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Date Posted: 18:14:29 04/10/03 Thu
Author: KSMoTO
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 62.139.24.82
Subject: i'm picking...hmmm 1A......
In reply to: Khronos 's message, "Well if that's the case..." on 10:34:09 04/10/03 Thu

>then it's no big deal, but the story certainly
>portrays the incident very differently than you
>describe?
>
>I've noticed that about you KSM. You seem to
>understate and counter the reports we hear in the West
>concerning Islam and the Middle East. Now that leads
>to several possibilities...
>
>1st Possibility) You are correct in your assessment of
>life in the Middle East.

i believe so..at least to the limit of my knowledge..

>After all you live there so obviously you have to see
>it first hand. This lends credence to what you say.

ok

>1-A) Which leads to the question of why are we in the
>West being subjected to what has to be misinformation
>concerning life in the Middle East?
>
>Well we could assume it is the Jewish controlled media
>wanting to promote a single-minded opinion of the
>Middle East in general and Islam in particular. This
>would further their goals of maintaining US support
>for them both financially and militarily.

thats an assumption that could have a big chunk of right to it..

>2nd Possibility) You're full of shit.
>
>The situation in the Middle East is in fact as we see
>it on TV and in the media and you want to convince us
>otherwise for some reason known only to yourself.
>Perhaps you feel ashamed that Islam and the Middle
>East exist like they do and you want to promote a more
>open minded view of your region of the world?

i don't do that...if something IS shitty about Egypt or the islamic world i'd say it is..however..i always go back to saying that the way it should be in islam is good and right..
we're just not exactly doing it the islamic way..
the thing about islam is...it's not just a religion that was sent for people to worship God...islam devised a whole system for life and society..i mean..ask me about anything in life..you'd find that islam has dealt with it..either in Qur'an or through Mohammed...thats why islam is a full religion...if you'd care to ask about ANYTHING really go ahead...

>2-A) Visions of the Iraqi minister of information come
>to mind.

that guys fucked up and everyone knows it..

>3rd Possibility) The reality is somewhere in between
>these two opposites.
>
>This possibility seems to me to be the most likely.
>The propaganda we are subjected to in the West
>regarding Islam is "spun" so that the negative is
>emphasized and the positive is rarely heard or is kept
>very low key. Yet at the same time interests in the
>Middle East also want to promote themselves as a
>modern and forward looking region that is viable
>economically and worthy of consideration for foreign
>investment. This means we have to weigh both sides of
>this issue and try to divine a happy medium where
>neither extreme is given our complete acceptance.

well...i'd be lying to you if i say that the Midlle East is a great place and so...but the things you gus seem to get are wayyyy off sometimes..(actually most of the time)..
so i have to put things in prespectiove for you..
we are not that great...Islam IS however...if we'd stick to it..we'd have been the finest nation on earth...and i mean economically, socially and whateverly..

>So a few questions...
>
>The web site that I posted the link to the story about
>the singer appeared to be a pro-Islam Middle Eastern
>news outlet. Is this the case? If it is then they in
>fact are promoting the view espoused in the story, a
>view that to me appears to have frightening
>implications (morality/thought police with the
>approval/backing of the state).

Saudi Arabia does have that system don't get me wrong...they have whats called "Motawea" guys who walk in busy markets and tell people to do the right things...if someone is doing anything thats wrong (ex beating someone, harrasing someone etc..)..their obligation is to ask them to correct that..they did at one time walk with policemen and arrest some people...but that was in extreme cases and is pretty much gone now..i however don't think that system is right and i think it's pretty extremist ofcourse..

>Is this web site a
>source with an extremist slant on issues?

i wouldn't know..if it's Saudi it might be..

>You are a
>Muslim and promote what appears to be a
>conservative-religious value system, but you also
>respect differing beliefs and cultures
>(non-extremist). This runs counter to the story I
>linked to. Is this a news outlet of an extreme
>nature? Are you what could be considered a "liberal"
>Muslim? How does this all reflect upon the Middle
>East, Islam, and the "Western" world that wishes to
>peacefully coexist and go forward in a more equitable
>economic relationship that hopefully has a bit more
>respect for everyone involved?

i wouldn't call myself Liberal...i just am a moderate Muslim....(thats the majority of Muslim Egyptian (probably because we live amongst christians and have learned to be thier brothers and sisters..other countries such as Saudi Arabia don't)..also..the values of Islam strictly imply tolerance to all other religions and races...i said this to Tone back on Ro...if you wish to examine the history of Islam
you'd be amazed at how they dealt with the countries they would conquer..they would offer them Islam...by showing them how Muslim's behave and treat their enemies...if you do not agree to become a muslim...you are free to practice your religion and that made them REAL liberators instead of conquerors (the refrence to the U.S. is intended)...you can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar, right?
that was their philosophy..
also back to the economical part...Islam also deals with that on several occasions..so if you were a little more specific i'd answer you..

>*This is a serious query meant to give everyone
>involved a say on issues that are of great importance
>to the world today. The "full of shit" reference
>wasn't intended as disrespect for the parties
>involved, rather it is a convention of this particualr
>environment*

no disrespect taken...and i seriously believe you are one of the most mature and rational people i've met on the AOF or TO
it's been really a plaesure talking to you..

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