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Date Posted: 01:38:18 06/08/04 Tue
In reply to:
Vince
's message, "You Need to Read This Donald..." on 11:54:08 06/07/04 Mon
Can i ask donald about this please?
In the post to yoi and about you it is said:
>
>Is it not true that as well as believing the Kingdom
>Hall meetings are “boring” that you also said that
>“they could be made more interesting.”?
>
>You said you would rather sit in the sun with a book
>than attend your own district conventions.
>
>You have no problem posting on a message board with
>ex-JWs on it even though you know that the Watchtower
>forbids this.
>
>You have no problem being labeled “an apostate”
>yourself, if people want to use that term of you. Yet
>you arrogantly persist in dismissing others with the
>same word!
>
>That you do not agree with all of the Watchtower’s
>present teachings, and think that they are wrong in
>some areas.
>
>That you think that “many” of the Watchtower’s
>interpretations of end time prophesy will need to be
>changed, and is “highly provisional”.
>
>That you believe that much of the Watchtower’s
>teachings on the last few chapters of Daniel will need
>to be revised.
>
>That you believe that the Watchtower Society is wrong
>about the 144,000 being a literal number. Instead, you
>believe that this number is symbolic of a group of
>people who are numberless.
>
>You think that it is “ludicrous” to use the expression
>"little flock" in John 12 in support of the doctrine
>of the 144 000 (this also directly contradicts an
>email you sent me after making this statement where
>you claimed otherwise). You also call this teaching
>“untenable”. Additionally, you have stated that the
>accounts in Acts and history strongly suggests that
>there were far more than 144, 000 Christians in the
>first century.
>
>Now bear in mind that none of these things you said
>under the pseudonym “Ruler of the World” was said in
>secret. You said all of this, publicly on the Reachout
>board and admitted that it was you, so I am not
>breaking confidence here. In fact, many who still post
>there remember all this quite well and others have
>also kept what was said.
>
>Angry at me for reminding you of these things? To
>quote a sentence from your last post: “I have said
>nothing that is not true”. Have I said anything that
>is not true of you here? No. However, when you applied
>that statement to me, you had said things that were
>not true (as I have shown in this post). Also, you
>broke confidence from a phone call. Nevertheless, I
>will spare you by keeping the phone conversations we
>have had as confidential and other details.
>
>As far I am concerned Donald, we have nothing more to
>say unless I get an apology from you for trying to
>drag me into the mud.
>
>A conversation on Harry Potter may have been
>interesting with you. But you took offence at my ivory
>tower phrase (again, not even aimed at you), and then
>began to mock me on my own forum, break confidence,
>and say things about the research on my site that is
>totally false. Even so I was willing to apologize to
>you on their behalf (!!???). Now you maintain that you
>have done nothing wrong, and tell me that no apology
>is forthcoming?
>
>Please feel free to contact me when you are being true
>to yourself and when you need people when the
>Watchtower let you down (they will). Let’s have ROTW
>back again. It seemed that when you were on the
>Reachout board under this name we saw a fresh honesty
>and sincerity- the real Donald if you will. Not the
>Watchtower apologist that robotically feels they have
>to defend an organization that cares little for you.
>It was only when you had to admit it was you that you
>eventually seemed to slip back into the old slavish WT
>apologist mode again. Possibly the word Myopia is
>appropriate here?
>
>I am willing to forgive and forget this whole
>unfortunate episode on my board here Donald. But I
>doubt you are presently willing to hear such a thing
>anyway. So until a future time, until a brighter day,
>Donald – goodbye.
>
>Have the last word here if you want. You always have
>to have it anyway – have it, as long as you do not
>break the forums rules, which you have already done so
>really (see forum rules above). People can be booted
>off for less, their posts deleted, and ISP banned. I
>will thank you not to phone me or email me in the
>meantime.
I am confused. I thought Jws had to agree with everything that the watchtower taufgth. I know this has been so of those i have talke d with in the past. Is the watchtower being less strict now and letting Jws express themselves as individuals more?. R U alone in these views donald or are they personal to you and do you discuss them with your Jw friends?
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