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Date Posted: 22:30:00 04/14/03 Mon
Author: «șTone Caponeș»
Author Host/IP: 1Cust89.tnt2.coos-bay.or.da.uu.net / 67.227.171.89
Subject: Re: The point i raised was
In reply to: Gwydion 's message, "Re: The point i raised was" on 22:05:50 04/14/03 Mon

>>Most murders in the states caused by guns would be
>>caused by an illegal gun not one bought in a shop
>>using ones own name... correct?
>
>I suppose this is just nit-picking, but committed with
>guns, not caused by guns.

Um, I think he is backing up the point that making guns illegal won't prevent criminals from getting guns.

>>Eom replied saying that there is already too many
>>people locked up in the states. Well shit, if you cant
>>lock any more people up and you still have gang/gun
>>problems then what can you do?
>
>The easy solution is to make narcotics legal. Most
>incarcerated criminals are guilty of drug crimes.

I agree there. Make them legal, tax them, regulate them by the FDA, and enforce laws similar to alcohol laws (driving after use, age to buy, etc...) and you not only empty the prisons of these people, you probably drive down the price, get rid of drug wars and drug related violence (a lesson we learned with the mobs during prohibition).

>>Dammitboy, its not really a matter of what you teach
>>your kids.
>>
>>My parents taught me to cross the road safely looking
>>both ways. They told me not to do drugs, to drink
>>safely, not to smoke cigarettes, to do my homework
>>etc... etc... and i disobeyed most of those didn't i.
>
>I think you probably took more from these than you
>believe.

It has to do with many things, the environment in which you raise your kids in especially. If I tell my kids that drugs are bad, then get drunk in front of them, I'm not setting a good example. If I tell them not to smoke, then light of a cigarette, same bad example. Where'd you pick up your habits grim? Maybe your parents should have been more involved with your social life (keeping an eye on the friends you chose), maybe they were tellnig you one thing but setting a bad example...

>>Besides im sure all the rapists and murderer's in
>>society where once told by their parents that guns and
>>murderers and rapists were bad and wrong.
>
>How do you know that? What about kids that grow up
>with gangs, and in crack houses?

This comes back to the environment. Sort of like the point Kharn tried to make about exposure to guns making people violent, the *big* difference here is that guns are inanimate objects that can't influence a person one way or another, while people can influence the actions of others.

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