Subject:  Welcome back, now - here's where you're wrong. |
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Rob Dog Bastard
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Date Posted: 07:32:19 06/13/04 Sun
In reply to:
Ray
's message, "The future of our great nation" on 04:22:49 06/13/04 Sun
Well Ray, welcome back. Unfortunately you didn't grow any brain cells while you were out, so allow me to correct you on a few things. Well - not a few things - everything you said.
First off, I never said society WILL self-destruct, I said that societies always trend towards self-destruction. These are two VERY different things (remember your calculus). Let me go into a bit more detail for you - see if you can follow along:
In order for a society to function properly there is a great deal of cooperation required amongst it's members (this is why communism was such a good idea on paper). Contrary to this need for communalism, the human animal is naturally very self-serving and most often works towards it's own ends at best with a nod towards others here and there. This is okay in small, primitive communities - tribes and clans - where the non-cooperative are easily identified and corrected or ousted. In larger communities such as we see today this conflict between the need for community cooperation and individual greed is tempered primarily with two control mechanisms: church and state (some folks like to throw money in there as a third, I include money with state).
Historically, the great societies have been blessed with a great deal of community participation throughout their early stages. This is the "American Spirit" we always hear about and each succeeding generation can't seem to identify with. However soon enough the need for individual glory take over, and the discontent nearly always starts at the bottom. The poor have an understandably difficult time dealing with the problems of community when they are starving. I don't have time to discuss it here, but this discontent is like a plague and it spreads - read about societal evolution (I recommend Nonzero by Robert Wright) for more details - up through the ranks of the afflicted society. Eventually it reaches the control mechanisms (church and state) and - NO the society does not self-destruct - but it is forced to reinvent itself. A good example is the rise of populism as the US emerged from the great depression. That was quite revolutionary in those times, but now would simply be regarded as liberalism.
Just as there is a great deal of community pleasantry at a societies inception, there is a lesser deal of good communalism after a "revolution" within the control mechansism. This floats the boat, as it were, for a little while until the process repeats. This is a trend towards self-destruction as the time it takes for discontent to spread becomes less and less (note: people blaming Bush for the economy when it began to fail before he took office), and more importantly, the time a given control structure is allowed to stay in place (stability is key).
For your second point, I don't even know what to say. The economy is working wonders as we speak. Pick up a copy of the Wall Street Journal and read it. Heck, go to CNN and read the business section. Anybody (Kerry) who attacks the economy now is an idiot, and should be exposed as such.
Now as for your attacks on conservatives - you are still commiting the primary fallacy of calling Bush and Company conservatives. They are not conservatives - they are moderate Republicans who have isolated much of the true conservative community. If you can't even see that then how can you expect us to pay heed to the rest of your malformed political ramblings????
So, you got three thing right, buddy:
1) Rob-bashing is okay.
2) Mark Twain did say that thing about history.
3) Astro-Lamb is the greatest badn to ever live.
Congrats, you are "trending" towards accuracy (usually you are ALL wrong!)
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