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Date Posted: 13:12:46 01/26/07 Fri
Author: Clark Fisher
Subject: Re: stony sewage
In reply to: NewMember 's message, "Re: stony sewage" on 20:36:07 01/25/07 Thu

The Daily American article states that a large public forum is going to be scheduled "as early as Jan 29." Please post the date on here if anyone finds out when it is.

Thanks.


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>>This is the first I heard of a proposed new landfill
>>across the river from the existing one. Does anyone
>>have factual information on it?
>>
>>
>>>We are all intelligent enough to believe what we want
>>>and make our own decisions.......hopefully based on
>>>fact and not conjecture (a little more research may
>be
>>>in order to find out what really stopped the acid
>rock
>>>dumping in Indiana County).
>>>
>>>
>>>>If I put trash out on my curb and it ends up in my
>>>>backyard that is one thing. When Bruce Springsteen
>>and
>>>>Rudolf Guiliani put trash out on their curb and it
>>>>ends up in my backyard, that is a completely
>>different
>>>>matter.
>>>>
>>>>Remember the acid rock controversy in Indiana county
>>>>last year? That was stopped dead in its tracks. Not
>>by
>>>>cooperation, or by "having a voice at the table",
>>that
>>>>was stopped by a bunch of angry locals just saying
>>>>"NO!".
>>>>
>>>>Look at Paint Creek, Shade Creek, Blacklick Creek,
>>the
>>>>Little Conemaugh...that smelly orange water isn't
>the
>>>>result of protests and opposition. That is the
>result
>>>>of cooperation.
>>>>
>>>>What more can be lost? As it stands they are set to
>>>>bury yet another 5 million tons of solid waste along
>>>>the banks of the region's best whitewater river.
>What
>>>>worse fate is there?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That is certainly one way to look at it. But, try
>>to
>>>>>read this with an open mind...Another may be that
>>the
>>>>>landfill is EXACTLY the type of partnership that is
>>>>>necessary for the paddling community. The landfill
>>>>>understands they do have somewhat of a negative
>>>impact
>>>>>on the surrounding community and does what they can
>>>to
>>>>>give back to the community, whether the reasons are
>>>>>selfish or not.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is not the place to solve waste management
>>>>>issues, but whether the paddling community accepts
>>>>>sponsorship from a landfill or not will not affect
>>>the
>>>>>fact that the landfill is there...and is
>>>>>necessary...and is not going away under the current
>>>>>system as long as you keep putting trash on your
>>>curb.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>But, on the other hand, if we take a standoffish
>>>>>approach and make yet another enemy, then certain
>>>>>community improvements may not happen and guess
>>>>>what??? The landfill is still there and, most
>>>>>importantly, WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE A VOICE AT THE
>>>>>TABLE.
>>>>>
>>>>>Would you have more success getting your point
>>across
>>>>>to a partner? Or an enemy? Anyone treated like an
>>>>>enemy will certainly not listen to our
>>issues...which
>>>>>is why the landfill is a good to keep as a partner.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That does not mean we should not question or even
>>>>>challenge them if warranted...the key is how one
>>goes
>>>>>about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>If an organization has an event and some other
>>>>>>organization sponsors it,then that act of
>>>sponsorship
>>>>>>gives, at least, the appearance of an alliance
>>>>between
>>>>>>the two organizations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which is probably why you don't see hunting rifle
>>>>>>companies sponsoring PETA events. A paddling club
>&
>>>a
>>>>>>landfill seems just as unlikely of a partnership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But this is probably something best discussed at a
>>>>>>meeting. The internet is a great place to exchange
>>>>>>info, but a an absolutely awful place to have a
>>>>>>discussion about real issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't recall anyone stating they supported
>>>>>anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just for confirmation sake. There's a group that
>>>is
>>>>>>>>turning the entire stoneycreek watershed into a
>>>>dump
>>>>>>>>for New York/ New Jersey and we support them
>>>>because
>>>>>>>>they promise us rocks?
>>>>>>>>How well do you think those dumps will hold up
>at
>>>>>>full
>>>>>>>>capacity during a Johnstown flood?

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