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Date Posted: 03:39:18 07/11/08 Fri
Author: Cammie
Subject: John vs Todd

I can't understand the fasination with Todd and Blair.If I am a fan of Kassie and Blair and I want Blair with a man who respects her and listens to what she has to say.I think that man is John McBain.Todd bullies her and treats her like a possession.I've never seen him show her any respect.So why would any fan of hers want her with a man like that?John and Blair make a great team and they would be a great couple.

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[> I choose neither. Todd has crossed the line too much lately. As for John, Blair does too much simpering and acting OOC around him: "Whatever you think, John...I'll do it." That was surreal to hear her say that! -- Gina S., 04:32:33 07/11/08 Fri

She's just acts weird around John and it's as though she's not allowed to raise her voice above a whisper.

I wonder how John would feel about Blair if she didn't happen to agree with him all the time? I think I know. He'd be looking at her like she was an annoyance like he did in Chicago. No thank you.

Besides all that, where is the heat and passion between John and Blair? There is none. I am so bored when Blair is around John.

I agree about Todd though. He's a verbally and mentally abusive jerk.

Blair deserves better than John or Todd.

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[> I can't understand casting aspersions on any fan because you don't like what they like. -- Dandesun, 04:46:54 07/11/08 Fri

You like John/Blair. That's fine. That's what you like. I happen to be a Todd/Blair fan who doesn't want Todd/Blair together right now. I think they need a long break and I have no idea what would make me believe they can be together again.

But being a Todd/Blair fan doesn't mean I'm not a Blair fan any more than being a John/Blair fan does, or being a Spencer/Blair fan for that matter. Yeah, people liked Spencer/Blair and still loved Blair.

Like what you like, but if we're all Blair fans what the hell does it MATTER who we like her paired with?! Why do we need to give off the indication that if you still like Todd/Blair then you don't REALLY care about Blair.

I don't give a crap about 'wanting what Blair wants' or, for that matter, what Kassie wants because I didn't sign a stinking contract to blindly go along with the character or actress in all things. I have my own mind. Kassie is not me so it's a given that I'm not going to agree with her on everything. Blair is a soap character, which means that Blair is going to do idiotic things and say idiotic things and make all kinds of bad choices... generally, that's the fun of it.

I've always loved Todd/Blair BECAUSE they're so messed up. If I wanted to watch a healthy, honest, totally functional relationship... I sure as hell wouldn't be watching a soap opera!

I don't like John. I don't like John with Blair. I don't like John at all. That doesn't mean I hate Blair. I means I don't like this pairing of hers. There's no Blair Fan Law against that and it's really irritating to see 'As a Blair fan, I cannot support Todd/Blair because he's so mean.'

Well, as a Blair fan, I CAN support a Todd/Blair pairing because I LIKE THEM. That's all there is to it. Even if I don't see it happening for them now or for a good chunk of time, it doesn't mean that I'm not a Blair fan.

Personally, I think Blair needs to be alone and be reinvented because she really has very little stated purpose these days except to play a supporting role. Maybe, as a Blair fan, I'd like to see her character revitalized so she didn't have to be attached to a man to make people care.

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[> [> Re: I can't understand casting aspersions on any fan because you don't like what they like. -- Cammie, 04:51:17 07/11/08 Fri

That wasn't my intention and I'm sorry if you took it that way.I just want Blair to be with a man who treats her with respect and I just don't think that man is Todd.Again if what I posted offended anyone I apologize.

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[> I want Blair to entertain me!!! John and Blair are boring and contrived!! Todd and Blair are crazy and exciting. While I agree they need a break. I don't want to see Blair with John. I can deal with a friendship anything else is ZZZZZZZ. -- Heather, 06:16:27 07/11/08 Fri

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[> [> For me it's their 'friendship' that annoys the most and I really wish John would leave her alone LOL. -- Gina S., 07:11:04 07/11/08 Fri

but he won't because he thinks she's a damsel in distress right now and when he finds a damsel in MORE distress (*coughMARTYcough*), he'll drop Blair like a hot potato.

Recently I've loved Blair with the Cramer women, Delphina, yelling at Cole, punching out David. Even her scenes with Todd are good because she does not back down from him.

Then with John she seems to lose all sense of herself. She looks to him to help/guide/save her, and he loves it because women in need turn him on.

He's the last person on Earth I'd ever listen to because his life more than anyone's is a pathetic and mundane disaster. She confides everything to him and what does he tell her? Nothing at all, so what kind of friendship is it? I don't enjoy it at all.

I don't care what "kind" words he throws her way, Blair is too smart to be attracted to an energy-sucking dullard like John who only opens himself up once a year and I'm supposed to be amazed and thankful when he does.

I am going to launch a Save Blair from McBane campaign. JUST KIDDING!! :)

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[> [> [> Hey I said that I could deal with it, I didn't say I loved it!!! I am totally co-signing your post and I will be the first to sign up for that campaign!!! -- Heather, 08:10:19 07/11/08 Fri

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[> [> ITA!! Co-signing your co-sign. This twist is a snoozefest & I am ready for a return to T&B Magic!!! Lovin' and/or fighting---nobody does it better than Todd&Blair!! -- LH, 08:00:18 07/16/08 Wed

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[> Cammie, I too want Blair with a man who respects her, and sadly, Todd has not respected Blair in years. However, its hard to let go of a couple that you have invested so much time and energy over the years rooting for. I was into T&B for 12 long angst full years, but I am over the pairing thanks to Dena Higley's pen. John and Blair do have a great friendship, and I hope John is able to give Blair her self worth back, but at the same time, I do not want Blair to jump into bed with John just cause he shows her kindness. I am not ready for John&Blair romance yet. -- sparklebarbie, 09:46:33 07/11/08 Fri

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[> I've never seen John listen to what anyone wants to say, unless its what he wants to hear. I'm with Dande... none of the above. I'm very cool with Todd and Blair not being together, but that doesn't mean I'm going to hop on the John/Blair boat. If they want me on another Blair and whoever boat, they need to write Blair as the strong, fierce woman we all love her as, not some ooeygooey bimbo who needs a man to make her decisions for her. Frankly, I'd love it if Blair were helping Dorian run Cramer Enterprises. -- OTWB, 14:44:21 07/11/08 Fri

I hope this doesn't turn into one of those, "all the T&B'ers are being mean to me cuz..." threads. Frankly, its unbecoming and I'd love to think that Blair fans are better than that.

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[> [> I think that Blair has left the building. forever. -- DaJ, 15:01:07 07/11/08 Fri

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[> [> [> I feel the same way about Todd, DaJ. It makes me terribly sad. -- OTWB, 09:26:52 07/12/08 Sat

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[> [> I would love to Blair working at CE. Hell I'd love to see Dorian at CE -what happened to that storyline? Anyway I do NOT want Blair with John even as friends much less lovers, and I am far from a T&Ber. -- Gina S., 06:21:37 07/12/08 Sat

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[> I prefer to see Blair alone, making decision that affect her family, not blaming Todd or Cole for what happened. -- DaJ, 15:13:18 07/11/08 Fri

For once I would love to see Blair give Starr some advice. She could talk to both Starr and Cole about the baby and the situation. Blair could help Starr raise the child, itís not like they canít afford it. Starr can still go off to college; the baby can stay with the same person raising his/her uncles (Jack and Sam).

Blair has a nightclub and a magazine, she has plenty to do. She could be a force in Llanview. She also could help Dorian run CE. Thereís plenty stories for Blair without John.

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[> [> I agree, DaJ. How about Blair going off to find her father? John can stay in Llanview trying to re-win Marty's heart. We all know that's where he'll end up anyway. -- Cathy, 08:23:59 07/12/08 Sat

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[> I have to agree w/Dande. I'm still a T&Ber who DOESN"T want them together right now. Todd is sooooo out of control I'd rather see her alone. I've just always LOVED their chemistry together,their constant fughting is ATILL more exciting to me than anyone they've matched her up with. As far as her&John, friends MAYBE but nothing else & she does act all wimpy around him(re me of her w?Spens??) & John is way boring & troubled himself to care about anyone(except maybe Marty). -- Terry C, 10:17:46 07/12/08 Sat

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[> [> I'm with you, TerryC. Even if I did like John and Blair together, why on earth would I bother to invest anyway? It is a given that he'll end up with Marty. Also, at this point, why would I bother to invest in T&B either? They take years to reunite, and then the payoff lasts for only a few episodes. To me, soaps are about investments, and when there is never any payoff, that's difficult. -- Cathy, 15:01:24 07/12/08 Sat

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[> [> [> I am now & will always be a T&Ber. I always have been & always will be---I really don't see that ever changing for me. Todd & Blair truly love each other & belong together now & always. There really is NO doubt or debate about it for me. I know that T&B will find their way back together again, and in the meantime, I have NO desire to see Blair with anyone else--especially John. He is 1,000 times more damaged than Todd and only 1/10 the man Todd is. He would be an assembly line hump or a port in the storm at best & I want better for Blair. I want T&B and our Happy Manning Family--period!!! -- LH, 17:54:23 07/12/08 Sat

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[> [> [> [> Re: I am now & will always be a T&Ber. I always have been & always will be---I really don't see that ever changing for me. Todd & Blair truly love each other & belong together now & always. There really is NO doubt or debate about it for me. I know that T&B will find their way back together again, and in the meantime, I have NO desire to see Blair with anyone else--especially John. He is 1,000 times more damaged than Todd and only 1/10 the man Todd is. He would be an assembly line hump or a port in the storm at best & I want better for Blair. I want T&B and our Happy Manning Family--period!!! -- Shannon, 05:30:21 07/13/08 Sun

I agree that John is damaged, very damaged, but he is more of a man than Todd will ever be. Todd raped Marty, he took his own child and sold it or gave it away and made Blair (who he is supposed to love so much) think her baby was dead, he tried to kill Margaret knowing she was pregnant with his baby, therefore trying to kill his own child. He beats up on kids and hangs them on meat hooks, threatens them with knives and now he is keeping Marty and brainwashing her. He even told her she had no children. And John isn't 1/10 of the man he is? No, Todd isn't even a man, he's a psycho.

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[> [> [> [> [> You are certainly entitled to your POV; however, I do not share it. In my opinion, Todd is far more of a man & romantic prospect than McBain will ever be. At least Todd can reach a decision & pursue it full force. I doubt John could give you the time of day if held at gunpoint, much less make up his mind about anything!!! -- LH, 03:51:21 07/14/08 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> [> I really do not think there is any point to debating this cause no one is going to change their opinions no matter what, but just to throw my two cents. Both John and Todd are man-childs who have issues, but John is able to put aside his issues when his family and friends need him whereas Todd just can't think outside of the box. -- sparklebarbie, 06:25:34 07/14/08 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: I really do not think there is any point to debating this cause no one is going to change their opinions no matter what, but just to throw my two cents. Both John and Todd are man-childs who have issues, but John is able to put aside his issues when his family and friends need him whereas Todd just can't think outside of the box. -- Cammie, 05:36:31 07/15/08 Tue

For those of you who are interested,like me.Friday July 25th:John and Blair share a KISS.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Then, Blair will go home & dream about Todd. The T&B Rollercoaster Ride is swinging into action again. Buckle your seatbelts!! -- LH, 06:14:41 07/15/08 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> No thanks. I'm not up for another bout of motion sickness so soon after I just recovered from the last. I see the SOW mailbag section agrees. Folks say they are glad T&B are divorced and they hope there are NO MORE RECONCILATIONS. At this point, I'm inclined to agree. Let it die for good since it's been so pounded into the ground. Separate these characters and give them no more scenes or storylines together. -- Cathy, 11:57:44 07/19/08 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Sounds to me like a few still bitter Tangies came out of the woodwork & sent a chain letter to SOW. No Worries, T&B will rise again & I cannot wait!!! -- LH, 14:28:47 07/19/08 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> LOL!! A chain letter to SOW! That's good, LH. Thanks for giving me a much needed laugh. ;) -- Cathy, 16:42:26 07/19/08 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Glad to bring a bit of levity your way, Cathy. Hey, those chain letters can be dangerous things--bad luck, curses, etc. The bitter ones best watch their backs now...LOL!!! -- LH, 19:12:57 07/20/08 Sun

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> July 25th & 28th: More Must-Miss TV for me. But, I will be tuning in to see Todd's reaction during that week. Let the T&B Games begin--AGAIN!!! -- LH, 17:23:05 07/21/08 Mon

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[> [> Hey TerryC, for once in a 1000 yrs. I agree, I don't want T&B together either, but because of Blair not Todd. She seem to blame Todd for everything, some of this mess is her fault. -- DaJ, 14:58:32 07/15/08 Tue

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[> [> [> We NEED T&B back ASAP!! The show sucks without them. I'm back to strictly taping & not even bothering to watch live since Todd goaded Blair into signing the divorce papers. I figure what's the point of watching live right now without my T&B MAGIC on-screen?!!! They are my OLTL Lifeline!! -- LH, 18:00:20 07/15/08 Tue

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[> [> [> [> Ah... no. I disagree and I'm a huge T&B fan (ask anyone) but I don't think putting them back together ASAP is the solution. Not by a long shot. -- Dandesun, 19:12:40 07/15/08 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> Maybe not a full-on reunion right away, but we do need more T&B interaction/airtime ASAP. The lack of T&B airtime is very noticeable & the show is suffering because of it. The show lacks an essential/core element sans T&B interactions/airtime. -- LH, 19:47:44 07/15/08 Tue

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[> I think, given the way Todd has been behaving.... it is better for Blair to be away and re-evaluate her life. Todd will always be in her life... because Todd id Todd. I don't know how long Blair will find comfort in John... but it sure makes me want to read the next script to see how it all is going to play out. -- Kassie DePaiva, 03:22:14 07/17/08 Thu

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[> [> Me Too! -- tonya, 04:18:27 07/17/08 Thu

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[> [> I do see your point of view, Kassie. However, I know T&B will win out & find their way back together. The pairing is GOLD & makes the whole show for so many of us!!! -- LH, 04:19:06 07/17/08 Thu

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[> [> Given the way Blair is acting- I don't want Todd anywhere near her. Todd is acting like Todd- at least I can watch those scenes. Blair is just so boring lately. John is sucking the life out of Blair!!! -- Heather (bored with McBlair), 04:49:47 07/17/08 Thu

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[> [> [> ICAM, Heather!!! This is NOT Blair on our screens right now. It reminds me of Pod Blair during that SpenSUCK fiasco. I want REAL Blair back!!! And, we get REAL Blair w/Todd. They are the perfect match in EVERY way!!! -- LH, 19:53:26 07/17/08 Thu

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[> [> So much word, Kass. I am glad that Blair has finally seen the light in terms of her relationship with Todd. She knows she has to deal with him for the kids, but she also knows she does not need him. I enjoy Blair&John's friendship because Carlivati is taking his time with it, and I can not wait to see what develops. Keep up the great work, Kassie. You are kicking serious ass!! -- sparklebarbie, 04:56:18 07/17/08 Thu

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[> [> [> LOL....Riiiight. Which is why Blair has been so broken up over divorcing Todd again?!!! The countdown to our next T&B Reunion has already began!! -- LH, 20:27:15 07/17/08 Thu

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[> [> [> [> Believe what you want, LH, god knows I do, and if you have to believe that T&B reunion is around the corner, then go for it, but please don't imply your opinion is right and my is wrong. these are opinions not facts, and that's why this is an endless argument because you can not disprove someone's beliefs or opinions. you do not like someone's opinion, then respectfully disagree, but do not knock them down as wrong because they do not agree with you. Thanks. -- sparklebarbie, 07:21:13 07/18/08 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> And, the same can be said for you, Lucy. I don't like this twist for MANY reasons and it's not all about me being a T&B fan. I don't like John & never have and I have ZERO interest in his love life. He's the most uncouth, hygenically-challenged character I think I've EVER since in Daytime!!! I live in NY & I've seen real-life homeless persons with better grooming habits than McBain has. I am absolutely serious. I have NO interest in seeing Blair degrated this way. It makes the character look AWFUL!!! -- LH, 16:38:08 07/18/08 Fri

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[> [> I don't think Todd should be in Blair's life anymore. After the last stake driven through the heart of this couple and another endless re-run of the same old storyline, I absolutely think Todd and Blair should have NO MORE SCENES TOGETHER. Ever. They should each go their own separate ways and see what stories they find, and they should NOT interact at ALL for ANY reason. I think that's best for everyone. -- Cathy, 04:52:06 07/18/08 Fri

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[> [> [> You know that's never going to happen, Cathy. Too many fans are invested in T&B and tune in to see what will happen next with them. They are OLTL's Undying, Unending Love Story....The TRUE Supercouple & family!!! Without T&B interactions, many fans would just walk away from OLTL entirely. TPTB know it & will never risk it. Thus, our T&B Rollercoaster Ride continues. It's not always easy, but it's always thrilling because it's T&B!!! No other pairing compares!! -- LH, 16:31:50 07/18/08 Fri

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[> [> [> [> Yeah LH, I *do* know that that's never gonna happen. I know that because I know they'll tell the same story over again - the same one I've been watching for years and the same one I just watched recently with Spencer and with Cristian. As far as being curious about how it's all gonna play out, I'm not the least bit curious. I already know how it's gonna play out. It's like watching a re-run. I already predicted John/Blair sex, now let's see what'll happen next once Todd finds out about that. Hmm. Todd will throw a public fit and scream and attack John? Call Blair names? -- Cathy, 11:24:58 07/19/08 Sat

Gee, this is all so hard to figure out!

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[> [> [> [> [> Yeah, but it is distinctly T&B and they are a way of life. Plus, Todd will find out about the Blair/John romp immediately. Can you say T&B Angst!! It's just so clear who the victors will be. GO T&B, GO MANNINGS!!! -- LH, 14:32:14 07/19/08 Sat

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[> [> I agree Kassie it is better for you to be away from Todd and putting your live back on track.i am looking forward in seening how far the relationship will go with you and John,But it don;t matter to me who you are with as long as you are happy and have a huge Storyline.that is my main concern.love and miss you Kassie -- shelia, 12:12:50 07/18/08 Fri

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[> [> [> T&B are lost without each other. They need each other. I am not interested in more T&B placeholders or geometry for them. It's been done to death!!! It's time to re-focus on the T&B Love Story & Manning Family once again. -- LH, 16:21:26 07/19/08 Sat

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