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Subject: 上年申請的P-II有得拎未??
Author: 濟民	[ Next Thread \| Previous Thread \| Next Message \| Previous Message ] Date Posted: 22:20:28 04/27/03 Sun 就快一年了... [ Next Thread \| Previous Thread \| Next Message \| Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: 上年申請的P-II有得拎未??
Author: Ms J Tsang [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:43:30 04/27/03 Sun Your message is not clear. Please be specific. Otherwise, I cannot offer help even if I want to.

[> [> Subject: Re: 上年申請的P-II有得拎未??

Author:
濟民
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Date Posted: 00:06:34 04/28/03 Mon

>Your message is not clear. Please be specific.
>Otherwise, I cannot offer help even if I want to.
上年，黃Sir曾向我們提出有公司捐出一批P-II電腦，約有數十名同學提交表格申請，並已交回家長回條，早前曾有同學問及同樣問題，黃Sir的回覆為：正商討運輸問題，但到現在仍未有該批點腦的消息，所以在此再提出此問題。

[> [> [> Subject: Re: 上年申請的P-II有得拎未??

Author:
濟民
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Date Posted: 00:07:59 04/28/03 Mon

>>Your message is not clear. Please be specific.
>>Otherwise, I cannot offer help even if I want to.
>上年，黃Sir曾向我們提出有公司捐出一批P-II電腦，約有數十
>名同學提交表格申請，並已交回家長回條，早前曾有同學問及?>P樣問題，黃Sir的回覆為：正商討運輸問題，但到現在仍未有?>荍斳I腦的消息，所以在此再提出此問題。

[> Subject:

今次真係冇惡意........

Author:
人一個
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Date Posted: 15:27:45 04/28/03 Mon

我唔覺得Miss Tsang o既語氣有問題，可能係身份問題。
不過反過來如果呢段留言係由一個學生俾一個老師，都唔會有問題。
總好過可能有人會咁寫：「I don't know what are u talking about since you did not leave your message clearly. If you want me to help, you should write it more specific.」
如果我咁講：「Summer你收聲啦，乜都關你事，你唔好咁多野得唔得呀，你好煩呀。」以上文字既無人生攻擊，又無粗口，但你覺得如何？好受嗎？

不過有時做人過份執著最後只會令到自己辛苦，不如嘗試下對於一o的事件放下手，可能會有更好o既效果呢？

[> [> Subject: Let's us look at your 惡意 again

Author:
Summer
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Date Posted: 22:57:28 04/28/03 Mon

Let's appreciate again how 人一個 say his view on Single-eye Dragon:
睇完你o既留言之後，一個字形容我o既感覺，嘔！
睇完你o既留言之後，一個字形容我對你o既感覺，狗！
睇完你o既留言之後，一個字形容我對你o既忠告，走！
Can this kind of message made by a "normal and sensible" person? It contains no point at all. According to your criteria, what should be erased in this website is exactly this kind of message.

[> [> [> Subject:

Please reply with a suitable message, thank you!

Author:
人一個
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Date Posted: 09:49:32 04/29/03 Tue

I want to ask a question, is your reply suitable? Is it realated to my message?
According to your view, I think the webmaster should add one more rule, that is, 'all messages without points should not be allowed here. '
But how to identify a message here has point or not? I think Summer can help us, since he has excellent logic. And the most important is, his judgement always right, he has never been wrong.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Your two mistakes

Author:
Summer
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Date Posted: 00:09:32 04/30/03 Wed

Sorry, you made a mistake. Please read my previous messages: I never said messages without points should be erased. Please give proof if you want to accuse me.
Secondly, you made a mistake again. I said: "According to your criteria, what should be erased in this website is exactly this kind of message." because it is you who say that attitude is important, not me.
Please be rational, please.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject:

My two so-called mistakes

Author:
人一個
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Date Posted: 15:05:31 05/01/03 Thu

For the so-called first mistake, I just said that 'according to your view', but not 'as you said'.
Do you know what I mean? Let me make it more clear. I used 'according to your view' because the idea, 'messages without points should not be allowed here' should be made as a rule, is come from what you have said before. Of couse, this is my own idea, and you have never said it before.
For the so-called second mistake, I am not very sure what you mean. If you do not mind, would you please explain to me? Or you can just forget it.

And I want to add one more thing, but it is just my feeling, you can simply neglect it if you do not want to accept it.
I think you can try to reply on others' messages only, without adding some offensive words such as 'you made mistakes', 'you have no points', 'you are illogical', 'please be rational'. I and somebody else feel those words are uncomfotable.

[> [> [> Subject: summer的留言犯了人身攻擊的謬誤

Author:
7b7
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Date Posted: 12:14:55 04/29/03 Tue

"5. 人身攻擊謬誤（Argument against the person, Argumentum ad Hominem）

在辯論我們不是依理來攻擊別人的論証，而是轉而攻擊論者本身。這樣就是犯了人身攻擊謬誤。這類謬誤可分為兩種：

a.略去

b. Argumentum ad Hominem （circumstantial）

另一種人身攻擊的謬誤的著眼點是將某人的觀點或論証與其所處的環境及職位關聯起來，利用其所處之位來否定其言論。例子：在一次有關“狩獵是否道德”的爭論中，一個獵人被對手指責是殘害無辜動物的屠夫，獵人大怒，反唇相譏，說：「你憑什麼批評我，你不是天天在食無辜的牛豬的肉嗎？」"

from <思考與理性思考>p.91-120 by 葉保強、余錦波

如有興趣,可參考這個嶺南大學哲學系的網頁.http://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/critical.11.htm

summer犯了的正是 Argumentum ad Hominem （circumstantial）,他不是針對"人一個"留言的內容作出評論,相反他是以"人一個"先前的言論來判斷"人一個"的論點的真偽,這正正犯了人身攻擊的謬誤.

[> [> [> [> Subject: ???? and recommendation
Author: Summer [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:18:17 04/30/03 Wed Point out 人一個's message only scolds and has no point = 人身攻擊 ??????? <思考與理性思考>p.91-120 by 葉保強、余錦波 is a bad book of philosophy as pointed out by 李天命 who is the most famous philosopher in HK. If anyone want to find a better book, please read those written by 李天命.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re:有關李天命博士對"思考與理性思考"一書的批評
Author: Russell Fung [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:24:09 05/01/03 Thu 李博士在一九九四年四月號的明報週刊中發表了題為"特異思維研究報告"之文章﹐對葉保強博士和余錦波先生合著之"思考與理性思考"一書作過批評。

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re:Thank you very much Mr. Russell Fung
Author: Summer [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:26:11 05/01/03 Thu Thanks for providing me this piece of information.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: 應是明報月刊，不是明報週刊。
Author: 如題 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 05:55:47 05/02/03 Fri 如題

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: 謝謝
Author: Russell Fung [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:01:24 05/02/03 Fri >如題

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純感覺 !

Author:
肥魚
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Date Posted: 13:35:50 05/02/03 Fri

我覺得 Summer d 回覆似細路吵架
所以, 我覺得Summer 很有趣、很可愛
我很喜歡看 Summer 的留言

由於這只是個人感覺 , 所以我費事打 reasons and examples.
所以本留言表面上是無 point .
不過 , 我相信 , 和我有同感者，「大有人在」

如果你唔喜歡 Summer ga wa , 你可以暫時將個人榮辱放低 , 以外人的心態看 Summer, 你會發現 Summer 好可愛
再唔係等你成熟 d 再回顧 , 可能有一個會心微笑 !

[> Subject: Re: 上年申請的P-II有得拎未??
Author: 諷刺 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:05:40 04/28/03 Mon 一個俾人話佢英文差既人竟然夠膽公然教一位經驗豐富既英文老師英文?

[> Subject: I don't mean the English, I mean the attitude
Author: Summer [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:14:15 04/28/03 Mon Of course I respect Ms Tsang's English. I just want to demonstrate "atitude" is not a good rule because it is too subjective to say whether one's atitude is good enough from his or her writing.

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純綷個人見解

Author:
人一個
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Date Posted: 09:57:26 04/29/03 Tue

「發言時宜抱客觀和包容態度」你指呢句？
我諗堂主主要係想提醒我地，留言o個陣盡量要客觀o的，唔好淨係識用自己把尺去度人，要試下從多角度思考。
至於態度，之前都有人講過，就算你幾有point都好，你態度唔好人地都幾難接受你o既好point。
而且堂主係用左個「宜」字，所以可見都未算強硬，如果你照樣唔客觀，態度差，我諗問題都唔大，只不過你仍然係唔會受人歡迎o者。

[> Subject: Re: 上年申請的P-II有得拎未??
Author: 人 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:37:59 04/29/03 Tue then, 幾時有得拎......

[> [> Subject: Re: 上年申請的P-II有得拎未??
Author: 濟民 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:43:43 04/30/03 Wed >then, 幾時有得拎...... 首先，我無心挑起罵戰！然後，我出既post變左咁，但都係未有人答到我喎 ><

[> [> [> Subject: 冇人識答架啦，搵Summer答啦!
Author: Summer擁躉 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:10:50 04/30/03 Wed 如題

[> [> [> [> Subject: 係囉, Summer係神, 乜都識答
Author: Summer擁躉2 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:12:01 05/01/03 Thu 不過根據過往紀錄, Summer講野多數都係離題.

[> Subject: re: summer, 你已離題...請自重
Author: summer媽 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:47:07 05/02/03 Fri summer, 你已離題...請自重