 Lafayette St Athens Tn 37303 www.trumpetofthelord.com
Subject: Michael's new program features the "highest notes to ever be played on a trumpet"


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TOTLEM
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Date Posted: 14:57:32 05/26/03 Mon
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WOW!!!

"Michael Schmidt's new concert program features the highest notes that have ever been played on a trumpet" says Trumpet of the Lord spokesman Robert Towns, "All I can say about Michael's bizzare unconventional trumpet playing that has the whole trumpet world in an uproar in my humble opinion as a trumpet player is that after hearing Michael play notes higher than I have ever heard before or ever even attempted before for that matter by any other trumpet player,is that Michael is not afraid to bring the trumpet into an extreme range where it has never been before."

This will be the first time that Michael has ever performed in public his new dynamic range 12 minute long worship song called "Holy is the Lord".

Robert Towns continues to say:
"With Michael's new song {Holy is the Lord} you will see Michael perform with a new, exciting and refreshing level of worship like he has never done before. Michael worships and gives praise to the Lord Jesus Christ with seven different horns all in the same song. Highlights of {Holy is the Lord} include a special section where Michael plays a small bore piccolo trumpet. Michael also shows his talents to play many different brass instruments as he plays a baritone horn for the first time. For those of you who have been waiting to hear Michael play some of the highest notes that have ever been played before on a trumpet , now is a chance to hear Michael play in the extreme trumpet range."

To schedule Michael to minister to your church or civic event call: 423-507-9970. Schedule popular Evangelist , Bible teacher and preacher Dr. Michael E. Schmidt for your next event and give your people a chance to hear the trumpet player famous around the world for playing the highest notes that have ever been played before on a trumpet.
Subject: Please help the Trumpet of the Lord minister to a high school trumpet player.


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Date Posted: 13:32:22 04/21/03 Mon
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The Trumpet of the Lord knows of a need that we would like for you folks to help us meet.The Trumpet of the Lord is asking for someone to send to us a new or in very good used condition silver Getzen Eterna 900 Bb trumpet to be given to a junior in high school who is a Christian trumpet player. He is first chair, first trumpet in a very well respected award winning high school band.He is the son of a full time minister and he is currenty playing on an old used warn out beginners level trumpet.

If you would like to meet this need , please either send to us this horn , or a gift of $1067.00 DESIGNATING that it be used only for this students need to:
The Trumpet of the Lord Evangelistic Association
308 Lafayette Street
Athens, TN 37303

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Subject: Olga Korbut News Story February 10, 2002


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Michael
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Date Posted: 14:50:31 02/13/03 Thu
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Below is a newspaper story about Olga Korbt .It ran on the front page of the Gwinnett Daily Post on February 10,2002.
During this time I was interviewed by Beth Warren of the Atlanta Journal ( Who also ran a front page story that I was quoted in) 60 minutes 2 , People Magazine and by many other reporters.This story and ones similar to it ran in many other newspapers across the country and was even mentioned twice in Sports Illustrated.
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GYMNAST'S COLLEAGUE CALLS FOR SUPPORT.
By Jackie Watson
Staff correspondent.

Amid allegations of shoplifting (Charges later were not prosecuted)and an investigation by the Secret Service for counterfeit money found at her former residence (Olga was never charged for counterfeiting), former Olympic gymnast Olga Korbut is holding up as well as she posibly can be a friend of the family said"This is bone crushing hard for her"said Chaplain Michael E. Schmidt of the Trumpet of the Lord Ministries in Dacula.Schmidt, a close friend of Korbut and her husband (Alex Voinich) has launched a campaign to rally support for the four time Olympic gold medal winner.He is calling on people that believe in her innocence to send $19.35 to the Belarus-American Child Health Foundation , a foundation Korbut established to help the children of chernobyl.The amount of the contribution requested is the amount that Korbut allegedly shoplifted from a Publix store in Norcross.By asking supporters to send this amount Schmidt hopes to drive the point home."Why would Olga risk her career for $19.35?"said Schmidt, who has known Korbut and her husband for over two years."Olga Korbut has no financial reason to shoplift.She is not struggling financially."
Schmidt hopes to raise $100,000.00 for the foundation through this effort, and has a lot to say what he vehamently disagrees that she could posibally be involved in counterfeiting money."I know for a fact that Olga is involved in this and I know who is (Note:That was a mis-quote, what I said to the reporter was that "I THINK I know who is" {Richard Bortkovich, son of Russian rock star Leonid Borkovich and Olga Korbut was later charged and convicted for counterfeiting in this case).Schmidt said , regarding the investigation of counterfeiting money."In the next couple of days , the attention will turn from Olga to someone else- not Olga or Alex.The investigation started when police found more than $30,000.00 in computer generated fake $100.00 bills inside Korbut's FORMER home in Duluth when they were serving an eviction notice.Korbut had previously lived in the home with Leonid Bortkovich and their son Richard.her ex husband and their son continued living in the house after the couple divorced and Korbut moved out.Because Korbut is a past owner of the house , she is part of the investigation "But that is the only link (as past owner of the house) at this time " said Secret service Agent Bill Creel in the Atlanta office.Schmidt finds it unfair that the Secret Service is investigation Korbut in connection to the counterfeit money, specifically since she has not lived in the Duluth home for more than 18 months ( some said 2 years).According to Schmidt Korbut signed the property over to her first husband when they divorced.Korbut and her husband Alex live in Norcross(They now live in Scottsdale Arizona).Describing Korbut as a caring and private person who loves to cook and has a passion for horses, Schmidt laminates that she has not been able to tell her side of the story."Her lawyers told her not to talk"he said.
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Though Korbut has yet to issue a statement on the trials , Schmidt thinks that Korbut could pleasd nolo contendre or have the case thrown out (Note: the shoplifting case was later dropped).
Olga and alex are not fellons ,"Schmidt said."they're not breaking the law."...
Subject: Schedule the Trumpet of the Lord


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trumpetofthelord
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Date Posted: 12:42:21 01/17/03 Fri
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The Trumpet of the Lord would love to minister at your next event with soul stiring evangelistic messages and solo instrumental trumpet-southern gospel music.
The Trumpet of the Lord ministers to churches for love offerings plus travel expences.
Please view our website located at:
www.trumpetofthelord.com for details
Or call:
423-507-9970
Subject: Volunteers needed


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trumpetofthelord.com
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Date Posted: 12:56:37 01/17/03 Fri
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The Trumpet of the Lord needs volunteers to help in our ministry to reach the lost, encourage believers, and to worship Jesus.

Volunteers particularly are needed in the Athens TN area , and the Atlanta, Ga area.

If interested please e-mail
trumpetofthelord@yahoo.com
Subject: Trumpet of the Lord receives 501(c)(3) status


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trumpetofthelord
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Date Posted: 12:50:22 01/17/03 Fri
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All donations to The Trumpet of the Lord are tax deductible.
The Trumpet of the Lord Ministry has received a 501(c)(3) not for profit exempt status effective 3-10-02 with an IRS approval date on December 24, 2002.The Trumpet of the Lord is a not for profit parachurch organization as receiving a substantial part of its support in the form of contributions from publically supported organizations and from the general public.The Trumpet of the Lord is a 501(c)(3)organization under sections 509(a)(1)and 170 (b)(1)(a)(iv)of the Internal revenue Code.
Subject: Tennessee Home School Sports Bill Info


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TTOTLEM
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Date Posted: 09:15:48 04/13/05 Wed
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Go here:

http://www.tnhomeed.com/
Exod. 19:19 and the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder. Then Moses spoke and the voice of God answered him. Lev. 25:9 ...sound the trumpet throughout your land. Josh. 6:16 The seventh time around, when the priests sounded the trumpet blast, Joshua commanded the people, "Shout! For the LORD has given you the city! Josh. 6:20 When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so every man charged straight in, and they took the city. Neh. 4:20 Wherever you hear the sound of the trumpet, join us there. Our God will fight for us!" Ps. 150:3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and lyre, Isa. 58:1 "Shout it aloud, do not hold back. Raise your voice like a trumpet. Jer. 4:5 "Announce in Judah and proclaim in Jerusalem and say: Sound the trumpet throughout the land!' Cry aloud and say: Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities!' Jer. 4:19 Oh, my anguish, my anguish! I writhe in pain. Oh, the agony of my heart! My heart pounds within me, I cannot keep silent. For I have heard the sound of the trumpet; I have heard the battle cry. Jer. 6:17 I appointed watchmen over you and said, Listen to the sound of the trumpet!' Jer. 51:27 "Lift up a banner in the land! Blow the trumpet among the nations! Ezek. 33:3 and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows the trumpet to warn the people, Ezek. 33:5 Since he heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning, his blood will be on his own head. If he had taken warning, he would have saved himself. Ezek. 33:6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood.' Hosea 5:8 "Sound the trumpet in Gibeah, the horn in Ramah. Raise the battle cry in Beth Aven ; lead on, O Benjamin. Hosea 8:1 "Put the trumpet to your lips! An eagle is over the house of the LORD because the people have broken my covenant and rebelled against my law. Joel 2:1 Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming. It is close at hand - Joel 2:15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, declare a holy fast, call a sacred assembly. Amos 3:6 When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble? When disaster comes to a city, has not the LORD caused it? Zeph. 1:16 a day of trumpet and battle cry against the fortified cities and against the corner towers. Zech. 9:14 Then the LORD will appear over them; his arrow will flash like lightning. The Sovereign LORD will sound the trumpet; he will march in the storms of the south, Matt. 24:31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. 1Cor. 14:8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 1Cor. 15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 1Thes. 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Hebr. 12:19 to a trumpet blast or to such a voice speaking words that those who heard it begged that no further word be spoken to them, Rev. 1:10 On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this." Rev. 8:7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. Rev. 8:8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, Rev. 8:10 The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water Rev. 8:12 The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night. Rev. 8:13 As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: "Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!" Rev. 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. Rev. 9:13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the horns of the golden altar that is before God. Rev. 9:14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." Rev. 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets." Rev. 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will return" Book Michael Schmidt to bless your church with the Lord's Horns today! Dynamic evangelistic preaching, Bible teaching and trumpet playing concert ministry 268 CR 249 Athens, TN 37303 423-507-9970 Worshiping Jesus with the "Lord's Horns" Call to reserve your date today All text and images on this message board and the Trumpet of the Lord Official Website are copyrighted 2007.
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